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2012/03/02 01:12:53
Subject: The kind of guy you'd love to kick the s$&t out of just by looking at him
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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iproxtaco wrote:Relapse wrote:
I'm comparing two guys whose circumstances with being predators I have personal knowledge of with a third that has the same kind of pattern going.
It's not a fair comparison. You're passing judgement, which is wrong.
I'm ok with that.
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2012/03/02 01:21:49
Subject: The kind of guy you'd love to kick the s$&t out of just by looking at him
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Frazzled wrote:
I'm ok with that.
Surprise surprise
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2012/03/02 01:31:38
Subject: The kind of guy you'd love to kick the s$&t out of just by looking at him
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Yep. Having a daughter gives one a different perspective than you might have. Where's Melissia when you need her?
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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2012/03/02 01:35:34
Subject: The kind of guy you'd love to kick the s$&t out of just by looking at him
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The Fallen Realm of Umbar
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Johnny-Crass wrote:Frazzled wrote:
I'm ok with that.
Surprise surprise
I know right?
OT: I don't really see what the problem is, as far as we can tell they love each other and again as far as we can tell nothing happened before the age of consent, so he lost his job over it, not really a problem since basically any school anywhere has similar policies on relationships with students (conflict of interest and all that).
Probably the wierdest part is, if the couple were gay, apart from a couple of people having a brainfart, no-one would give a gak, why you like this internet?
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2012/03/02 03:48:45
Subject: Re:The kind of guy you'd love to kick the s$&t out of just by looking at him
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I think we all need to keep our outrage in perspective a bit and focus it where it belongs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Hutchison
Now that is a creepy, screwed up situation.
Huh, and I guess he went to high school one town over from me. Small world.
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2012/03/02 04:07:19
Subject: The kind of guy you'd love to kick the s$&t out of just by looking at him
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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biccat wrote:
I don't see why the school is going after the guy. There isn't any evidence that he did anything inappropriate except for the fact that he moved in with her.
Seems like a cut & dry case of discrimination.
Entering into a romantic relationship with a student who was recently a minor seems like probable cause for investigation. Its certainly sufficient cause to suspend him, as was done.
Also, it doesn't appear to be the school that is pursuing the investigation, but the police at the behest of the mother.
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2012/03/02 04:30:16
Subject: Re:The kind of guy you'd love to kick the s$&t out of just by looking at him
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Chowderhead wrote:I'mma call butterface.
Agreed, wouldn't touch that with a thirty nine and a half foot pole....
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2012/03/02 04:46:45
Subject: The kind of guy you'd love to kick the s$&t out of just by looking at him
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I don't see any problem with this from a legal perspective.
Morally speaking, the girl is probably just using the relationship as a temporary means of getting away from her overly-strict family with an older man who can has enough cash to make sure she's in stable accommodation and fed.
In case y'all haven't noticed, it's a recession, and that's what some women do if they don't fancy their prospects in life, and there is no shortage of really stupid old men to take the other side of that trade. With low grades in her classes, dating this guy might have seemed like a more appealing prospect than spending 5 years working in a burger joint or whatever. In the same situation as her (and being female) I might have made the same decision.
My aunt married a man 26 years older than her, and I'm fairly sure she's much happier now than when she was working 12 hour days for a touch above minimum wage in a highly stressful job. Just something worth keeping in mind before y'all go white-knighting around.
It's entirely possible that she'll dump him as soon as she's found her feet and she'll be the one left in a happy situation, whereas he'll be the one left trying to claw back his relationship with his family.
None of this post is "politically correct", but if you're going to reply to it please at least make the effort to point out what part of my reasoning is flawed as opposed to grabbing a torch and screaming "paedo sympathiser" at the top of your lungs while waving a flaming torch, or I'm just going to have to think of you as the guy in this video (British humour at its best).
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2012/03/02 12:26:43
Subject: The kind of guy you'd love to kick the s$&t out of just by looking at him
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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You forgot about the family he just abandoned. Purge them with fire.
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2012/03/02 16:39:38
Subject: The kind of guy you'd love to kick the s$&t out of just by looking at him
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Frazzled wrote:iproxtaco wrote:Relapse wrote:
I'm comparing two guys whose circumstances with being predators I have personal knowledge of with a third that has the same kind of pattern going.
It's not a fair comparison. You're passing judgement, which is wrong.
I'm ok with that.
Doesn't stop it from being the wrong thing to do.
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2012/03/02 17:07:59
Subject: The kind of guy you'd love to kick the s$&t out of just by looking at him
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Battlefortress Driver with Krusha Wheel
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Frazzled wrote:Yep. Having a daughter gives one a different perspective than you might have. Where's Melissia when you need her?
Actually, in legal terms, it makes you less reliable in this case as a jury member, as you'd have more emotional motivations when weighing up evidence than someone who was able to stand back from the situation.
No doubt I'll feel the same as you when I get 'round to having kids of my own, mind, I'm just saying that maybe standing back and weighing what we know and don't know is a better idea.
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2012/03/03 00:06:55
Subject: The kind of guy you'd love to kick the s$&t out of just by looking at him
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Fanatic with Madcap Mushrooms
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Frazzled wrote:You forgot about the family he just abandoned.
Then he is doing it right!
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2012/03/03 05:07:52
Subject: The kind of guy you'd love to kick the s$&t out of just by looking at him
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A) She is now legally adult and able to consent. There is the chance that they did nothing illegal, and from a legal standpoint there is the presumption of innocence. Given that the police are investigating, there may be evidence to the contrary.
B) Morally, there are multiple issues with his actions.
First is the power imbalance in which their relationship began. While pedophile may not really be the proper term, as he may have first become interested in her sexually after she physically matured, the maturity difference and the position of trust and mentorship (in loco parentis) he was in, engaging in any sort of romantic/sexual relationship is very problematic ethically. It casts into doubt her ability to give informed consent.
Second is the betrayal of his family. Yes, relationships and even marriages end every day. But abdicating your commitment and responsibility to your kids is never a good thing.
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2012/03/03 13:14:17
Subject: The kind of guy you'd love to kick the s$&t out of just by looking at him
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Fixture of Dakka
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@ Mannahnin - It's not a crime though, is it? And it's not why people are so angry, let's face it. They're angry because PAEDO PAEDO PAEDO PAEDO!!!
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Cheesecat wrote:
I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.
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2012/03/03 21:19:07
Subject: The kind of guy you'd love to kick the s$&t out of just by looking at him
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iproxtaco wrote:Frazzled wrote:iproxtaco wrote:Relapse wrote: I'm comparing two guys whose circumstances with being predators I have personal knowledge of with a third that has the same kind of pattern going. It's not a fair comparison. You're passing judgement, which is wrong.
I'm ok with that. Doesn't stop it from being the wrong thing to do.
Debatable. Everyone judges everyone else. It's an integral human thing to do and i highly doubt it's possible to stop it. Though you can not act on your judgement... That's something else...
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2012/03/03 21:58:32
Subject: The kind of guy you'd love to kick the s$&t out of just by looking at him
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purplefood wrote:iproxtaco wrote:Frazzled wrote:iproxtaco wrote:Relapse wrote: I'm comparing two guys whose circumstances with being predators I have personal knowledge of with a third that has the same kind of pattern going. It's not a fair comparison. You're passing judgement, which is wrong.
I'm ok with that. Doesn't stop it from being the wrong thing to do. Debatable. Most things are. Everyone judges everyone else. It's an integral human thing to do and i highly doubt it's possible to stop it. Though you can not act on your judgement... That's something else... Which still doesn't make it right. It's a widely held belief in my city that anyone wearing a tracksuit and a cap during the day, or comes from a specific area, is a criminal. Many are, it's just a characteristic of the the public's general perception of a criminal. Does that mean everyone wearing this outfit or who lives in this area should be tagged with a locator attached to their ankle?
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2012/03/04 00:06:22
Subject: The kind of guy you'd love to kick the s$&t out of just by looking at him
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Its a strange situation to be sure, but I'm not sure that there is any evidence that there was anything wrong going on.
It says they met when she was a freshman. As J-C said earlier that is when you tend to meet your teachers.
It also says that he left his family and hooked up with her when she was 18 and that Police are checking for anything illegal.
Sounds to me like the girl shacked up with a teacher after she turned 18, it creeped her mother out and boom the defacation hit the fan. There doesn't seem to be any evidence that he is a paedo or laid any "groundwork" although the police may find something.
To sum up: Might be something dodgy going on but. IMHO unless there is evidence of dodgy stuff,he is probably just a loser.
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2012/03/04 01:56:47
Subject: The kind of guy you'd love to kick the s$&t out of just by looking at him
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Frazzled wrote:Yep. Having a daughter gives one a different perspective than you might have. Where's Melissia when you need her?
Actually, in legal terms, it makes you less reliable in this case as a jury member, as you'd have more emotional motivations when weighing up evidence than someone who was able to stand back from the situation.
No doubt I'll feel the same as you when I get 'round to having kids of my own, mind, I'm just saying that maybe standing back and weighing what we know and don't know is a better idea.
I can't be on a jury so irrelevant (attorney). Thanks anyway. Automatically Appended Next Post: Johnny-Crass wrote:Frazzled wrote:You forgot about the family he just abandoned.
Then he is doing it right!
That statement is disgusting. Get a grip kid. Automatically Appended Next Post: Mannahnin wrote:A) She is now legally adult and able to consent. There is the chance that they did nothing illegal, and from a legal standpoint there is the presumption of innocence. Given that the police are investigating, there may be evidence to the contrary.
B) Morally, there are multiple issues with his actions.
First is the power imbalance in which their relationship began. While pedophile may not really be the proper term, as he may have first become interested in her sexually after she physically matured, the maturity difference and the position of trust and mentorship (in loco parentis) he was in, engaging in any sort of romantic/sexual relationship is very problematic ethically. It casts into doubt her ability to give informed consent.
Second is the betrayal of his family. Yes, relationships and even marriages end every day. But abdicating your commitment and responsibility to your kids is never a good thing.
Exactamundo.
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2012/03/04 02:01:14
Subject: The kind of guy you'd love to kick the s$&t out of just by looking at him
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Battlefortress Driver with Krusha Wheel
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Frazzled wrote:Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Frazzled wrote:Yep. Having a daughter gives one a different perspective than you might have. Where's Melissia when you need her?
Actually, in legal terms, it makes you less reliable in this case as a jury member, as you'd have more emotional motivations when weighing up evidence than someone who was able to stand back from the situation.
No doubt I'll feel the same as you when I get 'round to having kids of my own, mind, I'm just saying that maybe standing back and weighing what we know and don't know is a better idea.
I can't be on a jury so irrelevant (attorney). Thanks anyway.
Oh. Well, to be fair, there's no way I could have known that.
Feel a bit dumb trying to tell you legal stuff, now. Eh.
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2012/03/04 02:20:12
Subject: The kind of guy you'd love to kick the s$&t out of just by looking at him
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Frazzled wrote:I can't be on a jury so irrelevant (attorney). Thanks anyway.
I once had a partner at a firm get empaneled on a jury. She wasn't especially happy about that.
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2012/03/04 05:47:06
Subject: The kind of guy you'd love to kick the s$&t out of just by looking at him
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Johnny-Crass wrote:Frazzled wrote:You forgot about the family he just abandoned.
Then he is doing it right!
That statement, if meant as a joke, isn't funny on any level. I really hope you don't think that way.
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2012/03/04 06:48:14
Subject: The kind of guy you'd love to kick the s$&t out of just by looking at him
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It was a joke but honestly I think his family is better without him.
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2012/03/04 06:52:52
Subject: The kind of guy you'd love to kick the s$&t out of just by looking at him
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Dwarf High King with New Book of Grudges
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Similarly, I'd proffer that anyone willing to abandon a family isn't a healthy element of the family in the first place.
Hate him all you want, but I've seen plenty of married couples drag out the divorce "for the children" without sparing the younglings any suffering, and in some cases causing them much more.
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2012/03/04 06:55:03
Subject: The kind of guy you'd love to kick the s$&t out of just by looking at him
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dogma wrote:
Hate him all you want, but I've seen plenty of married couples drag out the divorce "for the children" without sparing the younglings any suffering, and in some cases causing them much more.
Being a product of this I agree that the family is far better off without him. Not a pedo or a creep but not a real dad either
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2012/03/04 06:58:55
Subject: The kind of guy you'd love to kick the s$&t out of just by looking at him
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Albatross wrote:@ Mannahnin - It's not a crime though, is it? And it's not why people are so angry, let's face it. They're angry because PAEDO PAEDO PAEDO PAEDO!!!
I already addressed whether it's a crime.
As for why they're angry, it's because teachers sleeping with their high school-age students is normally considered an abuse of trust, power and authority, taking advantage of a vulnerable person who may be no better equipped to give mature consent than an actual child. While there are undoubtedly some students who are capable and mature enough, professional and personal ethics normally mean you don't get into that situation and risk being the guy who's taking advantage of the kid. As the teacher you may believe the kid is mature, but you're inherently in a conflict of interest situation. If you find them sexually appealing, your ability to judge their ability to give informed consent is less reliable. It's a slight step up from a person who cares for the developmentally disabled sleeping with their clients. And while it may well not be actual pedophilia, it's still a bit close for comfort.
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2012/03/04 11:05:14
Subject: The kind of guy you'd love to kick the s$&t out of just by looking at him
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Mannahnin wrote:
As for why they're angry, it's because teachers sleeping with their high school-age students is normally considered an abuse of trust, power and authority, taking advantage of a vulnerable person who may be no better equipped to give mature consent than an actual child.
We don't know that happened, do we?
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Cheesecat wrote:
I almost always agree with Albatross, I can't see why anyone wouldn't.
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2012/03/04 11:10:18
Subject: The kind of guy you'd love to kick the s$&t out of just by looking at him
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Joey wrote:Can't say I blame him...
Just seems like a lucky dude.
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2012/03/04 12:45:24
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Hmm, I don't live all that far from Modesto. BRB kicking this guy's ass.
Seriously though, I can't believe people are defending him or her. She needs help. He needs to be put down. There is no way she turned 18 then all of a sudden this sprung up out of no where. It would take the testimony of a friend or colleague or a few phone call records to make the case, and it's just a matter of finding who will talk.
Even if they don't nail him, he just lost his job, he's going to need to make alimony and child support and she hasn't gone to college. This isn't going to work out. Given how public this is, I doubt anyone is going to hire the creepy guy who started banging his student.
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2012/03/04 13:33:20
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I've not read the thread and don't have a serious comment, but it made me laugh that if they got married and decided to double barrel their names it would be the "Hooker-Powers"
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2012/03/04 15:11:58
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Deranged Necron Destroyer
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Power-Hooker would be better...
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