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 pretre wrote:
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You know, now that I look at it, Juvieus' rumors may be exact rephrases of all the old ork rumors from other people... Hmm...

Before you think it, even though you just have, I didn't in any way shape or form rip these off entire threads. I don't do that - I'm not a dishonest type.

Everything I've put in the OP is what I've been told. Nothing more, nothing less. I can't share the source since the source would be in a lot of trouble if word got out, so that stays very very quiet.

And yes I find it somewhat uncanny it's rumours suggested before.

 Juvieus Kaine wrote:

 pretre wrote:
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You know, now that I look at it, Juvieus' rumors may be exact rephrases of all the old ork rumors from other people... Hmm...

Before you think it, even though you just have, I didn't in any way shape or form rip these off entire threads. I don't do that - I'm not a dishonest type.

Everything I've put in the OP is what I've been told. Nothing more, nothing less. I can't share the source since the source would be in a lot of trouble if word got out, so that stays very very quiet.

And yes I find it somewhat uncanny it's rumours suggested before.

I get what you're saying and even if it "isn't you", it is. That means if your source is just recycling info from other posts or he is the same source other people have used, we have no way of knowing. All we can judge is your accuracy in what you post. I would never ask someone to provide their source's name but I do hold people responsible for what they post.

Some things on here have a high salt value, others not so much.

The rumors regarding Boyz mirror certain other early rumors that Boyz would cost 4 pts naked (I'm assuming they'd come with only a Slugga). You'd then have the option to buy either Choppas for 1 pt each or Shootas for 2 pts each. No information regarding whether that upgrade is mandatory or not. I would suspect it would be mandatory simply from a modeling perspective. We don't have Ork models holding a Slugga and nothing in their other hand.

Same with the FNP 6+ rumor. I suspect this was/is a playtest rule. No idea if it's going to make it into the actual rulebook.

We've heard a lot about Tokens. I think it's safe to assume that 6th Edition Orks will NOT have a Waaagh! rule, and the tokens will be used instead. I've yet to hear anything about what the tokens are used FOR other than possibly mucking with Weirdboy powers. I think it'd be very strange to have an army-wide mechanic revolving around psykers when most Ork armies don't include psykers at all.

The rumors I give a little less salt to are:

Deepstriking MegaNobz - two years ago we had rumors of "Telly-Porta MegaNobz" models. If the model exists, you can bet we'll get it.
Buggy Kit - We've been hearing about new Buggies for almost as long as we waited for Duke Nukem Forever. New model kit rumored a couple years ago was supposed to have a Flakk option. So it makes sense this gets redesigned.
Deffkoptas - we've been hearing about this since the Blackreach box went away, but I don't think anything definitive has ever been seen about them.
Suiggoth Beast - We heard rumors about this model along with the Telly-Porta Meganobz.
Whirly Bird Grot unit - There was a rumor about this model last year. A helicopter unit that dropped units of grots like bombs. It sounded very much like wishlisting at the time. No backup of an actual MODEL for this existing.

A lot of the other things, like the change to Lootas, Flashgitz, Stormboyz; sound too much like wishlisting or early playtest rules to me. I don't trust a list that says "Grots" aren't the same as "Gretchin", because they are. Unless the OP misunderstood, and he meant SNOTLINGS. Snotlings aren't Grots. So it's possible he might be talking about Snotling bases similar to Rippers or Scarabs or Nurglings.

Updated OP again with minor tweaks:

1) It's Grots and Snotlings, not Grots and Gretchin. My mistake
2) Boyz must be either Slugga or Shoota. No fisticuffs I'm afraid

 Juvieus Kaine wrote:
Updated OP again with minor tweaks:

1) It's Grots and Snotlings, not Grots and Gretchin. My mistake
2) Boyz must be either Slugga or Shoota. No fisticuffs I'm afraid

1) Haha! Yes, now it all makes sense

2) Wouldn't boyz be 5pts a model then, if they must take a choppa for 1ppm?

Okay. Sounds plausible for the most part. The abundance of Grotz is somewhat less believable - GW doing tons of new units? Since when did hell freeze over?

All in all, I think the changes are mediocre at best. Not a criticism on you Juvenius, maybe the new units will be more fun than the changes to the mechanics. Ah well, we'll see.

While I am taking these rumours with a ton a salt if these did up being true I would be as happy as a Bad Moon at an all you can eat buffet.

Lots of good things mentioned which has me worried about it being true.

One thing I'd really love to see is a new buggy kit, as well as plastic meganobs. Everything else I'm waiting to see what rings true when the codex finally hits; I think it's still too soon to judge anything based off just rumors.

Rumors they may be, but I choose to be optimistic. Granted, there's good and bad and pure fantasy in the list, but it does offer hope for the future.

Updated War Buggy, War Trakk and Deffkopta models are sorely needed, as well as reasonably priced plastic Meganobz.

I, for one, would welcome anything that helps Orks deal with Flyers, especially Flyer Spam. If that means Stormboyz get the ability to attack Flyers, I'm good with it. A Flakk Gunz unit or Flakk Trakks would also be a very welcomed addition.

The Boyz cost change doesn't make sense. In the previous Codex, Slugga Boys were 9 points each, while Shoota Boyz were 8 points each, which makes sense considering the killyness of Slugga Boyz vs Shoota Boyz. 5 point Slugga Boyz and 6 Point Shoota Boyz are counter intuitive from the killyness perspective.

Bomb Squig units and the ability to SAG Bomb Squigs at an enemy unit sounds hilarious and fun, but I'm not sure how that will unbalance things. I'd be hesitant to use a Bomb Squig unit for fear of things going awry when the little beasties decide to turn on their masters and attack friendly vehicles. Funny for your opponent, but devastating for you.

All in all, I'm just standing by to see what the new Codex brings and hoping for the best.

 BigMekGearGrinda wrote:


The Boyz cost change doesn't make sense. In the previous Codex, Slugga Boys were 9 points each, while Shoota Boyz were 8 points each, which makes sense considering the killyness of Slugga Boyz vs Shoota Boyz. 5 point Slugga Boyz and 6 Point Shoota Boyz are counter intuitive from the killyness perspective.

Did you miss this edition? Random charge ranges, models removed from the front, overwatch shooting even on failed charge rolls, and challenges/precision shots that can pick off Klaw Nobz... Edit: Oh, and I forgot Furious Charge nerf, and the multi-charge nerf.

Plus hull points on Trukks. Slugga Boyz got nothing but nerfs relative to Shoota Boyz, and now Shoota Boyz are even more effective in CC because of overwatch.

Shoota Boyz are superior to Slugga Boyz.

What I'm trying to convey is that Slugga Boyz had superior killyness in the last Codex when compared to Shoota Boyz and from what I understand from the OP, it looks like there would be a shift from the current state back to the previous state. My take regarding cost in the last Codex was that it was based on effectiveness. If the new rules restore the effectiveness of Slugga Boyz close to what it was in the last Codex, then why would Slugga Boyz cost less than Shoota Boyz (not that I'm against the proposed cost delta)? I'm not arguing the effectiveness of Slugga Boyz vs Shoota Boyz in the current edition, only comparing what was to what may come.

I'm sure GW has a better idea of what is coming in the next edition than we do, so it's possible that all of these CC nerfs will stay.

But irrespective of that, the only thing I see in the OP's rumor is a +1 S for choppas, which in and of itself still doesn't really make Sluggas the obviously superior choice to Shootas, since shootas can outshoot sluggas in both defense and offense before the assault and then perform adequately in combat.

Sluggas only really perform in combat, and in light of all of the combat nerfs in 6th ed, +1S and -1p is honestly probably what's required to get people to start using Sluggas again.

The +1S isn't really enough without the point decrease to make them equal to Shootas.

Keep in mind we don't know anything, really, about 7th ed's rules, when it is actually coming, or whether any of the rumors in the OP about the new Ork 'dex are even true.

But in this dex, Slugga Boyz need to be made much more attractive or nobody's going to want to take them.

Source over on Warseer says this is all fabrication.

Avian wrote:
Source over on Warseer says this is all fabrication.

Yeah, but in the 'Seer vs. Dakka war, don't we hold torches against everything they post there?

Remember the other guy we had here a month ago. Had his own rumour thread, just like this guy. Turns out he was making everything up.

Dakka doesn't have a very good record with original sources, unlike Warseer.

I do believe Orks are next after IG, but a lot of these rumours are shifty to me. However the thought of new Ork plastics is very exciting to me indeed. Hoping for a Tankbustas/Flash Gitz dual kit, a plastic weirdboy, plastic meganobz, hopefully not a lackluster release.

Avian wrote:
Remember the other guy we had here a month ago. Had his own rumour thread, just like this guy. Turns out he was making everything up.

Dakka doesn't have a very good record with original sources, unlike Warseer.

Ghost21 begs to differ...

In the grand scheme of things though, who cares? They're rumors right now, with no real way of vetting it until the releases happen.

As the saying goes: I'm just saying.

Avian wrote:
Dakka doesn't have a very good record with original sources, unlike Warseer.

Yeah, hailing ghost21 as the ultimate rumour source, insulting Harry for predicting the Lion chariot and banning those that predict a Tervigon, that's Warseer

Hey, weren't you the guy deriding me for saying BoLS were a bunch of clueless twits not too long ago?

Hey, weren't you the guy attacking every rumour poster on Warseer including Harry, so all rumour posters good or bad now prefer to post on faeit212?

And on BoLS: I just proved you wrong when you claimed that BoLS didn't predict the Hive Guard/ Tyrant Guard dual kit:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1530/545791.page#6234578

Warseer was good during the Brother Frog period. The board had changed significantly, even Harry barely posts now, I'm not sure who the rumour guys are on there.

But then again it's a majority a warhammer board and I've gone really off GW.

Regardless these rumours have been seen before. I would like a Grot army but really doubt that it will ever happen.

Flash Gits possibly, Buggy is needed and I'm sure I saw somebody mentioning a flakk Trukk or something.
( This is not my rumour I'm not taking the flakk for the flakk. )

Avian wrote:
Hey, weren't you the guy deriding me for saying BoLS were a bunch of clueless twits not too long ago?

 Kroothawk wrote:
Hey, weren't you the guy attacking every rumour poster on Warseer including Harry, so all rumour posters good or bad now prefer to post on faeit212?

And on BoLS: I just proved you wrong when you claimed that BoLS didn't predict the Hive Guard/ Tyrant Guard dual kit:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1530/545791.page#6234578

Please apply cold water directly to burn.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Hey, weren't you the guy attacking every rumour poster on Warseer including Harry, so all rumour posters good or bad now prefer to post on faeit212?

You think there are good rumour posters posters on faeit? You ARE delusional.

Regardless of rumour veracity, a reduction in points for Boyz would amuse me.

Make existing collections cheaper in points, so they have to buy something else to fill out their army, is a standard GW ploy usually seen in Fantasy releases.

 Flashman wrote:
Regardless of rumour veracity, a reduction in points for Boyz would amuse me.

Make existing collections cheaper in points, so they have to buy something else to fill out their army, is a standard GW ploy usually seen in Fantasy releases.

At least fantasy has movement trays to compensate moving hundreds of models around. But really its every Ork players dream to have a truly massive horde of boys (mine at least) It will be a pain in the wallet and a whole lot more painting to do but it will be awesome in the end if this does come into fruition. I don't have any problem waking my opponent up in the shooting phase

Edit: forgot to add that most long time ork players have the extra boys already anyway, especially extra slugga boys as people made the transition from Slugga/choppa to shootas.

A lot of it sounds to good/complicated to be true, but the part about Stormboys attacking flyers...

Come on guys, you know you want it.




A good way to predict which rumors are true and which aren't is looking at what GW has been doing these last few years. We can certainly expect a new "big" kit, so a Squiggoth of some sort sounds plausible.

I just hope that if we get new Meganobz (which we totally should) they'll stay on 40mm bases. I just converted mine from Centurions but didn't use the new bigger bases that came with them.

 Flashman wrote:
Regardless of rumour veracity, a reduction in points for Boyz would amuse me.

Make existing collections cheaper in points, so they have to buy something else to fill out their army, is a standard GW ploy usually seen in Fantasy releases.

I don' think that is going to be a problem in this case. Most Ork players I know have way too many Orks to even use all of them in even a larger game to begin with, unless it is in some sort of large Apocalypse game. Accordingly, most Ork players won't suddenly only have 1,000 point armies that they will need to buy stuff for, but their 8,000 point armies will now only be 7,000 point armies, and they will buy all of the new stuff anyways (but not because they need to make up points).

I love the picture, Anung- it just inspired me to want more.

Storm boyz are good... but GW can do better.

Storm Squiggoth!

 Gitzbitah wrote:

Storm Squiggoth!

In da pipe, five by five...



Also, other than the no brainer stuff, like the meganobs, I'm leery of these rumors, especially the abundance of grot stuff. I remain very keen to see what the new 'big' unit for orks will be. I'm hoping for a tank, rather than a walker.