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Wasn't Hawk at the LVO? Did anyone take any pictures of upcoming stuff at the booth (assuming they had it there)? I haven't seen any coverage of much of anything beyond 40k tourney results from the LVO. I was hoping they'd have more pics of the new Phoenix command gunship model for the UCM.

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I would expect a lot of news from Salute in April, but I'll try to snag some pics at AdeptiCon later this month.
   
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I expect we will see more on the new generic command units very soon. They are supposedly going up for sale in March. They also have new infantry and small vehicle sets coming out over the next couple months.

Also, from Faeit 212: http://natfka.blogspot.com/2015/02/dropzone-commander-new-units.html

Yesterday we laid out the Dropzone Commander release schedule. In it was revealed many new things that have not really been discussed and a few that had been seen in early concept art at the latest shows. I had some time with Hawk Wargames and have some great details on what is coming in the near future of the game. Fans of the game will be thrilled by the creative new units that are coming over the next few months.


There are new infantry/small vehicle units being released in three waves coming for each faction. While the three waves are all separated by months, I dont have which of these units will come out in which month. So here we go, separated by faction, what is on the horizon for Dropzone Commander.

If you missed the release schedule yesterday. here is your link.
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2015/02/dropzone-commander-6-month-release.html

UCM- Infantry
-2 power suit variants; one anti-tank and the other anti-air. These are like mortar teams.
-The third one takes a unique position of a Heavy Choice with Heavy Railguns. Think 2, 3 man squads
I may have some things mis-interpreted here regarding the UCM. My notes got a little jumbled here. There are three new infantry units though, and the Heavy Infantry choice with Heavy Railguns is in there.

PHR- Infantry
-A specialized ultra elite 1 man infantry base who commands drones. Apparently the models are very dynamic and there was some excitement over this one. These guys specialize in clearing buildings.
-This one is based off the immortal longreach rifle. Instead of 1 longreach rifle per base, this squad will have 5 longreach rifles per base. With shaped charges and a 24" range vs counter measures, these guys will be very cool.
-the last one is a jump/jet pack unit. These guys are not as good as sirens, but come with twin guns, and the ability to jump across streets from one building to the other.

Shaltari- Infantry/Vehicles
-Specialists heavy warsuits that are too big to go into buildings. 2x the size of normal warsuits and are considered small vehicles. There are two variants of this model, a flamer based one, and an anti-tank version.
-a new slave race that will be a cheap infantry choice for Shaltari. They are not as strong as the standard shaltari infantry, but come cheap, but must be taken in squads of 4 bases.The cool things about these guys is they have been retrofitted with teleportation devices and shoulder mounted guns.

Scourge-infantry
-Flying creatures (the dragon like things we saw in the concept art), are small flying like prowlers. Meaning they are move quickly and have a CC anti-air attack. They come 8 to a blister.
-Ground Based Creature that is ravager sized. It was 2-3 per blister on this.
-CC Destroyer that sound devastating in CQB. It will be interesting to not have the guns that I so much very like, and instead rely upon their Close Quarter fighting.

Resistance- I believe there are supposed to be 3, but only two were in my notes. Either I missed this one or we skimmed over it during the conversation.
-Quad Bikes that are small vehicles for scouting.
-Small vehicle armed with grenade launchers.

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 RiTides wrote:
I would expect a lot of news from Salute in April, but I'll try to snag some pics at AdeptiCon later this month.


Thanks. I agree that we'll see more at Salute and likely Adepticon as well but I thought it was a bit odd for them to travel thousands of miles to be at a convention and not have any coverage. I had hoped some of the attendees might post something here in the thread if I posted a gentle nudge as well. *fingers crossed* The only coverage I saw from their invasion open day over in the UK was some very mediocre footage from a cell phone over at a satellite beasts of war youtube channel.


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I expect we will see more on the new generic command units very soon. They are supposedly going up for sale in March. They also have new infantry and small vehicle sets coming out over the next couple months.

Also, from Faeit 212: http://natfka.blogspot.com/2015/02/dropzone-commander-new-units.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow"> http://natfka.blogspot.com/2015/02/dropzone-commander-new-units.html

Yesterday we laid out the Dropzone Commander release schedule. In it was revealed many new things that have not really been discussed, and a few that had been seen in early concept art at the latest shows. I had some time with Hawk Wargames, and have some great details on what is coming in the near future of the game. Fans of the game will be thrilled by the creative new units that are coming over the next few months.


There are new infantry/small vehicle units being released in three waves coming for each faction. While the three waves are all separated by months, I dont have which of these units will come out in which month. So here we go, separated by faction, what is on the horizon for Dropzone Commander.

If you missed the release schedule yesterday. here is your link.
http://natfka.blogspot.com/2015/02/dropzone-commander-6-month-release.html

UCM- Infantry
-2 power suit variants; one anti-tank and the other anti-air. These are like mortar teams.
-The third one takes a unique position of a Heavy Choice with Heavy Railguns. Think 2, 3 man squads
I may have some things mis-interpreted here regarding the UCM. My notes got a little jumbled here. There are three new infantry units though, and the Heavy Infantry choice with Heavy Railguns is in there.


Those do sound interesting! I had hoped the UCM infantry would be smaller humanoid walkers so I could use some alternate figs but those do look nice as well. It's good to see in that 6 month release link that the big boys are coming out supposedly next month. I'm considering starting a UCM force and that Phoenix would be a nice centerpiece.

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Hawk Wargames are one of the 2 sponsors for this years UK Games Expo in May so I would expect that they would have something special to show there.

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Some info on "Dropfleet" direct from Andy Chambers in the below link, listen from 7:30 - 15:00:

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AdeptiCon Talks: Andy Chambers

Legendary game designer and author, Andy Chambers, speaks with Adam “Loopy” Fasoldt in this week’s episode of AdeptiCon Talks. They cover a little about his storied past (Battlefleet Gothic), but A LOT about some upcoming projects, including his new spaceship combat game for Hawk Wargames. Andy discusses some design theory and what we might expect from this new game set in the Dropzone Commander universe. Andy also talks a little about his work with Warlord Games, a little teaser with regard to All Quiet on the Martian Front and, finally, what he has planned for AdeptiCon weekend!

Take a listen here.

Obviously, if it is at all possible some of us need to pick his brain further at AdeptiCon
   
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Some tasty new releases. That Thunderstorm Custom looks wicked!

Phoenix Command Gunship

The legions were designed for shock and awe, descending on the cradle worlds without warning and rapidly taking back what belongs to humanity. The Phoenix is an up-gunned beast. It is a heavy command platform which is always first into the fray with weapons blazing, issuing directives in real time to the troops. It was designed to come in with the first wave of planetary assaults where there is no existing ground presence and where a beachhead has to be established under enemy fire.

The ship itself is one of the heaviest aircraft utilised by the UCM, both in terms of mass and armament. All aspects of the unit revolve around close support for the rest of the squadron – being able to take punishment and return such extreme levels of firepower that there is nothing left to threaten the drop zone a second time.

Oppressor

As the UCM pushes deeper into Scourge controlled territory they are encountering new and even more menacing enemy constructs, most recently the horrifying Oppressor.

Clearly a command unit of some kind, the Oppressor is a far more resilient, albeit ground-based alternative to the dreaded Desolator. It features an awesome array of weapons which are at their most potent up-close, where aggressive Scourge commanders can build a vanguard force around this formidable monstrosity. It has also been seen operating from the rear of Scourge lines, using its survivability and overcharge fire ability to extend range and keep high value commanders alive through protracted engagements.

Oppressors are most often seen with large numbers of Prowlers, Stalkers and Ravagers, but unlike many command units are frequently on the sharp edge of any attack where they can do the most damage. Leading with two Plasma Carbines and an Electroweb caster, it carves a gory path through the enemy, scuttling over all obstructions to rip any survivors apart with apparent glee.

Nemesis Command Walker

This PHR command unit has been seen only fleetingly in previous battles. Confirmation of this command vehicle’s very existence has been hard to verify given the lack of solid evidence and very few first-hand accounts as there so few survivors. It is likely that the Nemesis has been mistaken for the Hades in previous encounters, but hard intel from the Atlantia front has shown the clear difference in walker armament.

Its mandible weapons are the equal of two smaller walkers combined, but are only a sideshow to the construct’s main gun – The Nemesis Laser. This fearsome tail gun has a seemingly infinite range, and has the ability to punch through the toughest armour with ease while causing maximum devastation. The Nemesis is deployed when implacable advance is needed; a mobile wall of firepower that grinds the foe to dust.

Gharial Command Grav Tank

Speed and power have always been the watchwords of the Shaltari tribes. The Gharial embraces both ideals in one command package, taking the fight to the enemy, dealing maximum damage and then relocating to sow more destruction elsewhere.

Based on a Caiman hull, the Gharial is a more aggressive fighter than its longer-ranged cousin, and is designed as the ultimate in close support. Its tactical role makes the Gharial the preferred mount for the most aggressive of Shaltari Warchiefs, individuals that live for nothing but war and distain risk more than any others of their usually prudent kind.

The Gharial's fearsome Heavy Microwave Cannon is able to slice through tanks with contemptuous ease and is also powerful enough to liquefy all organic matter in enclosed spaces even through several layers of concrete and steel. If that is not enough to stop the enemy, this command skimmer is also equipped with close range Neutron Launchers that fire one-shot heavy density projectiles into the core of structures, often levelling them in one volley.

NT-5 Thunderstorm Custom

The NT-4 Leviathan earns its name is sheer scale, but the command variant – the NT – 5 Thunderstorm Custom – is a step further. Its huge fusion generators are massively over-sized given modern technological advances, yet no less potent. They have such a high level of power output that many resistance bands can run an entire forward base’s power network from them. But the truly fearsome application is only appreciated when used as a combat unit on the front lines. The dual power plants are unleashed through four over-charged looted Plasma Cannons, capable of reducing anything in range to a bubbling pool of cooling liquid in seconds.

Few commanders can resist the lure of such awesomely destructive power, and often choose the Thunderstorm Custom as their mount when going into battle. Almost all will then employ their most trusted lieutenants as a mobile strike force, disgorged from the vast transport platform that the craft is built around. Together this combination has spelt doom and destruction to many Scourge garrisons, as well as any other enemies foolish enough to get in the Thunderstorm’s way.
   
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I love that Phoenix, I've had an eye for a UCM force for a while, I just hope it isn't too big to play in a small starter force!

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The interview sounds fantastic, almost everything I'd hope the game would be.

A modern take on space combat to compliment the Jutland style of BFG.
   
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that Nemesis Command Walker!!!
i think i will have to do a Dropzone dio one of these days...

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Surprised this weekends Beasts of War DZC event hasn't been mentioned.

They just posted an interview with Dave about the new rules changes





Plenty of coverage of the event on the site itself.

Just to edit in, they added an interview about the new commanders as I was typing that one.


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That Phoenix command ship is nice but I'm nkt sure it is $50 nice. Ouch!

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 warboss wrote:
That Phoenix command ship is nice but I'm nkt sure it is $50 nice. Ouch!


I suppose it depends on its final size but, to talk about its equivalents, it's still $15 cheaper than a Tau fighter plane.

Yeah, cheaper than GW isn't the best argument normally, until you take into account, it's resin, in which case, think of forgeworld prices...

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New rule changes?

That may be referring to the new errata up in the downloads section of the Hawk Wargames site, with some unit cost/ability tweaks. My Jaguars got pricier, but the Ocelot can now move 2" and fire, so it may actually be worth taking! Thunderbird and Warspear, which are almost never taken, also got buffed a bit. Overall, after thinking about it for a week or so, I think the balancing was good and I'm looking forward to trying these tweaks out.
   
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 Compel wrote:
 warboss wrote:
That Phoenix command ship is nice but I'm nkt sure it is $50 nice. Ouch!


I suppose it depends on its final size but, to talk about its equivalents, it's still $15 cheaper than a Tau fighter plane.

Yeah, cheaper than GW isn't the best argument normally, until you take into account, it's resin, in which case, think of forgeworld prices...


It depends on the final size is correct. If it's too small for me, I don't care what material it's made out of. High prices is high price. Giving the excuse of having a higher price because of a material I don't care for makes it a dummy whammy not to buy. I would like a lower price. I don't really care for resin so that is another reason not to get, high price and resin. Hopefully this is not turning into a we make what we want and not a who cares what the company wants. Want to make it out of resin, fine. Make it a lower price.

$50 for one ship? For that I can get a fully assembled, fully painted ship in X-Wing. Hell I can get 2 or 3 of them. I don't have to do the work, cut out mold lines, glue and paint. I hate to say it, but Warhawk Games is turning into Games-Workshop really fast in the pricing department. At this rate, I am thinking we were ALL WRONG about GW and their pricing policy when we see other companies doing the same now.

Only a select few like resin. So if companies are catering to the select few, then GW has been right in their way of thinking all this time. Catering to the collectors instead of what the masses want.

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Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?

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It's so cool to see a company talk to the customers like this. These videos are one of the main things that's constantly tempting me towards Dropzone. Can you imagine if this was GW talking to us about 40K, and making changes to the game that are actively based on what's working in the game and what's not?

I also don't see the prices as all that bad. Also, such a cool thing that you can use the hero models as regular versions of their vehicle, especially as the hero versions are so cool looking.

It depends on the final size is correct. If it's too small for me, I don't care what material it's made out of. High prices is high price. Giving the excuse of having a higher price because of a material I don't care for makes it a dummy whammy not to buy. I would like a lower price. I don't really care for resin so that is another reason not to get, high price and resin. Hopefully this is not turning into a we make what we want and not a who cares what the company wants. Want to make it out of resin, fine. Make it a lower price.

$50 for one ship? For that I can get a fully assembled, fully painted ship in X-Wing. I don't have to do the work, cut out mold lines, glue and paint. I hate to say it, but Warhawk Games is turning into Games-Workshop really fast in the pricing department. At this rate, I am thinking we were ALL WRONG about GW and their pricing policy when we see other companies doing the same now.


I think you are being more that a little overdramatic. At least they are not like Planetfall, where Spartan is only selling expansions for armies at 25 or 50 dollar chunks at a time. Or 100 for Leviathans with some extra smaller models. How would you like to get just those 3 Sabres you want but only if you also buy 5-8 other tanks as well at 50 bucks instead of 15?

90% of the Dropzone catalog, especially with online discounts, is practically comparable to buying Epic 40K material more than ten-fiveteen years ago, or at the very least is better than GW prices would be in Epic was still available..

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Those talking about the Phoenix, is that the UCM one?

He talks about (and shows it) here. Biggest flyer they have ever made.




They have one of these interviews for each faction, full list is on http://www.beastsofwar.com/eventslist/dropzone-commander-boot-camp-day-3/

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The Phoenix is also the alternative to the Kodiak. An excellent command choice that is far cheaper (at around $15) and brings an E13, infinite range, small blast orbital strike to the battlefield. I am happy with options. The Phoenix is also not quite $50 dollars. At full retail it is $44 for the second largest piece in the entire game-line (and you will likely only ever want one).

That said, those guns look brutal. I will keep a pair of 32mm Rail Cannons primed for it.



Not the best lighting that I could find, but that is huge. It is less like an aircraft and more like a small up-gunned space-ship.

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From the previous hawk open game day video, its about the size of an adult male's palm or a remora tau drone from forgeworld and a bit smaller than the fully painted ready to play
$35 Xwing Millenium Falcon. Being the biggest model in DZC still makes it significantly smaller than the average 40k vehicle so that metric isn't as helpful as you'd think at first glance. I got interested in DZC with the plastic starter that made things much more affordable but prior to that the gsame had a rep for expensive per model costs for the size.

At $50 given a rough currency conversion to USD, it isn't worth it for me personally given I don't have a local DZC scene. YMMV. I'm just a bit disappointed as I was looking forward to it.


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The Phoenix is also the alternative to the Kodiak. An excellent command choice that is far cheaper (at around $15) and brings an E13, infinite range, small blast orbital strike to the battlefield. I am happy with options. The Phoenix is also not quite $50 dollars. At full retail it is $44 for the second largest piece in the entire game-line (and you will likely only ever want one).

That said, those guns look brutal. I will keep a pair of 32mm Rail Cannons primed for it.



Not the best lighting that I could find, but that is huge. It is less like an aircraft and more like a small up-gunned space-ship.

Spoiler:


Where did you get the USD price? I tried switching the currency (admittedly on the phone) unsuccessfully.

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I used google to do the currency exchange. The Phoenix is 30 British pounds, which currently translates to 44.23 U.S. dollars.


 
   
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And then throw an online discount from The Warstore or Miniature market at that price.

The Warstore already has it listed as $39.99.

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Not the best lighting that I could find, but that is huge. ]


Judging by the base size that is gigantic. The base it is mounted on is 40mmx40mm.

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Frankly, if the game is fun and I find the models attractive, price isn't really a consideration, other than perhaps limiting exactly when I pull the trigger on a purchase.

DZC has both those criteria and also seem to care about actively engaging with their customers and maintaining the game to keep as many options playable as possible.

This means buying in is a case of when, not if, for me, because I have no problem paying the premium on price if I feel I'm supporting a good company and product.

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I think that the fact that you would only ever need one in your UCM army and it's not even necessary if you like Kodiaks for $13 instead for your particular playstyle, 40 bucks is not that bad for such a large resin model.

Hawk is seriously NOT running the risk of turning into GW, by a long shot.

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I didn't mean Hawk is going to turn into GW, I just ment the price are like them. At least the books that Hawk have are a real great price.

$40 bucks is not that bad, but when I convert that to Canadian prices, the prices go up really fast.

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Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?

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Davor wrote:
$40 bucks is not that bad, but when I convert that to Canadian prices, the prices go up really fast.


Well thats hardly HW fault now is it?

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Davor wrote:
$40 bucks is not that bad, but when I convert that to Canadian prices, the prices go up really fast.


Well thats hardly HW fault now is it?


No, no it's not their fault. But if they don't get as many sales in Canada at least they may know why now.

Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.

Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?

Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".  
   
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@Davor: why do you not like resin???
it hold crisp detail better than any other material...
it also takes undercuts better than plastic...
just curious as to why you don't like it...

also, do you paint models???
saying that X-Wing is more attractive because it is preassembled and prepainted, well, it kind of defeats the whole purpose of painting and modeling...
this is why i have zero interest in X-Wing minis, but am stoked about these ones...

it constantly amazes me that there are so many people out there seem who to have no interest in the creative side of painting and modeling, yet still want to play with miniatures...

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