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**winterwind85**

Remember when people started complaining about gw?
seriously...

**the_Armyman**

Remember when they sold bitz?

Remember when they sold bitz at Games Day?

Remember when they sold bitz by the pound at Games Day?

They brought bins and bins of metal bitz and loose plastic sprues straight from the warehouse in Glen Burnie. They setup tables in the store area with these wooden display boards that had dozens of little bitz glued to the board with a corresponding code. You took an order sheet and little pencil from the table, filled it with the code numbers you wanted, and handed it to a staff member. They picked your order, weighed it, and you took it to the cashier.

You got exactly what you wanted (no mistakes), you could see it before you bought it (no miscasts), and you got all sorts of conversion ideas just by looking at the hundreds of cool bitz. You want 30 meltaguns? No problem. You just want the plastic wheel sprue from the Chimera? Sure. You just want the metal bitz to convert a standard Leman Russ into a Leman Russ Demolisher? Okey dokey artichokey.

**Pouncey**

The Wise Dane wrote:
Pouncey wrote:
I remember when I was such a newb that after going up against my first Ork-playing opponent, I thought that all flamethrower weapons could be used as power weapons in melee. : D

Wow, the flamer would be even more deadly when charged then!

Well, it was 3rd at the time, so Overwatch wasn't a current rule.

**The Wise Dane**

Pouncey wrote:
The Wise Dane wrote:
Pouncey wrote:
I remember when I was such a newb that after going up against my first Ork-playing opponent, I thought that all flamethrower weapons could be used as power weapons in melee. : D

Wow, the flamer would be even more deadly when charged then!

Well, it was 3rd at the time, so Overwatch wasn't a current rule.

Yeah, I guess. Looking back (As far as I can, Uncharted Territory after all), it all sounds kinda swell. Not better, but... Better. Hard to explain. For example, I kinda hate that I'll never get to play Epic, because I feel that is the actual scale 40K works best on, or at least the scale represented in stories about Vraks, Damocles Crusade, Defence of Ultramar and so forth. The small games we have with a few hundred models at best being lead by big-time leaders like Creed or Eldrad just seems... Off.

**Poly Ranger**

I remember when I actually looked forward to the monthly release of WD. When there was always at least 1 battle report, interviews of players and usually some article on army collection.

**Jehan-reznor**

I remember a time when you bought equipment with points you had to role a table to see what you got.

I remember a time when smoke grenades were nasty (spam smoke grenades then jump over them attacking the enemy)

I remember a time when i could afford GW just with side jobs in school.

I remember a time when people accepted that other people have different opinion than their own.

I remember a time when genestealers were not associated with the tyranids and had covens.

I remember a time when Imperial guard had beastmen

**Windchild**

They had a blog that gave insight into GW?

This diorama was my favorite thing on the blog, showcasing the conversion used in its making:
http://apocalypse40k.blogspot.ca/2012/11/space-wolves-fortess-at-warhammer-world.html

**Lord Castellan**

Crimson Devil wrote:
I remember when I was a White Knight....

I'll tell thee everything I can;
There's little to relate.
I saw an aged, aged man,
A-sitting on a gate...

**Crimson Devil**

Exalted my good man.

**ThatSwellFella**

Remember when Black templars had their own codex?
Remember when there were tons of kickbutt quotes in every few pages of your codex?
Remember the potms vindicators?
Remember the Chappy with termi armor and 6 powerfist attacks on the charge, paired with EW, for only 195 pts?
Remember when you were anticipating, not soiling your pants in fear for the new codex? (Sorry i am newb here, and i am looking at the posts about shooting armies like tau being UP...)Yup, i picked both the wrong army and time to enter hobby...

**Graxous**

I remember genestealer cultists

I remember getting a bonus to hit with shooting if you were in closer range

I remember Lictor's flesh hooks grabbing a model and dragging it closer

I remember (and still have) the cardboard ork dreadnaught

I remember Squats

I remember Feral Orks

I remember vortex grenades were tossed around like it was no big deal

I remember when Old One Eye was the most unstoppable thing in my army....he ate so many tanks, and monoliths.

**Mozzamanx**

I remember when Chaos Marines had this lovely little thing to look forward to:

I also remember opening the 4th Edition book and the pain that came with it.

**spunkybass**

Remember when an Alaitoc Ranger Force could kill/pin/put units into reserve even before the game started?
Remember when you could just buy BFG, Necromunda, Epic, etc from GW?

**DarknessEternal**

Remember when there were no army lists? I do.

**vipoid**

DarknessEternal wrote:
Remember when there were no army lists? I do.

What do you mean?

**Verviedi**

vipoid wrote:
DarknessEternal wrote:
Remember when there were no army lists? I do.

What do you mean?

Rogue Trader or Second Edition, I think.

**Da Boss**

There were army lists in Second Edition.

Remember when you could play a full scale system invasion in BFG followed by a planetary assault in Epic followed by a vital battle over an important objective in 40K followed by a tense skirmish over a small complex using necromunda or Inquisitor?

**Verviedi**

Da Boss wrote:
There were army lists in Second Edition.

Remember when you could play a full scale system invasion in BFG followed by a planetary assault in Epic followed by a vital battle over an important objective in 40K followed by a tense skirmish over a small complex using necromunda or Inquisitor?

Yes. Never played Necromunda, Gorkamorka, or Inquistor though.

**Wayniac**

Remember when...

Index Astartes had special rules for (almost) every founding Space Marine Chapter?

A 1,500 point Space Marine army was around 25 guys?

VORTEX GRENADES. That is all.

Stacking conversion fields, displacer fields and the other kind whose name I forget to get consecutive rerollable invuln saves (This actually might have been illegal, can't remember)

Buying Combat Squads was allowed via White Dwarf for the purposes of playing 500 point 40k games

White Dwarf told you to basically rip up the Virus Outbreak strategy card because it could wipe out your opponent's entire army before the game began

Strategy Cards in general, and Mission Cards with each player having a different objective (if anything should have come back, it should have been these)

Tyranids had special mission cards including one that was basically the game lasted 6 turns, the Tyranid player got to recycle units and if his opponent had anything alive at the end, he won otherwise the Tyranid player won (I still fondly remember a game versus my brother's Nids where I had one guy left at the tail end of Turn 6, and rolled one less on his save than I needed for him to survive)

Tyranids got special effects at the start of the game. Jones is Acting Strangely...

The Eldar Falcon was available only from Armorcast in a resin kit and had different rules that required your opponent's permission to field

**docdoom77**

Verviedi wrote:
vipoid wrote:
DarknessEternal wrote:
Remember when there were no army lists? I do.

What do you mean?

Rogue Trader or Second Edition, I think.

Just Rogue Trader and only in the early days. White Dwarfs and supplements added army lists (actually several versions). By the end of Rogue Trader, the rules were almost second edition.

I loved playing RT in the early days. We'd roll up some random squads with random equipment and go at it!

I remember toughness 3 marines with 4+ saves (5+ more often than not, since nearly every basic weapon had a -1 save modifier) and them being more psychotic killers who where psycho-conditioned to behave, rather than warrior monks (though there was a little of that feel).

I remember when Eldar were pirates and mercenaries because they got bored on the craftworld, rather than aspect warriors and farseers guiding the universe in secret.

I remember Squats (and I loved the lil buggers).

I remember power fields on every vehicle worth it's salt (gave it a 2+ invulnerable save) and I remember the rules for sneaking a shot through while the power field was flickering to let outgoing fire through.

I remember Ogryns with memorable quotes like: "Dib dib dib. Dob dob dob." Lol

I remember Orks as mean and hateful creatures and then as awesome, fun and ridiculous (Waaaargh Da Orks! anyone?). I remember Orks who were better at getting in short range and shooting, than getting in 'and ter 'and.'

I remember Zoats.

I remember when the Imperial Mantra was: "Purge the Mutant"

I remember a book FULL of homages to popular Sci-Fi books and movies.

I remember amazing, unique and fun b&w art that came straight from the artists' imaginations.

That's the good stuff.

I also remember games that took all day with only a handful of models.

The equivalent of overwatch but at BS -1 on EVERY darn charge.

Vehicles that never died (RT) and Vehicles that died to just about any hit strong enough to bust the armor and then exploding turrets on top of your own general (2nd edition).

I remember close combats worked out one model at a time (2nd).

I remember the pain of models in a unit blocking LOS to each other.

I remember half my army being removed by Tyranids before the game starts (2nd)

I remember too much.

**H.B.M.C.**

Remember when units had additional stats, including Intelligence, Willpower and, yes, "Cool"?

**vipoid**

Verviedi wrote:
Rogue Trader or Second Edition, I think.

Ah.

I started late into 3rd edition, so I don't actually remember that. :S

**H.B.M.C.**

Mozzamanx wrote:
I remember when Chaos Marines had this lovely little thing to look forward to:

Spoiler:

I also remember opening the 4th Edition book and the pain that came with it.

What are you talking about? There was no 4th Edition Chaos Codex. It never, ever happened. Ever. There was the 3.5 Codex, and the one we have now.

**MWHistorian**

I've never been one for nostalgia. I started in RT but I don't long for the return to it. Some things are better, some things are worse. For me, the bad now outweighs the good, by a large margin.

For the price, I expect a much better product.

I remember loving the game.

**squidhills**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Mozzamanx wrote:
I remember when Chaos Marines had this lovely little thing to look forward to:

Spoiler:

I also remember opening the 4th Edition book and the pain that came with it.

What are you talking about? There was no 4th Edition Chaos Codex. It never, ever happened. Ever. There was the 3.5 Codex, and the one we have now.

There's a new Chaos Codex? When did that happen? I've been playing with the 3.5 book since forever and lamenting the fact that Tau, Necrons, and Dark Eldar all got new army books before Chaos did.

**docdoom77**

Ooh. Just remembered some stuff.

I remember when Leman Russ was a simple space marine commander with an osmotic gill and the Space Wolves were the example chapter of a typical Space Marine Chapter.

I remember when Marneus Calgar was so physically broken, that he never left Macragge.

I remember when Orks were interested in stealing jewels from a farm on Rynn's world.

**vipoid**

I remember when IG actually got a discount on melee weapons, compared to marines.

**ZebioLizard2**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Mozzamanx wrote:
I remember when Chaos Marines had this lovely little thing to look forward to:

Spoiler:

I also remember opening the 4th Edition book and the pain that came with it.

What are you talking about? There was no 4th Edition Chaos Codex. It never, ever happened. Ever. There was the 3.5 Codex, and the one we have now.

Wow I had forgotten that they had separate costs for aspiring champions rather then base IC's, wish they'd do that again considering that a 15 point investment on an aspiring champ isn't as good as one on a Chaos Lord..Ditto Astra Militarium.

**H.B.M.C.**

ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Wow I had forgotten that they had separate costs for aspiring champions rather then base IC's, wish they'd do that again considering that a 15 point investment on an aspiring champ isn't as good as one on a Chaos Lord..Ditto Astra Militarium.

It's almost as if they factored in what model would use the weapon when working out its cost, rather than just looking at the weapon itself. What a novel idea.

**vipoid**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's almost as if they factored in what model would use the weapon when working out its cost, rather than just looking at the weapon itself. What a novel idea.

Ha! What madness. Next you'll be telling me that a 35pt Rhino shouldn't pay the same for Extra Armour as a 240pt Land Raider.