manditory flocked bases?

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**Mannahnin**

If I may quote my wife?s grandmother: ?If you want to do something, you will find the time. If you don?t want to do something, you will find an excuse.?

**Frazzled**

Posted By Mannahnin on 12/04/2006 5:00 AM
If I may quote my wife’s grandmother: “If you want to do something, you will find the time. If you don’t want to do something, you will find an excuse.”

I don't want to do it. I can't stand flocked bases for my own minis, except for heavy weapons bases or special pieces. I've given up and paint them solid green.

**Banesword**

When I played at the local GW store, any unit that had models unpainted/unflocked lost D6 models before turn 1.

All my models are flocked.

**TroyBrun**

Back when I ran a HC, I tried a new pilot program. Anyone who had unpainted models was allowed to set up their army on the table for a game. I then came out of the back room with a 2x4 and smashed said unpainted models to bits and then yelled 'free bitz'; and the feeding frenzy ensued.

Pity that program didn't last long . . .

**TroyBrun**

Posted By Mannahnin on 12/04/2006 5:00 AM
If I may quote my wife’s grandmother: “If you want to do something, you will find the time. If you don’t want to do something, you will find an excuse.”

Granny is very wise. Is she Chineese? Because you all know that true wisdom can only come from the mouths of old Chineese people.

**Frazzled**

Something tells me you didn't do that.

**GrimTeef**

It is really more enjoyable playing against a painted army, but I know that life just gets in the way of doing these things, and I won't begrudge someone a game because they have other things they need to do.

As far as basing goes, I can see the reason for not doing it. The Rackham models don't have it done and it looks good. Black is the color that 'disappears' to the eye, so leaving your base black would possibly help when playing on different terrain types. I could see a warm grey base providing the same function.

If you don't like flocked bases, you could do them up to look like plain concrete cityfight bases. Scribe in some cracks or separations, paint light grey, wash with dark grey, quick drybrush with original light grey. Simple, looks like concrete, job's done.

You could paint blast burns on there, cut brass tubing for sell casings, throw some bits or plasticard detritus down as shrapnel. There's a lot you can do without using flock, sand, or static grass.

**rryannn**

I remember my first snot green/flocked base. lol. the good ole' days. Now I've based my army with RR ballast and like it alot more. I don't mind playing against and unpainted/unbased army for a fun game, but in a tournie setting, I'd expect everything to be at a higher level.

**Mannahnin**

Posted By jfrazell on 12/04/2006 5:06 AM

Posted By Mannahnin on 12/04/2006 5:00 AM
If I may quote my wife’s grandmother: “If you want to do something, you will find the time. If you don’t want to do something, you will find an excuse.”

I don't want to do it. I can't stand flocked bases for my own minis, except for heavy weapons bases or special pieces. I've given up and paint them solid green.

It's so damn easy, though. Water down some Elmer's white glue, paint it onto the base with a cheap brush, dip the fig in a small tub of sand/ballast. Wait until it dries, darken the sand with some brown ink, wait for drying again, and drybrush a lighter color. Wait until it dries, put a small puddle or two of glue in patches on the base, and throw a little static grass on. Turn the model upside down over your static grass container and tap the bottom of the base a few times to get rid of the loose strands.

Tell you what- if you're ever in New Hampshire (or Boston, for that matter), bring your army and drop me a PM. I'll base your whole army in an evening while shooting the bull with you; you just provide a six pack.

**beef**

Thats what I am talkin about. The store that made unpainted units lose d6 models. who the hell gives them the rights to do thats? Its not a GW policy its a storte policy. F it, complain to head office and see the jerks get sacked. Its soooo easy. why should I base my models if I dont want to?? before they were considered based if they had a lick of goblin green, now they need to be flocked/sanded etc. Soon they will need to have that new resin crap stuff they sell with bits of masonry (from the cities of death) Cant you see where rthis is going?
STOP THE MADNESS BEFORE ITS TO LATE.

**Frazzled**

Ayah, it would have to be margaritas though

**budro**

I perfer playing against and with painted/based minis. The local league I play with is comprised almost solely of long time players with multiple armies in many cases, all with very well done table-top (and better) standards of painting. However, no one there gets miffed if someone is starting a new army and the first game they play with it nothing is painted, the next game one unit is painted, ect. What matters is that the are progressing with it - eventually it will be done fully.

I don't usually enjoy games against players that never paint their armies - in my experience these players are often not fun for me to play against. Just a personal thing.

And for the record - all my minis for 40K are based with unpainted sand with a tin bitz rim. WHFB minis are based with a mix of sand and green flock (watered down glue on some ares, dip in sand, let dry, glue on rest of area and parts of the sand, dip in flock) which provides for a nice mixture on the base.

**fellblade**

When I played at the local GW store, any unit that had models unpainted/unflocked lost D6 models before turn 1.

There is a similar rule in effect at any RTT hosted by my FLGS. You can use any unpainted miniature you want... but your opponent may, at any time, remove any of your unpainted miniatures from the table, and he may do this as often as he wants.

This is fun. You are playing a 12-year-old who has had his army for two months... do you really want to act like a jerk and pull his Land Raider off the table at the end of turn 1? Then there's the poor loser who can't get a friendly game anymore and enters RTTs so we have to play with him. Of course his unpainted Necron Lord will be coming off the board ASAP.

**Frazzled**

Wow the OCD factor is pretty high here.

-flocked bases are ok if you like that.
-painted bases are ok.

I don't the attitude about bases. its not an effort thing, I just personally don't like flocking on bases. I want to focus on the mini not the base.

**bigchris1313**

Posted By beef on 12/05/2006 3:01 AM
Thats what I am talkin about. The store that made unpainted units lose d6 models. who the hell gives them the rights to do thats?

It's their store. You're not paying to play there. They make the rules. And in the case of GW stores, the stores, or at least the regional managers, get to make the call on how to handle people with unpainted/unbased/whatever models. You don't have rights.

**beef**

Actually your wrong. I am talking about the GW stores, not the independent retailers. For the independent retailer they can do what they want. ASA for GW stores they cant. They can refuse to let peole play during opening hours but then they never let peole play then anyway as they are focusing on there main cash cows (the kids) and busy doin intro games. So the only time you get to play is after hours and on Vets nights. Then they have NO right to refuse to let you play or remove models that are unpainted. Ring up GW head office and ask them if you want. They will not say they do that as its bad publicity. Yes the store manager can be a C'nt and do that but then you can always get him sacked or tranfered. My local store has had over 7 managers, of which all have been transfered and 2 were sacked. Dont even get me on how many staff have been sacked over the years. The reason I know this is I have quite a few links with my local stores through my brother who worked there and various friends who have worked there over the years. I do know what I am talking about. Yes tournies are diff as one of the prerequesits is a painted army with atleast 3 colours.

I am mainly addressing the GW stores. the rest can do as they please

**Frazzled**

We’re on the same side Beef but you’re incorrect. Barring an agreement between you and the store they have every legal right to deny your play there. Absent something tangential like discrimination (sorry no statute protecting drunken space Vikings yet) they can kick your furry bootey out for the slightest of causes-an amazing amount of fleas in the store, dragging in deer carcasses as a “snack” during the game, you would be amazed at what they’ll kick you out for J

Now as a business practice the argument is they want painted minis to better sell store products. Fair enough. But you also immediately lose MY business if you do that. As no one gave me these 5-6 armies I have laying about that would amount to a revenue decline.

**bigchris1313** · Posted By beef on 12/05/2006 1:36 PM Actually your wrong. Sigged.

Posted By beef on 12/05/2006 1:36 PM

Actually your wrong.

Sigged.

**beef**

Ok so I spoke to head office and they said for most GW stores the models need to be undercoated atleast. some stores require 3 colours atleast. BUT none require them to be flocked or based properly. Also they wont Not let you play if the army is not painted especially if you just bought it however if you turn up week in week out with the same unpainted figure they will stop you. Fair enough

Bring on the prepainted mini. Not for me as All my models are painted. LOOK, this BA army won best painted at a tournie in May and the pre herasy World eater army won the same prize in Oct

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/balib2.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/IM001467a.jpg

**beef**

as you can see all my mini are based and flocked etc.

Wow I have been sigged. Its an honour

**Frazzled**

You stole my guys with wings idea you son of a...

**Gaaargh**

Posted By beef on 12/06/2006 3:03 AM

Ok so I spoke to head office and they said for most GW stores the models need to be undercoated atleast. some stores require 3 colours atleast. BUT none require them to be flocked or based properly. Also they wont Not let you play if the army is not painted especially if you just bought it however if you turn up week in week out with the same unpainted figure they will stop you. Fair enough

Bring on the prepainted mini. Not for me as All my models are painted. LOOK, this BA army won best painted at a tournie in May and the pre herasy World eater army won the same prize in Oct

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/balib2.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/IM001467a.jpg

Hey Meatball, Nice job!

I really dig those paintjobs. Do you have more pics?

**beef**

@ jfrazel sorry bout the wings idea but it so cliche with BA. you just gota have atleast one charactor with wings in the army

here you go, and yes that is the Hulk in the pre heresy army , you might even see wolverine in the Ba army. look closely he is in the 8th picture right in the middle with the assualt squad (without jumpacks.)

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/wedef3.jpg

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**Samwise158**

   Perhaps Right is too strong a word, but deserve isn't. Assuming that the kid with parental disposable income and the guy who doesn't paint his stuff are customers of the store, there isn't a good reason why they shouldn't be able to play there (Tournaments exempted).   Game stores need a community of gamers to make money from GW products. Kids and Slackers are a part of that community. They may be lower on the food chain and they may be annoying, but they still add to the environment. Most of the strong 40k groups I've been a part of have a regular meeting time and are open to new people. Taking part in a good campaign or playing against someone with a cool army is what gets people excited enough to paint their armies and stick with the hobby. If someone doesn't have the attention span to paint their figs they usually drift on to more accessible hobbies like collectable cards or video games. In this respect, the hobby is somewhat self selecting.
   I've seen stores with gobs of excellent terrain and plenty of table space but a non-existent miniatures community. When I talk to the staff about it there is usually a story about some power-gaming/rules-laywering guy who pissed everyone off or else one of the managers is on a power trip and has a list of overbearing rules that you must follow in his store. What bothers me about the second situation is that people go to a games store to play games with friends and like-minded hobbyists. If I take the time to organize a game, patronize the store, and obey the normal rules of human conduct something as stupid as whether or not I have sand glued to my bases shouldn't be anybody's concern.
   Usually there is a small group of enthusiastic gamers that generate interest (a.k.a. profit for the store) and attract new players to the hobby. If those new players are penalized and subjected to minor humiliations (ex. someone having the gall to interrupt the game and remove your model because you happen to be on their turf) to spur them into painting faster, it will more likely cause them to quit playing.
   Like Beef said, some players are into playing and not painting. Some of my favorite opponents play routinely with unpainted armies. I've also played against major #$@&% with beautifully painted armies. "A game is a contract between two people to have fun." Why have gaming tables at all if you won't let people use them? If the play isn't part of a tournament and the person's army is WYSIWYG, I can't see any reason to get in a huff about it. Is this really that much of a problem that people should be treated disrespectfully?

"A customer is the most important visitor on our premises. He is not dependent on us. We are dependent on him. He is not an interruption of our work. He is the purpose of it. He is not an outsider to our business. He is part of it. We are not doing him a favour by serving him. He is doing us a favour by giving us the opportunity to do so." -Mahatma Ghandi

**Dave47**

I’m getting into this thread much too late, but I still think this anecdote is worth relating:

For the longest time, I panted my miniatures to a high standard, but I didn’t flock them. I did this partially because I was dreaming of one day building a custom table and basing them all to match, but mostly because of a combination of laziness and fear of trying new procedures. But one day, I decided to take the plunge. It took about 90 minutes to flock my entire army, and the materials cost about $5 total.

I cannot believe how much better my miniatures looked. Even on the “wrong” tables, they looked good. Plus, I realized people were much more likely to take the time to go for a “close in look” at flocked models. My #1 piece of painting advice: flock your miniatures. It’s the best thing you can do for them in sixty seconds.

**beef**

@ jfrazel sorry bout the wings idea but it so cliche with BA. you just gota have atleast one charactor with wings in the army

@ Samise you are SO correct

@waarg here you go, and yes that is the Hulk in the pre heresy army , you might even see wolverine in the Ba army. look closely he is in the 11th picture right in the middle with the assualt squad (without jumpacks.)

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/wedef3.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/wedef2.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/wedef.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g320/vittorio_13/baterm.jpg
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