the_Armyman wrote:
Just a few points:
1. How are you getting the second sponson/turret to contribute shots against a flyer? Drawing line of sight through your own hull?
2. You can only fire 4 weapons per turn, so tacking on 4 missile shots plus the bolt cannon plus the ball turret is out of bounds.
3. It doesn't look like you've accounted for the Xiphon's RML ability to force re-rolls on jink.
1. The Fire Raptor can fire at four seperate targets a turn (main target,
PotMS target, Ball turret target 1, Ball Turret Target 2) It may not be firing at only one target, which is another advantage over the Xiphon.
2. The Fire Raptor can actually fire 7 weapons a turn (4 missiles as its normal allotment, main cannons with
PotMS, both ball turrets with their Independetn Turret Fire special rule)
3. With the fire raptor the jink save is calculated at the end as its going to be a flat 4+ across all weapons, the Xiphon needs to have it calculated seperately for each type of weapon so...
VS AV12 = (2*(8/9)*(4/6)*(3/6))+(2*(4/6)*(3/6)*(3/4)) = 1.09
[lascannon shots]*[chance to hit]*[chance to glance or pen]*[chance to get past 4+ jink]+[missile shots]*[missile chance to hit]*[missile chance to glance or pen]*[missile chance to get past forced reroll of successful jinks]
Automatically Appended Next Post: Given its armour, hull points, and
FOC placement, I think its a better idea to compare it to a Storm Talon rather than a fire raptor, so without further ado...
Xiphon
Infantry models
Vs Guardsmen, 2.59 wounds, 79.07 points per wound
Vs Ork, 2.59 wounds, 79.07 points per wound
Vs Space Marine, 2.59 wounds, 79.07 points per wound
Vs Terminator (5+
Inv), 1.73 wounds, 118.61 points per wound
Vs T6, 3+, walking, 2.59 wounds, 79.07 points per wound
Vs T6, 3+ flying, no jink, 2.59 wounds, 79.07 points per wound
Vs T6, 3+ flying, jinking, 1.57 wounds, 130.24 points per wound
Non Flyer/Skimmer Vehicles
Vs AV10 2.89 hull points, 70.96 points per hull point
Vs AV11 2.37 hull points, 86.48 points per hull point
Vs AV12 1.85 hull points, 110.70 points per hull point
Vs AV13 1.33 hull points, 153.75 points per hull point
Vs AV14 0.81 hull points, 251.59 points per hull point
Flyers/Skimmer Vehicles
Vs AV10 2.89 hull points, 70.96 points per hull point
Vs AV11 2.37 hull points, 86.48 points per hull point
Vs AV12 1.85 hull points, 110.70 points per hull point
Vs
AV 10, Jinking, 1.72 hull points, 119.03 points per hull point
Vs AV11, Jinking, 1.41 hull points, 145.66 points per hull point
Vs AV12, Jinking, 1.09 hull points, 187.63 points per hull point
Storm Talon with Skyhammer Missile Launcher
Infantry models
Vs Guardsmen, 5.32 wounds, 23.48 points per wound
Vs Ork, 5.32 wounds, 23.48 points per wound
Vs Space Marine, 2.21 wounds, 56.64 points per wound
Vs Terminator (5+
Inv), 1.21 wounds, 103.18 points per wound
Vs T6, 3+, walking, 1.64 wounds, 76.42 points per wound
Vs T6, 3+ flying, no jink, 1.43 wounds, 87.28 points per wound
Vs T6, 3+ flying, jinking, 1.14 wounds, 110.05 points per wound
Non Flyer/Skimmer Vehicles
Vs AV10 3.61 hull points, 34.62 points per hull point
Vs AV11 2.55 hull points, 49.09 points per hull point
Vs AV12 1.48 hull points, 84.38 points per hull point
Vs AV13 1.06 hull points, 117.39 points per hull point
Vs AV14 0.43 hull points, 289.29 points per hull point
Flyers/Skimmer Vehicles
Vs AV10 3.11 hull points, 40.18 points per hull point
Vs AV11 2.19 hull points, 57.20 points per hull point
Vs AV12 1.26 hull points, 99.26 points per hull point
Vs
AV 10, Jinking, 1.56 hull points, 80.36 points per hull point
Vs AV11, Jinking, 1.09 hull points, 114.41 points per hull point
Vs AV12, Jinking, 0.63 hull points, 198.53 points per hull point
So we can see that the Storm Talon is more effecient against every target except T6 3+
FMCs who dont jink, AV14 ground vehicles, and AV12 Flyers that do jink. Even in these cases, its not all that much more effecient.
