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 BrookM wrote:
I haven't really followed Mantic's previous KS attempts, but I have heard about them. Has their overall quality with the miniatures and post-KS service improved over time?


I'll throw a differing opinion out there: the hard plastics are pretty good but could definitely be better.

My Enforcers have missing detail, shallow detail, and some sunken areas. The issues are on all of my Enforcers, and all of the Enforcers that a local friend has too. So, it seems to be a mold issue, and not an isolated problem. I haven't had time to shoot pictures yet, but will as soon as I can.

The zombies are pretty good, especially for their first kit from this new manufacturer. I haven't gone over them, the Peacekeepers or the Forge Fathers as closely as the Enforcers yet, so I don't have any specific issues to point out.

I'll be in for a dollar on this one, but will probably only get the base pledge. Whether during the KS or during the PM period will depend upon what they have to show us during the KS.

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Their hard plastics are OK, fine for mass infantry type games (Warpath) but they leave something to be desired for skirmish level games. I'm a big fan of the Forge Guard though. I still like the DZ hard plastics better than the restic DZ stuff though.

In for a dollar, I think, but that depends on what pledge levels there are. Scenery only would be nice!
   
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There was an interview with Mantic at the Escapist website about kickstarters in general and Infestation in particular. It's worth a read;http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/columns/kickstarting/13617-Mantic-Details-Kickstarter-for-Deadzone-Infestation-Miniatures

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Thanks it's not long so here's the DZ:I bit

The Escapist: What is the latest Mantic project?

Chris Palmer: The new Kickstarter is Deadzone Infestation. In 2012 we set about creating a project called Deadzone. It was conceived as our second attempt at entering the sci-fi miniatures tabletop market. We'd tried previously back in 2011 with our Warpath game, but we ultimately didn't spend enough money on it. We were in a lull where we couldn't afford to do much hard plastic, so for a bit we made kits in PVC until we hit upon Kickstarter. That lit up our Kings of War game with a load of capital and lots of new miniatures kits for the game. That in turn gave us confidence in the system and so we set about creating DreadBall - a tabletop sports game set in the Warpath universe.

So, when we decided it was time to have another crack at a sci-fi miniatures game, our CEO decided that we would do so on a smaller level, for a number of reasons. For one, cost. Second, we could focus on a specific part of the Warpath universe. One of the most common complaints about our games is the lack of background, so rather than trying to create an entire universe in one go, a smaller game like Deadzone would allow us to focus in one story - in this case, a planet on the outer rim of the galaxy experiencing an alien virus breakout.

Third, we wanted to have hard plastic for Warpath. You need lots of core infantry and vehicles in a mass battle game, and the best way to do that is through hard plastic. Resin Plastic doesn't do infantry well, and would have been unsuitable for vehicles. We needed a lower cost tool-maker to do it justice, one who could do both hard line objects and more organic shapes like faces and hands.

And that's where the scenery came in. Deadzone is a claustrophobic game set in dense scenery, so we came up with a modular system of tiles to construct buildings. Buildings by there nature can be less detailed than infantry figures, and so sci-fi buildings became the test for hard line vehicles, flyers and armoured infantry units.

The Escapist: What is the initial goal and what will that provide supporters?
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Palmer: The initial funding goal is $100,000. What we've recognized since the last campaign is our rulebook is a bit difficult to read and find things in. It's inaccessible and that makes it very difficult for new players to get involved. With the funding we'll be revisiting the rulebook, making it easier to read and offer up a gentler learning curve to get into the game. We'll also take the opportunity to rewrite the campaign section and tweak a few of the things that need clarifying. And since we don't want to leave out our previous backers, we'll be providing this new rulebook free as a digital download.

The bulk of the funding will go towards tooling new kits. We're aiming to add an entirely new faction to Deadzone - the Veer-myn. They will get a hard plastic infantry kit, forming the foundation of their Warpath army. We're also creating new soldiers for the Enforcers and we'll be adding to our scenery range. Those that support the project through the main pledge level with get the new rulebook, the new miniatures, the scenery, a newly artworked mat, all of the game aids, and we're also creating a resin figure exclusive to the Kickstarter in order to say thanks to our backers.

We've tried to go for a pledge level value that is affordable and can have lots of stretch goals added to it.

The Escapist: Mantic's past Kickstarters have all considerably exceeded the campaign's initial goal. The initial goal is $100,000, but what level of funding are you actually hoping to hit?

Palmer: I just hope to hit the funding goal! Somewhere between $350,000-$500,000 would be nice because that will give us the base to cover everything we want to develop for this project. But we are planning what we call "mad gak" just in case we go past that value.

The Escapist: How does Mantic decide how far apart the stretch goals should be?

Palmer: There isn't a scientific process to it. In fact, it's very interesting to look at how other people do it. Look at Zombicide 2 as a great example of stretch goal pricing. The last goals on that campaign are over $100,000 for a single plastic model that sits on a tool with the previous seven miniatures they've funded, each at varying degrees of value. And that's very clever, because they're not overstretching themselves.
   
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That was in the OP, by the way...

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I have yet to play a real game of Deadzone, but my 5 y/o son likes to play with the minis and buildings, so that's a pretty solid endorsement. I think I'll be in for $1, at least.

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 Alex C wrote:
That was in the OP, by the way...

Yeah, geeze. I'm a professional...

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That interview made me excited. I'm glad a rule touch up and faction balance is on the books, I'm especially excited since they are planning an improved campaign system.

Hopefully there is a rules level pledge as I'm not really into the new factions.

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 Sabotage! wrote:

I am a bit bummed they decided to do more Enforcers rather than create a Corporation faction.


Same.

Right now I have only the first Deadzone starter (terrain alone is nearly worth it). None of my friends have bought in yet. I knew a rat expansion was inevitable. My plan was to get both starters, then we could run 2 games and have 4 factions.

Now I'm not sure.

I'm interested in the veermyn, but have zero interest in more enforcers.

It depends on their pledges. If I can sub out the enforcers for Asterians or some new faction, then I may be on board.

Also, I hope they keep the grid. I think a large part of why deadzone was/is successful is due to the ease of moving. I've tried playing TT wargames with my boardgame friends. It's nearly unbearable.

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Are the Pathfinders a new DZ faction or an expansion of the DZ Enforcer faction? Although I know they're in the same Warpath army I thought they would form their own DZ faction, but suddenly I'm not sure.

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Pathfinders *are* Enforcers, they're hand picked and put through extra training to do what they do. Kind of like space marine scouts but.. not.. SM scouts are SM in training, Pathfinders are Enforcers who have had extra training for stealth, tracking/ tagging targets, and so on. I don't think they're better in game stats, they have less armor but can deploy further forward, but basically they're the lighter infiltration based wing of the enforcers.

Pathfinders locate the targets. Enforcers strike/assault/suppress it. Peacekeepers go in if the standard Enforcers can't handle it.



It's possible that there will be a pledge level for different factions and minimal game elements... look up the Recon pledge level for Deadzone. However, they have been making their pledges more simple in recent kickstarters...

I don't see them having a modular starter box. They'll be likely to be funding the main game for retail and that's liable to come to them sealed from the manufacture. At least it seemed to be that way in other projects.

If they do the small faction-specific pledge level.. that seems like your best bet, though I dunno if they will this run. If you have no love of the pathfinders, perhaps you can get the sweet spot pledge and trade them off? Usually, the sweet spot pledge is the most cost effective way to get what you want, even if you have to get extra stuff.

 
   
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Wasn't there supposed to be some sort of Deadzone week thing starting today?

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I'm hoping they do lots of new Battlezones too. Love the ruined quadrant I got before. I built so much stuff and still have tons left over to make more.

I'm probably gonna have to just pledge $1 though and then hope to get some new funds before it ends, or for the pledge manager

 
   
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They've previewed an industrial BZ set, with like pipes and stuff to over up some of the connectors, kind of like what they started with the MA scenery. Dunno if they'll try more than one type or not... probably depends on how much funding they get.

 
   
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 GrimDork wrote:

If they do the small faction-specific pledge level.. that seems like your best bet, though I dunno if they will this run. If you have no love of the pathfinders, perhaps you can get the sweet spot pledge and trade them off? Usually, the sweet spot pledge is the most cost effective way to get what you want, even if you have to get extra stuff.


Thanks for the info. I didn't get in on the kickstarter last time so I'm unfamiliar with their options.

I probably will try to hit the sweet spot. I'm sure I can find some crazy person to unload a lot of pathfinders on...

If the Rats (I keep forgetting how to properly misspell Vermin and I'm afraid to spell it incorrectly wrong, so I'm just calling them Rats) have some sneaky assassin, I'm going to have a very hard time resisting. This may ruin my group's budding interest in Infinity, but it may be worth it for a cheaper and easier game to get into.

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 GrimDork wrote:
Pathfinders *are* Enforcers, they're hand picked and put through extra training to do what they do. Kind of like space marine scouts but.. not.. SM scouts are SM in training, Pathfinders are Enforcers who have had extra training for stealth, tracking/ tagging targets, and so on. I don't think they're better in game stats, they have less armor but can deploy further forward, but basically they're the lighter infiltration based wing of the enforcers.

Pathfinders locate the targets. Enforcers strike/assault/suppress it. Peacekeepers go in if the standard Enforcers can't handle it.


Yeah I get where Pathfinders fit into the fluff, and that they're all one army for Warpath, I just thought for some reason they were forming their own individual Deadzone team - Enforcers already have a lot of options compared to the Plague, Rebs and Asterians, yet more might be a little over the top.

   
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If they create Pathfinder Leaders, Troopers and Specialists, I think we'll be okay. Just publish new cards for those. Then you could choose to do an all pathfinder, enforcer or peacekeeper deadzone force. Pretty sweet actually.

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Sure it's great if you like Enforcers, I'm just saying you'll be approaching double the options the three under-staffed forces have, which is a bit unfair for them.

   
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 NTRabbit wrote:
Sure it's great if you like Enforcers, I'm just saying you'll be approaching double the options the three under-staffed forces have, which is a bit unfair for them.

Agreed. This is the Space Marine problem all over again.

I think an interesting solution (both to the overpopulation of enforcers and the poor performance of rebs) would be allowing rebel enforcers in all their flavors to join the rebs faction. Perhaps let all sorts of models be acquired by rebs for a slight points premium (1-2 points).

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You guys say "problem" like its a problem....what's wrong with lots of enforcers? 0:-)

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Uh.. whoah guys.. who said all we're going to see is Pathfinders and Skaven?
All we've seen "so far" is that stuff but given the track record of release sizes per KS.. I'd say it's a fairly safe bet that we're going to see just as much for the existing factions. In fact, I would wager that fleshing those others out is probably why we won't see corporation yet.
From what we have seen that's what 1 or 2 new kits with one possibly being hard plastics.. and people are up in arms??? The thing hasn't even started yet nor have they tipped their hand towards what the big picture is. Let's give them some room to prove where they're headed and not jump to conclusions and decide that some sort of hard plastic injustice is being done before the KS even launches.

I say that as someone who has a deep love/hate Mantic thing going on.

   
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 MLaw wrote:
and people are up in arms???

I think you may yourself be jumping to conclusions. We're just discussing things right now. No one has started burning effigies.

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Maybe they can use the excess funding after the Pathfinders and Squeakers to work up some hard plastic Asterian battle drones and a walker, and some plague versions of the Rebs aliens.

As much as Rebs have problems, they actually have a wide spread of mini options if you ignore how viable they are with their current stats, while most of the others are very heavy in specialists:

Enforcers: 2 Leaders, 12 Specialists, 6 Troops, 3 Rare - 23
Rebs: 2 Leaders, 4 Specialists, 4 Troops, 4 Rare - 14
Marauders: 4 Leaders, 7 Specialists, 3 Troops, 3 Rare - 17
Forge Fathers: 3 Leaders, 9 Specialists, 2 Troops, 1 Rare - 15
Asterians: 1 Leader, 8 Specialists, 2 Troops, 2 Rare - 13
Plague: 2 Leaders, 4 Specialists, 2 Troops, 4 Rare - 12

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 pretre wrote:
 NTRabbit wrote:
Sure it's great if you like Enforcers, I'm just saying you'll be approaching double the options the three under-staffed forces have, which is a bit unfair for them.

Agreed. This is the Space Marine problem all over again.

I think an interesting solution (both to the overpopulation of enforcers and the poor performance of rebs) would be allowing rebel enforcers in all their flavors to join the rebs faction. Perhaps let all sorts of models be acquired by rebs for a slight points premium (1-2 points).

I like that idea.

I also wouldn't be opposed to a set of gun arms to put on Dreadball aliens for use as Rebs...

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Yeah... I've wanted a manticverse weapon/accessory sprue for years... Hassle free is such a risk, had to know if they're the right size...

 
   
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 GrimDork wrote:
Yeah... I've wanted a manticverse weapon/accessory sprue for years... Hassle free is such a risk, had to know if they're the right size...

Reaper has this problem too.. I've had a few things I've ordered and they showed up and it's like.. well.. what do you do with this extremely thin or overly tall or whatever scale issue model. They do a pretty good job about putting a ruler in component pictures but that doesn't always tell the whole story. I want some Hasslefree stuff but I've heard that with them it's even more sporadic. Kev White and the other more regular sculptor tend to be good about scale though.

Back to DZ/Manticverse - For me, I'm not overly fond of Marauders/Orx.. I feel like they're in the game because 40k has Orks. If/when I get around to painting mine, they'll be gray not green.. as I think they'd be good stand ins for the gorilla-like guys in 5150. Yeah I realize they're also basically not-orks, but at least there's an extra degree of separation. For the rest of DZ, I really hope Rebels get a huge boost along with Asterians. Forgefathers have gotten tons of love and Infected or whatever are powerful. They are kinda one-note but I'm afraid that if anything else gets added in they'll just end up being even more powerful. Rebels in my mind are both way under-powered but also don't have nearly the diversity that a force like that should be representing.

I'm a little concerned that with the number of races Mantic has introduced to DB, we'll be overwhelmed with additional armies that are under-supported if they bring those to DZ. If they release the bugs, robots, dinos, and tentacle dudes, then we'll have something like a dozen armies after Corporation gets released. If it carries over to Warpath, it's inevitable that we'll end up with an army sitting in doldrums while others get goodies.


As for the up in arms comments.. I dunno I read things that compare Mantic to GW as highly volatile and negative. Perhaps others don't, but NTRabbit in particular seems to have decided that Mantic has already screwed the pooch. At least that's how it looked to me.. perception is really weird on the internet... and I did see a few others but Rabbit's avatar is really noticeable too so he really stuck out

   
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So nothing today for the supposed "Deadzone week"?

Or are they counting the video that they already showed before?

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I like the Marauders myself, I usually don't even call them Orx. And I hear you on the not-green. Why the hell would anything that was mammalian be green? I mean I guess nobody sayd Orx/marauders were mammals but they look pretty similar. Regardless I feel there's just as much cause to paint them not green, as there is to paint them green

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Ok so the Mawbeasts are green... but that's because I was going for a Blanka theme to match the Bison/Shadowlaw Orx.

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My Orx/Marauders have a reddish brown skin. I'm also avoiding the green skin. And since I play Ogres for KoW with Red Goblins...it works in both worlds if I want to do tie-ins!!

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I was happy to catch the Blanka scheme in Grimdork's mawbeasts.

Glad it wasn't just me projecting my nerdy heritage on to everything in sight.

I never realized the Marauders have so many options at this point.

I'm liking the idea of turning other factions' figures into reb versions for an additional point cost. Kind of a neat idea.

Rogue forge fathers, disillusioned Asterians, AWOL enforcers... could be fun.

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