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 Tangent wrote:
I'm assuming that red basecoat is after the priming, yes?

How much pinning do you do? A lot? Or do you use mostly glue?

Finally, I know you mentioned your mix for the green rhino, but I had a question about that. The darker parts of the green... is that just due to the black preshading? Meaning, you primed white, then you sprayed some black in the areas that you wanted to be darker, then you just covered the entire thing in the camo green/bleached bone mix. Is that right? Or are the lighter parts due to additional highlighting?

Yep the zerkers in the picture have been primed with vallejo grey acrylic primer, then a single coat of thinned khorne red. I tend to pin only on things that really really need it, most of the time I lean towards just glue and I've not really had anything fall apart on me yet cross fingers!

So a quick and dirty explanation of the stages for the rhino: Basecoated in white primer (I'd use the grey now but I didn't have the airbrush at the time), then preshading with pure black in all areas I want extremes of shadow. After that's done a single coat of camo green goes over which gives you pretty good depth, I then tend to highlight further in key areas with a 1:1 mix of camo green and bleached bone.

The extra highlighting isn't really needed as such, if you look at the picture for the land raider further up it's had no extra treatments in that photo beyond prime-> preshade -> base. I just like to have a slightly more extreme effect, you can achieve a similar effect by priming with grey then preshading with both pure white and black, but the brighter areas won't be anywhere near as intense.

Think that's the decimator done with, still not entirely sure I'm happy with it but I could keep messing with it and just end up in a worse place than where I started. Though any suggestions are welcome, tried out the recommended green wash on lenses and the goo so wondering if it's noticeable / a decent solution before I go revisiting the blight drone! I'm quite happy with how the heat tarnish came out on the gun barrels which is probably best viewed in picture #3. Also perfectly happy with the effect on the rear of the vehicle, will have to try and get a shot that captures it better but the glow gets brighter the closer it gets to the daemonic containtment vessels sides.







Not quite sure what to work on now until the new paints arrive, I do have some screamers I'd quite like to use in an up coming apoc game at the start of february so they're probably a shoe in, that or the helbrute which is sitting there pre-shaded till I can decide on which legion I want to paint it up as, leaning towards iron warriors for now seeing as it's just the base model from the dark vengeance set without modifications.

Woah! Ive never seen that model before.... it looks wicked!
The washed greens look much much better! Id go with a little more in the recesses around the bubbles (just to get that little bit more definition) and I think youd be golden!
I love the heat tarnish, and the osl glow on the back looks great.

Id like to see some screamers, definitely. It'd give you a bit of a shift from the vehicle/large model phase you're in, if you were wanting a change.

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:

The extra highlighting isn't really needed as such, if you look at the picture for the land raider further up it's had no extra treatments in that photo beyond prime-> preshade -> base. I just like to have a slightly more extreme effect, you can achieve a similar effect by priming with grey then preshading with both pure white and black, but the brighter areas won't be anywhere near as intense.

You're talking about the red world-eaters land raider, right?

And in reference to the preshading with both white AND black, I would ask... why not just prime in white instead of grey, then? Is it because that effect still doesn't get as intense as you want it to be?

Ramos Asura wrote:Woah! Ive never seen that model before.... it looks wicked!
The washed greens look much much better! Id go with a little more in the recesses around the bubbles (just to get that little bit more definition) and I think youd be golden!
I love the heat tarnish, and the osl glow on the back looks great.

Id like to see some screamers, definitely. It'd give you a bit of a shift from the vehicle/large model phase you're in, if you were wanting a change.

Aye it certainly doesn't lose anything with the green wash so I'll have to go over some of the old models that don't have it to keep it uniform. I did get at least a bit of a change in by starting the zerkers but I've not posted how far along I am with them yet as like I say waiting on some bronze from waylands. Oh and the decimator was on page 2!

Tangent wrote:

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:

The extra highlighting isn't really needed as such, if you look at the picture for the land raider further up it's had no extra treatments in that photo beyond prime-> preshade -> base. I just like to have a slightly more extreme effect, you can achieve a similar effect by priming with grey then preshading with both pure white and black, but the brighter areas won't be anywhere near as intense.

You're talking about the red world-eaters land raider, right?

And in reference to the preshading with both white AND black, I would ask... why not just prime in white instead of grey, then? Is it because that effect still doesn't get as intense as you want it to be?

Because that limits you to two tones instead of three, of course further highlights and shading are possible but pre-shading is essentially to make things easier for you and anything that saves you time is a bonus. This video should help make the technique a little clearer for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivzGCUGrsAw I hope that helps! Oh and thanks for the attention, doesn't hurt to get a bit more of that!

Anyway I've managed to get cracking with the screamers, I hate clear flying stands incase the blight drone didn't give that away so I've built in bits of wreckage and scenery for them to stand on with a brass rod pinning them in place. Just waiting for one piece of eldar scenery from bitzbox for the seventh stand. Will have to get my hands on some of the new plastics to bump the numbers up a little as these were all acquired for pennies on ebay back before they were buffed through the ceiling by the white dwarf update. The pic is just two of the seven currently being worked on.

Ooooohhh so it is! Still though, I've never seen that model before this thread xD Is it FW or one of the new CSM releases?

Screamers are looking excellent, by the way. Airbrushes are amazing one ya know how to use em! And I hear ya no hating the flying stands. They just look so chunky and out of place on models. I went a similar route with my Ork Deffkoptas. The streetlight bitz from one of the CoD kits make excellent flying bases, provided the mini isn't too heavy.

 Ramos Asura wrote:
Ooooohhh so it is! Still though, I've never seen that model before this thread xD Is it FW or one of the new CSM releases?

Screamers are looking excellent, by the way. Airbrushes are amazing one ya know how to use em! And I hear ya no hating the flying stands. They just look so chunky and out of place on models. I went a similar route with my Ork Deffkoptas. The streetlight bitz from one of the CoD kits make excellent flying bases, provided the mini isn't too heavy.

It's forgeworld, the rules for it are here: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/d/Decimator_mk2.pdf

I'm saving up some of the circular lights to use as void shield markers on a titan I've got planned already got the concept drawings together and planned most of the materials but I want to get some of this painting etc out of the way before I go starting another big project. Especially as the plague tower has made me a little disillusioned with regard to super heavies it just doesn't seem to have enough boom for it's cost, especially compared to my IG friends dominus bombards!

Screamers are coming along nicely, just need to add a bit more depth to the scales and horns, tried a wash on the underside of one and it basically ruined it so I've wiped it clean with thinner, trying to edge highlight them instead now which seems to be working but isn't on the pic as yet

Daaaamn.... that decimator is MEAN!
And Id love to see you do a titan! I wouldn't fret too much about the Dominus- IG is a super shooty army anyways, and tanks are something of their specialty :/ There are still a good number of SuperHeavies that are worth points. Just about any titan is a killing machine, and the Ork Blasta Bomma (a big flyer) is one of my favorite units (2 Eldar Phantom kills in 2 games xD ). The Ork Pulsa Rokkit, on the other hand, is broken beyond words, capable of locking down thousands of points of models in one fell swoop.

Anywho... I've noticed that washes on airbrushed gradients tends to be hit or miss. I've had it work out great sometimes, while others ended up trashing the model.
I'm really liking the color of the screamers- especially how you inverted it on a couple!

 Ramos Asura wrote:
Daaaamn.... that decimator is MEAN!
And Id love to see you do a titan! I wouldn't fret too much about the Dominus- IG is a super shooty army anyways, and tanks are something of their specialty :/ There are still a good number of SuperHeavies that are worth points. Just about any titan is a killing machine, and the Ork Blasta Bomma (a big flyer) is one of my favorite units (2 Eldar Phantom kills in 2 games xD ). The Ork Pulsa Rokkit, on the other hand, is broken beyond words, capable of locking down thousands of points of models in one fell swoop.

Anywho... I've noticed that washes on airbrushed gradients tends to be hit or miss. I've had it work out great sometimes, while others ended up trashing the model.
I'm really liking the color of the screamers- especially how you inverted it on a couple!

Well glad you like the titan and decimator seeing as the titan I've got planned is a warlord, based quite heavily on a slaaneshi decimator, who needs imperial patterns when you've got the dark mechanicus right!

Screamers are now finished apart from bases, like I said earlier waiting on one more piece before I can get cracking on them, though if anything they're more fiddly than the screamers thanks to the resin basing bits. Got lot's of different helmets and bits of equipment all with different schemes to do on them. Added a further highlight colour to the purple sections as they were too flat so now they've got a layer of warlock purple mixed 1:1 with skull white to brighten them up a bit more.

In an effort not to stop doing things I've now laid down a base of enchanted blue on a lord of change and fateweaver, figured I'd paint them at the same time as I'll be doing them both in the same scheme anyway.

Well after a busy few days of not getting much done I'm back on it, paints finally arrived today, got a small selection of the new metallics so I could pick the right one for my zerkers. Got lucky on a couple of eBay auctions and snagged some raptors on the cheap, which are actually the first models I've got out of the new range but what I wouldn't give to be able to afford a heldrake or three right now, especially as I've got an apoc game on the 3rd of feb. I think for my night lords I'm going to opt for not using scenic bases, and instead I'll use some of the more traditional basing materials, along with a good chunk of the cities of death terrain, I just feel it would suit them more somehow.





I've not really done much to them above stock construction at the minute, I'm a little worried about ruining them as the new sculpts have an absolute tonne of little extra details. Might have to find a way of working in some trophy skulls and chains on at least the champion. I've opted not to use the ridiculous bat helms, sold them on eBay and kept the shoulder pads, I think the warp talon heads will work for what I want aesthetically. Oh I did have to repose the legs on the ones with the skull kneepad, the pose looked ridiculous so I've chopped them off and repinned them in a more aggressive pose.

Oh and the bits finally arrived for the final screamer base so I've got those to paint too, looks like it's going to be a good weekend for the paintbrushes.

Screamers look exceptional. The extra layer of brighter colors really makes them pop!

The raptors look great too- its the first I've seen from the new line. Well apart from the helldrake, of which I'm of mixed opinions.

Dont fret too much about the Bombards in Apoc- Kill em like any other tank! Meltas, meltas, meltas!!

Those Screamer bases are gonna look bad-ass.

D

Ramos Asura wrote:Screamers look exceptional. The extra layer of brighter colors really makes them pop!

The raptors look great too- its the first I've seen from the new line. Well apart from the helldrake, of which I'm of mixed opinions.

Dont fret too much about the Bombards in Apoc- Kill em like any other tank! Meltas, meltas, meltas!!

Yeah, that's pretty much the plan now, won't go into how I'm gonna do it till after the game, just incase those dastardly guard of wolf players are looking, where's a twitchy paranoid emoticon when you need one! I think the heldrake can look good if it's done well, or if it's carefully converted, seen a lot of bad ones though. I imagine I'll have to work in a crumbling tower onto mine somehow as heaven forbid me having to use a flying stand.

evildrcheese wrote:Those Screamer bases are gonna look bad-ass.

D

I was certainly hoping so but they're barely visible now, and that's after I had to muck about painting helms for white scars, black legion, SoB and one modified Iyanden to match the scheme from one of our groups space fairy players.

So screamers are now completed because I just could not get to sleep, need to find a matte varnish I can put through the airbrush as I'm afraid of the big bottle of vallejo because it keeps getting clogged if I try and use that and I don't want to wreck the brush.



I've also done a little more modelling on the second blight drone, just the propellers and pustules to go on it now, camera didn't focus on the fun little detail I was trying to point out though, we now have a zombie guardsman getting ready to munch on a poor former comrade who is swimming for his life.



Oh and not that interesting but the two lords of change who haven't moved beyond primer and enchanted blue

I remember seeing one base for a helldrake on here that used a gout of fire from its moult as a flight stand. Rasting some IG dudes if Im remembering right.... now I gotta go find it again!

That Drone base is AWESOME! Loving the zombie guardsmen- I love bases that tell stories. Dude its gonna look so wicked when its painted I like how you used sand on it for differences in texture,. Gonna paint that as rust?

And hey, progress is progress on the Lords, no? They look good, even if its just their base blues.

You put any shades or washes on those screamers, or is that all airbrush work?

Ramos Asura wrote:I remember seeing one base for a helldrake on here that used a gout of fire from its moult as a flight stand. Rasting some IG dudes if Im remembering right.... now I gotta go find it again!

That Drone base is AWESOME! Loving the zombie guardsmen- I love bases that tell stories. Dude its gonna look so wicked when its painted I like how you used sand on it for differences in texture,. Gonna paint that as rust?

And hey, progress is progress on the Lords, no? They look good, even if its just their base blues.

Aye it'll be painted rusty patches, sand seems the easiest way to work that in, have got basically nothing done today, still working on an apoc list and it's only just over a week till the game. I may have put way too many points into about 7 models which somehow come to nearly 1.5k points by themselves despite being one unit.

Tangent wrote:You put any shades or washes on those screamers, or is that all airbrush work?

Nope the base colours themselves are entirely airbrush work, I've not used any shades or washes on any of the stuff I've been airbrushing lately apart from the zerkers I'm working on. The scales and horns etc are all brushwork though, but again no washes or shades.

Quick and dirty update, broken one of my lamps so the light is even worse than usual, looks like it's time for the second tech investment after that airbrush which will have to be a pair of proper painting lamps which can also be used for photos!

Land Raider is coming along slowly, using washes this time but not as normal, bleeding them into the gaps and dark lines without running any onto the surface itself, and I have to say I'm quite pleased with the effect. Not sure how I'll weather the tracks on this one was considering blood using tamiya clear red and black wash but I was worried about it looking too cheesy, just don't want to hide the tracks seeing as I shelled out for the machinator ones!





Bloodthirster still needs basing, I think the painting is as good as I'm going to be able to get it for the most part, the old model is a real sod to try and make look half decent it certainly hasn't aged as well as the lord of change. Still I wanted to at least have one of these in the army before they release the new plastics, if only because I'd love to be able to run daemon angron or bloodthirster bloodbath in apoc eventually.

Yeah, that Bloodthirster model is pretty crap, imo. You've done as well as anyone, though. And the Landraider looks quite good - very solid. Nice treads.

Great work on.. everything

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Landraider is looking awesome! Staring at all the little gaps must have driven you crazy I wouldn't go too crazy on the blood, even if it is Khorne... mud/dust, and a splatter of blood or two maybe for the sake of the blood god.

And the thirster looks great for what the model is! Ive seen that guy in person before, and whew! almost as bad as the old "screamer" Fex model. Your painting makes it look presentable though! Good work

Tangent wrote:Yeah, that Bloodthirster model is pretty crap, imo. You've done as well as anyone, though. And the Landraider looks quite good - very solid. Nice treads.

I think basing him will help cross fingers, I think I've finally settled on just using cork tiles and greenstuff to make lava bases for my khornate units so I'll have to drive and pick some up at some point.

sir william the bold wrote:Great work on.. everything

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Thank you! Always nice to see someone else responding on the thread especially when it's nice

Ramos Asura wrote:Landraider is looking awesome! Staring at all the little gaps must have driven you crazy I wouldn't go too crazy on the blood, even if it is Khorne... mud/dust, and a splatter of blood or two maybe for the sake of the blood god.

And the thirster looks great for what the model is! Ive seen that guy in person before, and whew! almost as bad as the old "screamer" Fex model. Your painting makes it look presentable though! Good work

Yeah in the end I went for traditional weathering and I'm glad I did, the blood can stay on the weapons where it belongs! Adjusted my technique for lamps inspired by a few other tanks I've seen, I was a little unsure at first but at least in person it works for me. Also lenses galore on the land raider which is always fun. Like I said to Tangent I'm hoping basing properly and adding a better set of photos should help with the Blood thirster, looking through CMoN helped me feel a little better about it as there's nothing on there in the Bloodthirster category that blew me away either.

Rambling aside here are some photos of the completed Land Raider!









Won't have time to paint anything else really till monday now as I've got my apocalypse game tomorrow, 10k points a side, 2 players each side. I've been teamed with khorne daemons, the opposition is imperial guard and the sons of russ so I'm preparing for some horrible pain. Still cross fingers we should get the first turn seeing as the daemons player will be bidding 0 for deployment.

Looks awesome Ignatius! The mud in particular looks awesome- really crumbly-looking, and I love the subtle changes in color. What technique did you use?

And if I was to nitpick just a bit... The osl looks slightly off to me on the lamps. At least in the pics it looks too mono-colored on the lights themselves. Maybe a shot of the color mixed with white right in the middle of each "pane" of the lamps? They need some bit of white in them I think, just to brighten them up and set them apart as the light source, rather than just the light.
Am I being clear or just confusing?

Honestly its only a minor complaint, and not even one that really needs fixing. The Land Raider looks amazing regardless

Best of luck with the game!! Kill some loyalist scum!

 Ramos Asura wrote:
Looks awesome Ignatius! The mud in particular looks awesome- really crumbly-looking, and I love the subtle changes in color. What technique did you use?

And if I was to nitpick just a bit... The osl looks slightly off to me on the lamps. At least in the pics it looks too mono-colored on the lights themselves. Maybe a shot of the color mixed with white right in the middle of each "pane" of the lamps? They need some bit of white in them I think, just to brighten them up and set them apart as the light source, rather than just the light.
Am I being clear or just confusing?

Honestly its only a minor complaint, and not even one that really needs fixing. The Land Raider looks amazing regardless

Best of luck with the game!! Kill some loyalist scum!

The mud is a hell of a mix of techniques and paints, pva, sand, ballast, matte medium, pigments in dark tones, then the same again over the top with lighter tones then a drybrush of pigment and paint, just whatever looked right at the time.

I think the lamps are the only thing that has been pointed out and it's been more than once and looking at the pics I agree, not gotten round to doing it yet but definitely shall.

Unfortunately the game didn't turn out as well as I'd hoped, we got first turn and I smashed some things with the purge formation and the lords of the black crusade with all their orbitals too, however after that the guard started dropping AP3 S8-10 everywhere and my ally couldn't do much as he was playing khorne daemons and they'd brought disruption beacons as they knew what was coming, also meant my flank march meltas ended up on the wrong corner. Definitely turned out to be a learning experience though, I love the purge formation, getting three Apoc barrage (3) templates on turn one with 4+ poison is very fun.

Went out and got some supplies for my lava themed basing on tuesday (as well as some of the titan materials), so I've managed to get the first new base done for the khorne themed stuff, I think I ended up with enough cork tiles for around a million points.





Still can't seem to get the photos clear for the blood effects on the axe and whip I'll definitely have to start working on those zerkers now.

Wow, I like the base a lot. That's just cork?

As for the blood, it looks like you did more than just paint some red on there... If you added some kind-of thick gore effect, I would be interested to know how you did it.

 Tangent wrote:
Wow, I like the base a lot. That's just cork?

As for the blood, it looks like you did more than just paint some red on there... If you added some kind-of thick gore effect, I would be interested to know how you did it.

Yep cork tiles roughly broken up, currently building bases for the previously shown termies and zerkers now that I'm sure I like them.

The blood is tamiya clear red dabbed on in layers to build texture, with the top layers mixed with nuln oil wash to make it look more clotted, I'm sure there must be a proper tutorial somewhere as it's becoming an increasingly popular way to do blood on miniatures.

This is an awesome blog. Loving everything on here, though the first Blight Drone and those Screamers would have to be my favs. Nice work!

It seems like you're doing quite a bit of interesting stuff. The screamers are some of my favourite minis and you've done an amazing job with them.

I'm looking forward to seeing more.

bunnygurl wrote:This is an awesome blog. Loving everything on here, though the first Blight Drone and those Screamers would have to be my favs. Nice work!

Welcome to the blog! I have to say I rather love the blight drone myself, they're just such a fun unit both to build/paint and to play with.

lennymaybe wrote:It seems like you're doing quite a bit of interesting stuff. The screamers are some of my favourite minis and you've done an amazing job with them.

I'm looking forward to seeing more.

Thank you very much, always nice to get some more support! It seems the screamers are quite the hit, I'll have to get working on some more of the pretty tzeentch units clearly.

Bit of a random update today, been slogging on with the berzerkers they're taking longer than I expected currently applying bronze base to the metal bits as otherwise it takes about 5 layers to cover properly, there are so many little details on the forge world kits still cross fingers it'll be worth the effort. Also started work on the helbrute for a change of pace but nothing particularly interesting about a stock model with only a couple of layers on

So I guess I'll just pop up a few of the pieces currently being worked on modelling wise:





Abaddon and a tzeentch sorcerer, Abby has unfortunately received a bit of a bashing which means I need to add spikes back onto him, and the topknot needs working onto the new head a bit more as the greenstuff is far too rough. I feel using the newer terminator lord kit to beef up his size is basically a must, and of course not wanting to waste anything the body can be used to make a perfectly passable sorcerer, the armour is still quite ornate and having a spellcaster a little shorter doesn't hurt at all.



The old great unclean one definitely hasn't aged quite as badly as the bloodthirster, however that giant tongue looked ridiculous so he's had some surgery in line with forge worlds efforts. Also swapped out the giant skulls he's dragging for no apparent reason for some unfortunate victims on meat hooks. I'm just glad one of my guard player friends keeps his screaming faces to one side for me!



The changeling is one of my favourite units, and he's double the fun in apoc games! He's also the first time I've ever experienced a problem with finecast, that staff did not make the transition well at all and is incredibly floppy, so I've removed it and added some of the old pink horror arms, I think I actually prefer the new model plus it's always nice to have something a bit more unique.

Anyway I'm going to crack on with these berzerkers, thanks again for the interest chaps and chapettes!

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Awesome new models, Ignatius. Definitely looking forward to paint!

Im really shocked that thats your first bad experience with Finecast. All the ones Ive seen have been miserable, save one. the 25th anniversary SM model I have is flawless.
Even if the staff was trash, the result looks perfect. The arms match up perfectly!