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 Alex C wrote:
We've almost unlocked 5 free trays!

Get in while the you can!

It's IF they hit £30k, then what...

quote=Bubbatron 605232 7077240 null]Plus an extra case for £3 - bargain ! Been looking at the kr cases for eldar and its given me a good guide what ill need !

Haha you could say that ! I went out in for 10 the day it launched !

Really appreciate that, hopefully I will be a contender among the top 2.

The biggest concern for this project seems to be the low shipping cost which may bite you in the ass which in turn could bite us in the ass. I know you've addressed the concern by saying you'd like to get your product out there which is very admirable, but is there any chance you could confirm that you've investigated and are positive you can do it, especially internationally, at the prices you've listed? I was erring to "yes" because in general, UK prices include VAT, but for international buyers VAT isn't charged so it instead goes to subsidising shipping. That combined with the light weight and good form factor of the cases (nice clean cubiod) should make them lower cost overall, would like confirmation if possible.

Secondly, will shipping include outside padding to prevent damage to the outside of the cases, specifically corners? These cardboard cases will be fine with careful handling but will be more susceptible to damage if treated poorly than your typical hard cases. Shipping companies are often less than careful with their handling so it is a concern I'd like to know you've thought about and addressed.

Updated my pledge to get another case.

Tyron, if you were interested in following other community discussions on your KS, here are a couple from Aussie forums: Westgamer where I arranged our group buy and WargamerAU which I started later but hasn't seen much discussion yet.

 Yonan wrote:
The biggest concern for this project seems to be the low shipping cost which may bite you in the ass which in turn could bite us in the ass.

I understand your concerns, however I have assured to many people I am using RM at the moment and their price calculator informs me it will cost £7.45 to ship each product which I factored into the price. I think a lot of people who have this concern are not used to startups/companies taking the majority of the shipping cost instead of letting customers take the hit, and make smaller margins.

I believe I can bring something to the table for wargamers and although my way of thinking is very different from the big 2, I will always try to get the balance right for all of us and with that approach it should put me up there with them and hopefully ahead. After all I don't create for me, I create for you

 Yonan wrote:
Secondly, will shipping include outside padding to prevent damage to the outside of the cases, specifically corners? These cardboard cases will be fine with careful handling but will be more susceptible to damage if treated poorly than your typical hard cases. Shipping companies are often less than careful with their handling so it is a concern I'd like to know you've thought about and addressed.

At the moment I am using bubble wrap but will look into alternative solutions. It will be quite a while before international backers get their cases (over 6000 trays to glue)which will give me time to find a good solution.

 Yonan wrote:
Tyron, if you were interested in following other community discussions on your KS, here are a couple from Aussie forums: Westgamer where I arranged our group buy and WargamerAU which I started later but hasn't seen much discussion yet.

Thanks for the links. I had a look and you have a good community going there, so I hope you all like the product.

 bubber wrote:
Updated my pledge to get another case.

Thanks, really appreciate it.

Best wishes on the KS!

1. After the KS is over, compile what trays backers ordered for what game systems. Myself, I haven't gotten around to determining which trays I would want for my various games, so haven't pledged. A "one click" solution would get us lazier backers to pledge!

2. Some major bulk-mini's KS this year that haven't shipped their mini's yet include CMON Zombicide 3, Mantic Dungeon Saga, Reaper Bones, Dwarven Forge, etc. Maybe discuss on company forums configurations for foam cases for storage needs.

3. Contact various companies to offer foam cases during their KS. Reaper had Outrider Hobbies make foam cases for them (although this didn't work out because of problems with glue).

Good luck!

Thanks,

Yeah I will do some compiling to help me with future products.

I hope you do pledge because you're getting some good deals (probably the best for cases out there) and wouldn't want you to miss out.

Some game companies/developers have approached me which is really nice and Reaper are aware of me, but I literally can't do anything until November because of the big orders, uni etc.

Thanks again.

I'm in for 2 X-Wing sets

For the shipping; could you get away with thin plastic/ corrugated card corner pieces like you get on picture frames etc? It shouldn't add much weight or size, and should take most of the corner damage.

Yeah I am going to the manufacturer monday to sort this very thing out.

Thanks for your pledge

Do the larger "cylinder" trays also have pick n pluck foam ? It looks like it from the image

Yes they do.

Only 8 hours left people.

Over 30K, very nice! our group order is up to 18 cases for 11 people now. It'd probably be worthwhile for us to split the order in two for more freebies but ehh, too much hassle.

I wouldn't be surprised if others are abusing my generosity


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Under an hour left people!

Well done

I just spotted the update saying if I want an extra case for the free trays I need to add £3, though I've already paid. There are enough free trays in a £40 pledge to fill another box now? If so, can I paypal you the missing £3 to top up my pledge?

Thanks, never thought it'd reach £35k+ so very happy with that.

If you could send me a message on here with your name, pledge and tray loadouts I'll sort something out.

Cheers

The pledge manager and survey is out for this. Very tempted to add another couple cases, the X-Wing trays came out great ; )

Uploaded the .xlsx to OneDrive so our group can put in their selections. Very easy way to manage 12 people and 18 cases.

Update #14 - Pledge Manager Uplpoaded
Update #15 - Photos of finished trays.
Update #16 - Sending out Surveys
Update #17 - Addons

Spoiler for very long image of trays.

Looks nice. Shame you're on the other side of the country or I might be asking to add an X-Wing case or two to your haul!

Yeah it was time I sorted some proper storage these look like they'll work well ; ) I've placed my X-Wing order so I'll be picking up an X-Wing case too as they do look great. 30+ fighters, 4 large ships and all the tokens and stuff in one neat package. Shipping in Aus would kill the savings I imagine and I don't think any easties took up the suggestion of a group buy when I posted this on WAU.

Let me pull this out for a second.

This project had a shipping date of September 2014. I've still not recceived anything up to this point.
Yes, the creator is just a single guy and yes, there seemed to be a problem with the british post service (I'm German, so that really should not have any effect on me).

I asked him out and stated my displeasure.

He kicked me out of the project and refunded the money.

...

People tried to protect him with "he's my friend! He's a nice guy" Like I care?! He was/is building up a professional company and a company has to work in a professional way, otherwise it dies quite quickly.

You know, I really would've liked to get the cases. I never had any problems with the product, just the Kickstarter.



tl;dr
Kicking out and removing unpleased costumers is pityful.

The creator of the project asked for £1000. He stated he hoped to get to £3000. He ended up in the region of £35,000.

He is also 1 guy. He tried to hire help but had no luck. The warehouse he works out of was closed over the holidays.

He was both wildly successful and has had to work alone to fulfill. I don't fault him for being late.

How exactly did you "state your displeasure"? I'm not saying his attitude was entirely justified but I'm sure there's more to it than you present and doubt he told you to feth off simply for making an inquiry.

Jan Goldbeck about 9 hours ago
And I'd like to see the cases in my posession... It's taking way too long in my opinion. I know the success has been bigger than anticipated, but come on.


Creator Mantis Creations about 4 hours ago
You'll have to wait like everyone else Jan. I'm still resolving the City Link issue. Be patient. ..


Jan Goldbeck about 4 hours ago
That issue shouldn't effect me as a non UK costumer who has been waiting for 4 more months than orignally planed.


Mike Earley about 4 hours ago
I think a lot of this is out of Tyron's control. City Link for one, and his warehouse being closed during holiday for another. I haven't gotten my 2 cases in the US either, and I'm excited to get them, but I'm willing to be patient and trust Tyron. He is a friend of mine, I speak with him regularly, and basically he is constantly stressed about doing the right thing and making sure everything is taken care of properly, so just know his attention is on this as much as you want it to be.


Creator Mantis Creations about 3 hours ago
Appreciate it Mike. I know you and many others understand and trust me enough to be a patient with me.


Jan Goldbeck about 3 hours ago
He is not a friend of mine. He is a company I entrusted with my money for a September release. I understand that problems occurred, but I don't see that as a reason to be this late.
Again, he is not my friend. Why would you even mention that?


And 5 minutes later my pledge had been deleted.

Is this your first Kickstarter pledge?

Not trying to be snarky here but I too have pledged and with my past experiences I'm perfectly fine with how things have gone.

Shipping has already started there have been some hiccups out of the creators control but things look good to have the cases in the near future.

This is a hell of a lot better than the other minis foam Kickstarter I backed which appears to have just taken our money and ran.

I've pledged for a good dozend kickstarters. Most of them have been late. I've stated my displeasure with all of them.

That still does not give creators the freedom to be late. It's your project, you set the timeframe, it's purely your responsibility to achive that goal.

So what would you have him do? Treat you as any more special than any other backer and put you to the front of the line? Businesses generally don't do that because it opens the floodgates for everyone else expecting the same result.

He has a system, is shipping product out and international/large orders are taking a back burner to domestic. I have no issue with that. We just have to be patient.

Well it's not ideal, but it's always a risk you take when you criticise a business owner, irrespective of who is right ot wrong he may not want to continue to do busniness with you

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/932371889/mantis-model-storage-case/comments

If exchanges in the comments (I can't see the updates) are anything to go he may well be very stressed with how (if at all) he can get a bunch of packages back from the now defunct courier city link

(this may well not be quick or cheap as stuff can be collected IF the customer or sender in near a depot and IF city link know where it is, but the administators are already selling off bits of the business and are unlikely to be able to provide anything for lost goods)

so giving you a refund may be the best way for him to deal with this as he's going to need time and patience from the backers that have still to get stuff as he tries to track down and retrieve stuff...

As a new firm there is probably not enough money to refund everybody if they all start asking for one so keeping the comments calm will be important

 Alex C wrote:
So what would you have him do? Treat you as any more special than any other backer and put you to the front of the line? Businesses generally don't do that because it opens the floodgates for everyone else expecting the same result.

He has a system, is shipping product out and international/large orders are taking a back burner to domestic. I have no issue with that. We just have to be patient.

Give me a fixed and final delivery date. Simpel as that.
Explain his situation to me, I might understand it better than.

I was patient for more than 4 months. I think that is quite a long time.

Again: Just because many other kickstarters are late IS NOT AN EXCUSE TO BE LATE.

He has explained his situation.

First, he could not find help.

Then the warehouse he was renting space at closed for the holiday.

Now the delivery company he was using went under.

Delivery is underway. He does not have a concrete delivery date for everyone because he has to deal with Citylink dissolving and rework his delivery plans. Previously he had stated that he was starting with the domestic/smaller orders and working through them.