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Respectfully, the Mods are paid this extravagant amount of money to keep the peace, and they disagree with your assessment, nor are they particularly inclined to discuss the terms as written by the Great and All Powerful Yakface. To disagree with the sacred words of the Tau of Yakface is to invite heresy...

I believe the terms were originally set by Russ, begging your pardon grumpy old sheriff.

Anyway, here's my question:

Will judges now start to consider prefab less quality than scratch built?

But affirmed by Russ so nana!

Mannahnin wrote:Sorry, Fullhead. Just because something is true doesn't make it "not rude" it just makes it "not libel". Our rule is against rudeness, which is a lower threshold for offense.

Ok, I can agree that asking Breotan "Were you born this stupid or did you take lessons?" was a tad rude and I understand that rule #1 is there to facilitate intelligent discourse. I can also agree that Aggy has a history of this - but come on, at some point surely someone needs to understand that the point they are making is dumb. I suppose you could politely point out that they are stupid, rather akin to saying someone is "economic with the actuality" as opposed to be a "big fat liar" as I referred to a poster the other day.

However, I find it a tad disingenous to point out that some-one is relying onto the swear filter. If there is meant to be no swearing why not just block the words or a post that contains swear words. Is not having a swear filter enabling rude behavior. The position you (as in Mods & Yak) take on this does't make logical sense and I think it needs addressing.

fullheadofhair wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:Sorry, Fullhead. Just because something is true doesn't make it "not rude" it just makes it "not libel". Our rule is against rudeness, which is a lower threshold for offense.

Ok, I can agree that asking Breotan "Were you born this stupid or did you take lessons?" was a tad rude and I understand that rule #1 is there to facilitate intelligent discourse. I can also agree that Aggy has a history of this - but come on, at some point surely someone needs to understand that the point they are making is dumb. I suppose you could politely point out that they are stupid, rather akin to saying someone is "economic with the actuality" as opposed to be a "big fat liar" as I referred to a poster the other day.

To quote Heinlein: "I was not making fun of you personally - I was heaping scorn on an inexcusably silly idea - a practice I shall always follow."
To is perfectly possible (and permissible!) to address the logic of someone's position, without resorting to ad hominem attacks on the person themselves.

We're wandering rather afield, though.

Romeo, is there no way you can have these shipping by early March? I'd dearly love to buy one pre-Adepticon, with enough time to receive & paint it. Also, for future inserts: consider making some flat ones, to let us model on top of. (Also, it'd let us apply magnetic/metal sheeting, which would be handy for those who embed magnets into their bases.)

Modquisition on.
Lets take this private fullheadofhair and drop it from this thread.

We are trying to get them here as we speak. These are being made in China and require us to have them shipped by boat. After all we are shipping thousands, not hundreds so it does take a bit. Our hopes is to have them in our warehouse by Adepticon but customs always makes the call.

Sometimes containers can get stopped for days or even weeks for customs to inspect them. I just don't want to make promises that I'll be forced to break because of shipping delays.

I will promise that if at all posible I will have them out for Adepticon. I do know for sure that they will be available for pre-order on the 15th of March but other then that the hard ship date has not been set. We will know more in two weeks. Please stand by and we'll keep everyone informed as we know more.

Thanks

Romeo

Ozymandias wrote:Why oh why Romeo can't it be ready before Adepticon. I've been agonizing over making a display board that fits in my suitcase and this would make my life so much easier.

I agree. I am in the same boat as you. This piece has also been the deciding factor for me not to make a tray of my own.

I really think you are going to miss out on major sales if this thing isn't ready at or before Adepticon, Romeo. I guarantee you I will not be buying any battlefoam(I already have an army transport) I guarantee you I would buy this tray at or before Adepticon if you make it available. If not I might pick one up IF I attend another tournament in the future.

Rom,

Nice idea, I can see merits of it.

Question, Considering quite a few of us oldergamers who are ignored by GW as not been core market also on the whole have displays at home, consideration to a "rail" system to "fit" shelving units ?

or perhaps have the ability to slot on to cabinet shelf pins

Also have you considered free standing "Rests" or stands ?

Sgt Diablo wrote:We are trying to get them here as we speak. These are being made in China and require us to have them shipped by boat. After all we are shipping thousands, not hundreds so it does take a bit. Our hopes is to have them in our warehouse by Adepticon but customs always makes the call.

Sometimes containers can get stopped for days or even weeks for customs to inspect them. I just don't want to make promises that I'll be forced to break because of shipping delays.

I will promise that if at all posible I will have them out for Adepticon. I do know for sure that they will be available for pre-order on the 15th of March but other then that the hard ship date has not been set. We will know more in two weeks. Please stand by and we'll keep everyone informed as we know more.

Thanks

Romeo

China, eh? Okay, I won't lick it when I get one, as I don't need any more cadmium in my diet.

Thanks for the explanation. I fully understand customs issues (although I rarely associate them with my hobbies; my wife, with her garage kits, seems more customs flak than I).

It still comes down to the point that people on this site whine and moan at every nickle GW charges for pretty much anything. When GW released their 6' x 4' board, the bitching pretty much became a cacophony. Now BF releases a board that is demonstrably more expensive and more nitch-oriented than GW's and everyone loves it - to the point of personally (and repeatedly) insulting me because I disagree and dare to point out the "cons" while everyone else sings on an on about the "pros". Yes, the BF display is collapsable but you can easily take a single 2' section of GW's board and use it for your display. Given that GW's 2' x ,2' section is only marginally bigger than a pizza box, I don't see this as being an unfair comparison or a huge burden of space when travelling.

A previous poster suggested that BF make a regular sized board and undercut GW's prices. I may be wrong, but given the price of this display product I think it is unlikely to happen.

Breotan, you're still missing the point.

This is NOT INTENDED AS A GAMING TABLE. This is a display board for an individual gamer to display their tournament army on, and on which to carry said army from table to table between games at said tourney. It's collapsible to solve the problem of carrying your board if you're flying to tournaments.

Anyone who flies to GTs on any kind of regular basis, and who would find this appealing, probably could afford the Realm of Battle board. So I am highly skeptical that any of the people in this thread, interested in this product, were complaining about the price of the RoBb.

Breotan wrote:It still comes down to the point that people on this site whine and moan at every nickle GW charges for pretty much anything. When GW released their 6' x 4' board, the bitching pretty much became a cacophony. Now BF releases a board that is demonstrably more expensive and more nitch-oriented than GW's and everyone loves it - to the point of personally (and repeatedly) insulting me because I disagree and dare to point out the "cons" while everyone else sings on an on about the "pros". Yes, the BF display is collapsable but you can easily take a single 2' section of GW's board and use it for your display. Given that GW's 2' x ,2' section is only marginally bigger than a pizza box, I don't see this as being an unfair comparison or a huge burden of space when travelling.

A previous poster suggested that BF make a regular sized board and undercut GW's prices. I may be wrong, but given the price of this display product I think it is unlikely to happen.

I can fit a 12"x18" footprint into my luggage. I cannot fit a 2"x2" footprint.

It really is that simple.

This is a nice product. I can see them selling like hotcakes.

In general I like the concept and the product looks good, but a one-size-fits-all display does run into the problem of some armies simply taking up obscene amounts of room. My current Vendetta heavy IG list fits somewhat comfortably on a realm of battle tile at 24"x24", but getting it to go an 18"x24" just wouldn't work. I've also made displays for a few customers and while many armies could fit on this pretty easily a few (DE paper air force, IG mech, foot Orks) need something more like a 24" square.

I can see the arguement for making it carry-on friendly and for most armies this would work fine, but it would be nice to see a larger version.

Wow, very very cool, makes a lot of plain sense. Will we be seeing these April 16 at Slaughter in Space?

I think this is great. I have done the "drill the holes so my models are seamless with the terrain for this GT season" and I am so over that. It was fun, but I will never do it again. Any slight tweak and BAM, half the board is useless as I begin to have empty holes or need extra holes.

So I have no problem using a blank board my models sit on top of. If I lose points, I am cool with that. I care about making my life easy at this point in my gaming career.

This fits that role for me. Sure I can make my own board, I just don't really care to as I can customize this board highly and make it look great and still fold it up and transport it to tourneys.

Consider me advance advance ordered.

Any chance of getting a few shots with different armies displayed? Maybe an infantry heavy and a mech heavy?

I've got a few ideas for my Valks/ Vulteres depending on the construction of the panels. What were they made of again?

Mannahnin wrote:Breotan, you're still missing the point.

Actually, I think you're missing my point. If this exact display table were made by GW at this exact same price instead of by BF, the responses would be completely opposite of what they are in this thread. Other people would have made the same price comparison I did much earlier and run much farther with it. Still others would have already mentioned how you can do the exact same thing with foam, paint, and tape for a lot less money. The guys who love to build their own displays would have decried the board as boring and unimaginative. The supporting posts would be almost non-existant. But this display isn't made by GW, it's made by BF and for that reason alone the fawning happens and derision is heaped upon dissenter. Look at the Realm of Battle thread: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/223652.page#460851 The FOURTH reply is the first one that is supportive in any way shape or form with mixed results after that. Why? Because GW made it.

I'm not saying BF shouldn't make and sell what they want or that people shouldn't buy from them. I'm saying that a lot of people on this Dakka are hypocrites and I'm calling them on it.

Ok Breotan, I understand your point but by bring this up you just look like your attacking us. We did nothing wrong here but make a cool product that needed to be made for some gamers. No one product is for everyone that is why we are left with choice.

I just don't see why everyone seems to get so personal about everything we make. We come up with a good idea, it must be ripped apart and dragged in the mud because we are Battle Foam. Wow, if you don't like the board that is ok. We made it for people that need it. We also made it at a very reasonable price for what it is meant to do.

I have 3 display boards that I have made over the years and I can't remember one of them costing me less then $60.00 in parts to make. I also waisted no less then a full weekend on each. For some people time is money and this is just another fast way to get something done to benefit the gamers.

I'm not attacking you here so don't get worked up. I'm just saying that BF threads on Dakka always turn ugly because of posts just like yours. Please be kind to the other opinions on the forum and let people say what they want. Why beat them down because they like it.

I personally don't mind anything you have said but I just want this thread to be left unlocked so I can find out if any of the gamers require future items or ways to make it better.

Thanks for understanding.

Romeo

I don't see why you would compare this product to GW at all. GW doesn't offer anything that competes with it. It is unique in this market, and it has room for expansion. It is a one of a kind product and at a very reasonable price. Also, don't price it by sqare footage compared to a GW table. It has display sides, and the ENTIRE point is that it is carry on friendly for flying. It is made to be small and lightweight.

If and when BF releases a game table THEN we can compare that pound for pound against the GW table.

And if price was no object, I'd rather pay a few bucks more for the BF sections to make a tabel than waste money on the skullpit that is the GW table. releasing specialty tiles in a modular table as mandatory and without immediate options to replace them is slowed. The skull tiles should have been expansions, not mainstays.

I'm personally stoked about it. I'm hoping to see a city scape style board soon. Things with built in rubble and a few flat places to put building parts from ::cough cough:: other companites

Either way I'm probably gonna pick up the basic one regardless since something like this will push me just that much closer to the top 2 spot

Breotan wrote:

Mannahnin wrote:Breotan, you're still missing the point.

Actually, I think you're missing my point. If this exact display table were made by GW at this exact same price instead of by BF, the responses would be completely opposite of what they are in this thread. Other people would have made the same price comparison I did much earlier and run much farther with it. Still others would have already mentioned how you can do the exact same thing with foam, paint, and tape for a lot less money. The guys who love to build their own displays would have decried the board as boring and unimaginative. The supporting posts would be almost non-existant. But this display isn't made by GW, it's made by BF and for that reason alone the fawning happens and derision is heaped upon dissenter. Look at the Realm of Battle thread: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/223652.page#460851 The FOURTH reply is the first one that is supportive in any way shape or form with mixed results after that. Why? Because GW made it.

I'm not saying BF shouldn't make and sell what they want or that people shouldn't buy from them. I'm saying that a lot of people on this Dakka are hypocrites and I'm calling them on it.

This product is appealing to a totally different market segment. Display boards for tourneys and gaming tables are not the same thing and are not designed to be sold to the same audience.

I do need a display board that is portable which I will take with my army to tournaments. I do not need a portable gaming table as most places I play at provide terrain and gaming space. Since they are stores and not frequently transporting thier tables and terrain, the added feature to pay for a portable table is dubious in value so they use custom built tables and terrain.

If I needed to carry a gaming table with me everywhere, or even infrequently, or wanted a table that could pack up at home to be out of the way, i could see the Realm of battle table being useful and I would consider paying the premium for it. Right now I don't need the product.

This product is something I do need, and I feel like I would pay the premium for it.

Different products, different targets, fill different roles... not sure how that makes people hypocrites.

nkelsch wrote:
This product is something I do need, and I feel like I would pay the premium for it.

Different products, different targets, fill different roles... not sure how that makes people hypocrites.

This. I'm planning on pre-ordering this as soon as it becomes available. I'm playing guard and I'm on public transport. This is ideal for my needs.

I would like to see an army on it, if possible.

I just did a mock-up of the 24x18 space, and it fits 5 chimera bodies and a valk base side by side and would fit three rows of that and have room to spare for infantry. As per Romeo's earlier post, that 24 x 18 does not include the side bumpers, so that's a good size.

NecronLord3 wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:Why oh why Romeo can't it be ready before Adepticon. I've been agonizing over making a display board that fits in my suitcase and this would make my life so much easier.

I agree. I am in the same boat as you. This piece has also been the deciding factor for me not to make a tray of my own.

I really think you are going to miss out on major sales if this thing isn't ready at or before Gencon, Romeo. I guarantee you I will not be buying any battlefoam(I already have an army transport) I guarantee you I would buy this tray at or before Gencon if you make it available. If not I might pick one up IF I attend another tournament in the future.

Adepticon is in like a month, Gencon is not till later in the year. They should definitely be ready by then.

I might end up picking one up with some more foam at Gencon if I can get away from my own booth, maybe I'll get lucky and BF will be a neighbor.

Sgt Diablo wrote:I just don't see why everyone seems to get so personal about everything we make. We come up with a good idea, it must be ripped apart and dragged in the mud because we are Battle Foam. Wow, if you don't like the board that is ok. We made it for people that need it. We also made it at a very reasonable price for what it is meant to do.

I don't think people should attack you simply because you are Battle Foam. I also don't think people should attack GW simply because they are GW.

aerethan wrote:I don't see why you would compare this product to GW at all.

nkelsch wrote:This product is appealing to a totally different market segment.

The comparison is there simply to point out that when GW makes something, anything, people come out of the woodwork to cry about the price or value or anything else they can think of. When a company that isn't GW makes something, all those arguments suddenly disappear. They vaporize. Vanish.

Breotan wrote:

Sgt Diablo wrote:I just don't see why everyone seems to get so personal about everything we make. We come up with a good idea, it must be ripped apart and dragged in the mud because we are Battle Foam. Wow, if you don't like the board that is ok. We made it for people that need it. We also made it at a very reasonable price for what it is meant to do.

I don't think people should attack you simply because you are Battle Foam. I also don't think people should attack GW simply because they are GW.

aerethan wrote:I don't see why you would compare this product to GW at all.

nkelsch wrote:This product is appealing to a totally different market segment.

The comparison is there simply to point out that when GW makes something, anything, people come out of the woodwork to cry about the price or value or anything else they can think of. When a company that isn't GW makes something, all those arguments suddenly disappear. They vaporize. Vanish.

There is no reason to keep bringing up that point in this thread. Yes, some people are hypocrites...that is their right (there's no 'anti-hypocrisy' rule here on Dakka and if there were how would that be enforced?).

This thread is about Battlefoam's product, so can we accept that some people may or may not be hypocrites and leave it at that, alright?

Hey Romeo, will there be an option to purchase a tag for the front of the display?

I was curious since it seems to have a spot for it. Thanks!

Hmmm, I think its a great item and although the price is ideal. I think one major reason I wouldnt want to buy them is because it wouldnt be very unique. I know plenty of people at my local gaming store that have BF products and will probably buy this for tournament use. With even just a few people using it, you wouldnt have your army standing out as much as you would if it had been made customly...

Great product but personally (at least in my area) with even just a few people using it, your army might not be as unique as hoped for.

Cyporiean wrote:

NecronLord3 wrote:

Ozymandias wrote:Why oh why Romeo can't it be ready before Adepticon. I've been agonizing over making a display board that fits in my suitcase and this would make my life so much easier.

I agree. I am in the same boat as you. This piece has also been the deciding factor for me not to make a tray of my own.

I really think you are going to miss out on major sales if this thing isn't ready at or before Gencon, Romeo. I guarantee you I will not be buying any battlefoam(I already have an army transport) I guarantee you I would buy this tray at or before Gencon if you make it available. If not I might pick one up IF I attend another tournament in the future.

Adepticon is in like a month, Gencon is not till later in the year. They should definitely be ready by then.

I might end up picking one up with some more foam at Gencon if I can get away from my own booth, maybe I'll get lucky and BF will be a neighbor.

I meant adepticon. Using iPod in class typing small.