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MemphisMark
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I remember a guy on eBay who bragged that he used novelty dice (as opposed to loaded) to win several RTT's, and had the howling griffons to prove it.

His dice weren't weighted, but rather had two sixes and no ones.

I haven't seen him in a couple of years though. Probably chased off eBay and out of the RTT circuit.

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Balance wrote:
Grignard wrote:Interesting. I don't believe it. Assuming the plastic they use will actually heat up and melt in a microwave I don't see how it will add mass.


THe idea is that if the plastic softens gravity will pull it down slightly, making the side on the bottom a tiny bit heavier.

Of course, that assumes a microwave can soften plastic in the desired way.


Oh, my bad, when I read weight it I was thinking adding weight instead of changing how it is distributed. That might be interesting.
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There was a 2v 2 game last weekend in which one player was using a terminator only army (plus vehicles and dreads). By the end of turn two the other three players, including his friend who was on his team, packed up their stuff and started another game. The termy player was then asked to leave the store and not return by the Indy owner. I inquired what happened after my game had finished and found out that he had drilled out and painted his dice so that the 1's now were 5's...

LOL

Why you would even attempt that is beyond me. Did he really think that no one would notice that he had never lost a single termy to a bad save the entire game when hit by small arms fire? Especially since the 1 and 5 sides of a die are side by side. I'm surprised no one noticed before the end of turn two that he hadn't rolled a single one or that there were two fives on all of his dice.

Silly cheaters.

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MemphisMark wrote:I remember a guy on eBay who bragged that he used novelty dice (as opposed to loaded) to win several RTT's, and had the howling griffons to prove it.

His dice weren't weighted, but rather had two sixes and no ones.

I haven't seen him in a couple of years though. Probably chased off eBay and out of the RTT circuit.


Those are the best of the cheaty dice. If I was going to cheat I'd be rolling two or three in all of my sets. Then late game just pocket the cheaty dice for normal ones, no one would be the wiser. I was just 'lucky' during the early part.

And then there were none
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Grignard wrote:
Balance wrote:
Grignard wrote:Interesting. I don't believe it. Assuming the plastic they use will actually heat up and melt in a microwave I don't see how it will add mass.


THe idea is that if the plastic softens gravity will pull it down slightly, making the side on the bottom a tiny bit heavier.

Of course, that assumes a microwave can soften plastic in the desired way.


Oh, my bad, when I read weight it I was thinking adding weight instead of changing how it is distributed. That might be interesting.


Well, after a little research, it seems that this might be possible, but I don't think a microwave is the tool for the job.

Note: I am in no way endorsing cheating, and take no responsibility for any bans or beatings that may occur as a result of tampering with dice. Don't try this at home. That said:

The internets seem to tell me that most plastic dice are made from polymethylmethacrylate. This has a melting point not too far above the boiling point of water; one could easily melt such a die with any number of kitchen appliances. Microwaves are probably not suitable; they work by inducing rotation of polar molecules, and while PMMA is fairly polar for an organic molecule, it's significantly less polar than water (which does most of the work of absorbing the energy of a microwave oven when you cook food). More importantly, in a die methylmethacrylate units are linked into polymer chains forming a solid block and have very little freedom to rotate. If you were going to redistribute the weight of some dice, I think a regular oven would work much better.

Of course, I don't know how significant a weight distribution one could achieve without visibly deforming the dice, and any method that tests the balance of a weighted die (like dropping it in water) will catch any die that's been deformed enough to have a real impact on a game.
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MagickalMemories wrote:
Nurglitch wrote:Speaking of sticking stuff in microwaves, you know what's cool? You take an ordinary 60watt incandescent bulb and stick it in a glass of water so that the electrode (?) is poking into the water but the round bit of the bulb is cupped by the glass. Stick it in the microwave and let'er rip.


LOL

Dude... I'm nearly 37 years old. I'm NOT dumb enough to try that.

...but I'm immature enough to be curious as HECK about precisely what happens.


Spill the beans?

not exactly, but
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNAIRms7V2Y

and more fun, but NSFW:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdF6M2FBKG4


He's got a mind like a steel trap. By which I mean it can only hold one idea at a time;
it latches on to the first idea to come along, good or bad; and it takes strenuous effort with a crowbar to make it let go.
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Just use the same dice as your opponent, so everytime they wound you, you pick up the dice that wounded you and roll them. That way your opponent wouldn't bother with biased dice as you gain as much an advantage as they do. Saves you counting them aswelll lol
 
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