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The idea behind the plastic characters is that you will be able to make 2 or 3 variants from each boxed set with loads of customisation for players using other kits. The other commercial aspect is that while tools are expensive, plastic isn't and the casting is easy and quick. You would be suprised how cost effective it is. We are probably going to have just the goblins available first of all with the hardback rules, plastic characters, metal and resin models as stretch goals along with the other faction boxed sets. We will need to make lots of money for the Zombie abomination boxed set to be available. We have enough time booked with the manufacturers to make two boxed sets.

Exchanged a few PM's with Kaine and I am now very very very excited for this Kickstarter.

I can't elaborate much on why I'm excited due to promising my silence, but I'm already itching to hit the pledge button.

Advice - Start saving money. As soon as the launch date is confirmed, mark it in the calendar. You are going to want to be in on this.

So they've acquiesced to all of your demands, I see?

Not quite, my several dozen requests for hard plastic unicorns cast in glittery HIPS fell on deaf ears.

Anyway, this is going to be awesome, my wallet may not agree though, especially if all 4 factions get funded.

Also, considering the Underdeep setting, anyone who already has or is getting Dwarven Forge terrain (or the upcoming battlesystems fantasy stuff) is probably going to be rather happy with this since it'll be a perfect fit.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Anyway, this is going to be awesome, my wallet may not agree though, especially if all 4 factions get funded.

Are drow one of those factions? Blink once for yes.

Thanks for the kind words Squig.... and your demands for glittery unicorns were not totally ignored (keep a look out for out next My Little Pony unicorns and the Were "care" Bear set).

The focus of the KS is Goblins and their kin with stretch goals adding more factions to the pool. i think we will only do three for this Kickstarter with more factions coming in the future.

This time we will be focusing on:

Goblins and Goblin-kind (Goblins, Hobgoblins and Bugbears)
Zombie Abominations (Zombie Gravewalkers, Flesh Golems and Zombie Hulks)
Lizardkin (Kobolds, Lizardkin and Deathscales - Giant Lizardkin Warriors)

The stretch goals will unlock the last two plastic boxed sets and the resulting metal/resin models and packs as well. There will be tonnes of addons available too so stay tuned!!! Keep an eye on our face book page at present and you will see the Goblin Skulk Limited Edition KS sculpt going up soon with some WIP shots too.


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Oh and to answer the next question, when we succeed with the KS (and I HOPE we will), the next KS will focus on three new factions of which Drow will be making an appearance. Remember the first KS needs to happen for these to be released so your support would make a great difference to us. We will be looking at putting some spider bodies in with this kit too!!!

@Alex: I have no idea, think Drow are definitely one of the more commercially viable picks out the list posted though, since there's a direct analogue for Warhammer/ KoW with that faction, with neither company really hitting the right mark or even coming close to the D&D roots/ atmosphere of the faction.

And it'd be a great opportunity to properly do the Drow as subterranean elves with a thoroughly creepy art design rather than the boring "elves with spikes" approach that everyone else takes.

Ratmen are another one that could have potential from the perspective of both the game world and selling a mountain of sprues to skaven players.
Again, it's another classic that could be taken somewhere interesting and possibly take inspiration from properly gribbly rodents such as the star-nosed mole rather than the cartoon hamster style of the GW skaven.

The subterranean setting offers quite a lot I think and really marks it as unique from the start.

There's potential for tentacled horrors lurking in underground lakes, fire demons from the deep (Balrog style) as well as some more fantastical "journey to the centre of the earth" style craziness (the novel, not the movies has some rather cool stuff like electrically-charged gas condensing around the cavern ceilings providing lighting).

@Kaine - Ah, three factions is the plan? Sounds good. I'll be in for a titanic goblin horde and smaller skirmish sets of the other two.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Ratmen are another one that could have potential from the perspective of both the game world and selling a mountain of sprues to skaven players.
Again, it's another classic that could be taken somewhere interesting and possibly take inspiration from properly gribbly rodents such as the star-nosed mole rather than the cartoon hamster style of the GW skaven.

I would argue against that one - rats, ratmen and wererats are more an Urban Underground thing than a Cave Underground thing.

I'll take rats over Drow any old day, but I'm just pleased that the lizards will have a shot at being part of the initial Kickstarter.

Your deathscales sound intriguing, and if you end up having any armored lizardmen than I know where all my money is going.

Quite honestly though, based on what we've seen so far, I'm very excited to see what all the factions will look like!

I like the concept art so far. If renders/sculpts/prints turn out faithful to the concept art, I think this is going to be a cool line. Identifiable with traditional representations of monsters, but also looking fresh and new.

I won't offer any advise about how to develop products for the miniature market though. I honestly don't know what type of approach a new participant in the market should take other than people like obvious buy-in points and in a Kickstarter, there should probably be a sweet spot.

A sweet spot with manageable stretch goals.

I think one question that needs to be asked is what currency would the campaign run in?

I would assume in pounds since you guys are based in England, right? There isn't any denying though that when people see those dollars signs the pledges do seem to rise up a bit more.

I don't know what it entails to have a UK based company have a US currency campaign though. Mantic always seems to be able to do it though.

I don't know if it is possible for a KS to run both here and across the pond with a simple currency converted price?? That would seem logical but I have not seen if that is possible or not.

Ratmen may be a possibility but we have a long list of other factions that we are already designing. Orcs will be one the next KS goals for us after the initial KS, provided all things go well. We will be doing something very different with them! They will be miles away from the GW alternative!

28mm Minion Miniatures! Finally

Awesome!

@Kroothawk: Please remove the second gif from your post. It's five bloody megabytes.

 Kroothawk wrote:
28mm Minion Miniatures! Finally

Except they're not actual minions, consequently I have literally no interest in this product range.

They're goblins! Paint 'em yellow and blue and you can call it "close enough". It has been done with smurfs.

It can be done
http://hivezero.blogspot.de/2013/04/adepticon-2013-part-1-my-favorite-army.html

Thats pretty awesome /scary

What the big wheel supposed to be representing?

 sing your life wrote:
What the big wheel supposed to be representing?

A Doomwheel, probably.

Now quit posting off-topic stuff.

I have had the first photo's back from the sculptor in regard to the greens and they look great. Should have a full image to post very soon so you can see how the concept art has been portrayed in miniature. 3up work will be starting within the next month and we even have some really nice full colour artwork coming shortly too. Keep an eye out!

I'm excited to see them Kaine!

Scared by Squig's enthusiasm. He usually doesn't veer to far off from my own tastes... except for the ponies.

If it's as good as he thinks, then hopefully this will raise enough to hit those lizard boxes. That's all I care about, regardless of how nice the goblins look.

Gimme a date so I can mark my calendar already!

At the moment the best I can say is it will likely be August this year.

@highlord: It's going to be wonderful. One of those "no-brainer, just hit the pledge button already" Kickstarters.

I don't normally make memes, but here's one that I think will accurately sum up the average reaction to this KS launch:



@Kaine: August sounds good, should give you some more time to get some sculpts sorted and the rules tested... and the hype train up to full steam.

Might even be able to save up £300 or so for it by then (yes, this is going to be one of those kickstarters where you wonder where your $500 went).

Thanks Squig. Provided the initial Kickstarter goes well will will also be making some terrain, possibly in plastic and or resin. The idea here will be to make some stalagtite and stalagmite clusters, some tombs and other bits. This has already been discussed, but you are quite right, there is so much out there at the moment. We also envisage there being surface raids against Sunsider farmsteads where two rival factions could fight. The rule book will be packed with scenario options.

We wanted the rules system to allow you to play the game in caverns, swamps, woodlands, sewer systems....whatever you want. During play tests we have found the game plays best on a 4x4 or 6x4 table. We usually use 4x4 with smaller forces. Most of our games are played out with large rock formations, stalagmites and stalagtites etc, generally on our battleboards painted grey to represent the inside of a cave system. You can expect at least twelve different scenarios in the book (if the stretch goal is hit of course).

We will be releasing the rules pdf a couple of weeks before the Kickstarter starts which will be available from our upcoming website and from the Kickstarter page. This will be a basic interpretation of the rules to allow you guys to get started. It will have the stats in for most of the basic troops types from the three factions available in the kickstarter.

Each boxed set and blister will come with the models stats on cards to enable you to use them effectively whilst playing the game. There will also be a stretchgoal in the Kickstarter that will be a deck of cards giving magical weapon upgrade to characters.

What kind of bases sizes are we looking at with these guys?

The rules use 25mm round bases but they will be supplied with your choice of 25mm round or 20mm square bases for the goblins, or 25mm square for the larger infantry. The bugbears and other "Brutes" as they will be known will be supplied with 35mm round or square bases. Your choice.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
What the big wheel supposed to be representing?

A Doomwheel, probably.

Expect the army uses the Chaos Dwarf rules, so they couldn't have Doomwheels.

Now quit posting off-topic stuff.

I wasn't posting off-topic stuff, Kroothawk was posting off topic, I was commentating on his post.

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