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People who complain on forums about people complaining on forums.

 vipoid wrote:
People who complain on forums about people complaining on forums.

The irony made me laugh

Have an exalt

The fact that GW pretty much denies the very existence of forgeworld.

That Gw seems to think that randumb is the solution to all things.

Also the chaos spawn table....err..i mean..boon table. I play at 1000 points and haven't finished a single game where my lord wasn't either turned into a spawn or a prince...both of which are bad.

it was not rude in any way shape or form lol or not. No more rude than saying many soccer fans get rowdy or many people who drink too much have impaired driving. Clearly stating that I am not talking about anyone HERE would ensure that it was not rude even if it had been rude elsewhere.

To stay on topic. Enjoying playing a game I grew up with and the ictional world that the game is set in does not make me an apologist at all. as a matter of fact, I am more critical of GW and it' policies that almost everyone on this forum.
To me, in the end, it is a game. There are many of it I disagree with but I stick with it anyway because it is a part of y life in how I grew up and ow I formed lifelong bonds with my closest friends. still play For fun To me, iIS annoying part of the game to be constantly bombarded by people who hate the game and are constantly ing me I HAVE to hate it or e or calling me an st because I dont constantly join in n the hate pew" despite the fact i agree with them on many aspects. To me, life is short. I dont feel the need to constantly be negative and take part in arguments and hate. To me, part of the game is getting along with one another, enjoying a characterful mental excersize that is visually stimulating and having fun despite any rules adversities.
Again, it needs to be noted that I am not discussing anyone on this forum.

 vipoid wrote:
People who complain on forums about people complaining on forums.

It's these people that complain about people complaining, about people complaining on forums that really annoys me. God they're so elitist.

But on topic, people telling others they aren't allowed an opinion as they don't play the game any more, while hand waving away the multitude of reasons why they don't play and ignoring for the most part that (from what I've read) a lot of them want to get back into 40k.

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
People who complain on forums about people complaining on forums.

It's these people that complain about people complaining, about people complaining on forums that really annoys me. God they're so elitist.

But on topic, people telling others they aren't allowed an opinion as they don't play the game any more, while hand waving away the multitude of reasons why they don't play and ignoring for the most part that (from what I've read) a lot of them want to get back into 40k.

Exactly this. I hate seeing genuine issues with the game being hand waved away as 'whining', and I hate people's opinions (mine included) being dismissed because we don't play the game. I used to play the game, and I still follow the game, I'm still allowed an opinion of the game. If things improved I might pick the game up again, that's why I'm still here. I still enjoy the lore and I enjoy discussing the game. People discuss things like sports all the time when they don't play it.

Contrary to popular belief we don't go around dumping on the game in every thread for no reason. We also don't dismiss people's opinions because they don't agree with ours. If you enjoy the game, good for you! But I'm allowed to voice my dissatisfaction of a product on a forum talking about said product. It's as much my forum as yours.

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
People who complain on forums about people complaining on forums.

It's these people that complain about people complaining, about people complaining on forums that really annoys me. God they're so elitist.

But on topic, people telling others they aren't allowed an opinion as they don't play the game any more, while hand waving away the multitude of reasons why they don't play and ignoring for the most part that (from what I've read) a lot of them want to get back into 40k.

Absolutely true. I see this a lot as well. I'm all for different opinions and people getting into/back into the game. i have never even once had a single issue with anyone who politely and respectfully stated their opinions in the spirit of doing so in an effort to improve the game. i have had issues with people who were disrespectfull, ignored my right to my opinion or such behavior of course but never once with anyone who are doing as you suggest. Back and forth banter and discussion often leads to cool house rules to overcome rules shortcomings and adding flavor to the game that you might not otherwise have had. The key part in that discussion is treating one another with dignity and respect. Something that you sadly rarely see online.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
ok, its quite new, but this one little thing annoys me everytime I read t.

In the description of how to use the Decurion style formation detachments,you are told that organising your models into detachments is "a fun process in its own right"

BS. messing about with formations is completely not fun. Arbitrarily not being able to take certain units because they aren't included, and being forced to take units you don't want to take because they are included - is not fun! Its a cheap ploy to make you buy more units.

Not to sound antagonistic, but why take the detachment if you're that against certain units? I agree that it's not that fun to build detachments but no one's forcing you to take the detachment in the first place.

I think his objection is to being *told* that the decurion is fun to build.

I have every right to voice my opinion. Stop trying to silence opposition. I played 40k for over twenty years. I think I've earned a right to say my opinion. My opinion is that GW is a horrible company making an overpriced game with terrible rules.

 MWHistorian wrote:
I have every right to voice my opinion. Stop trying to silence opposition. I played 40k for over twenty years. I think I've earned a right to say my opinion. My opinion is that GW is a horrible company making an overpriced game with terrible rules.

What did I say?

Here's what annoys me most about 40k:

- Crappy Sisters models!
- Crappy Aspect Warrior models!
- Crappy Inquisition and Assassin models!
- Crappy Finecast named models!

Do you see a pattern? All my annoyances would be fixed by replacing crappy old models.

Oh yes, and getting 1 of each special weapon in a squad box, because of course, that's how we equip our squads.

Ordnance weapons on tanks
Random Warlord traits
How durable alien tanks are compared to human ones and turbo boost being more than "one use only"

Only little things, not hard to please!

 Rippy wrote:

 Chute82 wrote:
1) the rules...
2) the cost
3 the balance of the game
4) special rule on top of special rule
5) horrible for pick up games
6) horrible for tournament play
7) did I mention the cost?
8) cutting content out of codex just to charge you another $50
9) GW the company enough said
10) random random random everything

I don't like My Little Pony. You don't see me going on to a my little pony forum and telling everyone there I don't like everything about it. Because they wouldn't care, and it isn't constructive, and if I don't like a theme or genre then I just ignore it and move on with my life.

I would post this on GW forum but they don't have one.

 Talys wrote:
Here's what annoys me most about 40k:

- Crappy Sisters models!
- Crappy Aspect Warrior models!
- Crappy Inquisition and Assassin models!
- Crappy Finecast named models!

Do you see a pattern? All my annoyances would be fixed by replacing crappy old models.

Oh yes, and getting 1 of each special weapon in a squad box, because of course, that's how we equip our squads.

How great would it be if they made a multi-part multi-option box for Inquisitors and Assassins like the Space Marine commander box?

 vipoid wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
I have every right to voice my opinion. Stop trying to silence opposition. I played 40k for over twenty years. I think I've earned a right to say my opinion. My opinion is that GW is a horrible company making an overpriced game with terrible rules.

What did I say?

I believe MWHistorian's reply was to Evil, Inc., not yours.

 Zewrath wrote:
1) Eldar codex (all of them except 5th)
2) Eldar special rules
3) Eldar
4) Random wound allocation
5) Random warlord traits
6) Random psychic powers
7) Mysterius objectives
8) Eldar

Someone got army envy?

What bugs me most recently is GW not giving consideration to revamping other books like they did to eldar. I can deal with their buffs but why can't other books get the same treatment? Instead mediocre units are copy pasted into other books. For example, and Bloodthirster is similar points wise but would get wholly smoked by a wraith knight. Khorne Daemonkin's lord of war is 3x costly and sucks ass compared to the Wraithknight. Why? (rhetorical) I am sure other books are similar or will be similar.


I don't like how in the 6th edition rule book a step by step list was there to help get the game started and walk through the phases. Now I can't make sense of it without studying it for a few minutes.

I don't like how I don't have enough money to buy all the awesome models I want all at once.

niv-mizzet wrote:
Random assault range. Stupidest rule in the game.

I just thought that it was odd that they added this rule in, but changed the rules to allow pre-measuring.

Random movement distances and no-premeasuring are typically included in wargames in order to introduce the same level of uncertainty that real world troops have. The idea, rules-wise, being that the troops can only guess how far away the enemy is and how far they can get before being shot down, so you the player would/should have to do that.

Allowing pre-measuring, but then adding in a random movement mechanic seems like it presents a conflicting game vision.

 amanita wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
I have every right to voice my opinion. Stop trying to silence opposition. I played 40k for over twenty years. I think I've earned a right to say my opinion. My opinion is that GW is a horrible company making an overpriced game with terrible rules.

What did I say?

I believe MWHistorian's reply was to Evil, Inc., not yours.

LOL, he isnt talking to me. Thats for certain. I'm all for people having the right to voice their opinions. The only time I ever have any issues is when they tell me I dont have the right to voice mine and if they are totally rude and disrespectful.

1. AP should be 1-5 and should reduce armour by that number (ap 2 would make a marine a 5+ but would cut through an orks T-shirt save). Then make good AP less common.

Flamers and templates should hit invisible units! The wording of the spell should be "attacks must be made at BS1"

Poison weapons only having 1 Str. I get what they're going for with but if you're getting shot with anything it'll still fething hurt.

Oh how to narrow it down:

1) Make it harder (points increase? some drawback) not easier to mix armies.
2) Moar! choices not choice by random.
3) Can we end the high capability / low cost super units? Just a tiny bit of balance please?
4) Put to bed the concept that 40k is "competitive"? Only with a ton of "house rules" which is another name for tournament rules can it have a glimmer of hope.
5) Unit activation would be nice not the "I go first and win" or hide everything I can (deep-strike).

I think the above 5 are the most crippling little things that do not prevent play but certainly prevent the game from being better.

The inconsistancy of GW bugs me.

Skitarii comes out, and while there aren't a lot of things there, they are interesting and clearly well thought out to fit the current balance of power. On its heels comes Eldar Craftworlds...

Some people are expecting a power creep to match Eldar (and the Necron that we thought looked ridiculous until we saw Eldar) but if that's the case, why release this Skitarii codex now?

1. No Chaos Legions, only Chaos Renegades.
2. That Forgeworld makes better and more balanced rules than normal GW.
3. Having to buy four boxes of Havocs in order to field 4 autocannons.
4. Editions that change every two year.
5. The liberal application of the D. I don't want the D smeared all over my gaming surface! It's unhygienic.
6. Turn 1. I hate turn 1, can't we just start on turn 2 or something.

 welshhoppo wrote:
1. No Chaos Legions, only Chaos Renegades.
2. That Forgeworld makes better and more balanced rules than normal GW.
3. Having to buy four boxes of Havocs in order to field 4 autocannons.
4. Editions that change every two year.
5. The liberal application of the D. I don't want the D smeared all over my gaming surface! It's unhygienic.
6. Turn 1. I hate turn 1, can't we just start on turn 2 or something.

I know you jest on your sixth point, but riddle me this; what if we had a first round of only movement before we start the game?
This allows people a tactical movement after seeing where everyone is placed and who goes first. Maybe say it can't move further out of the deployment zone than 3 inches to allow you to reach things that were just beyond, but still not give assault armies a huge bonus.

 Purifier wrote:

 welshhoppo wrote:
1. No Chaos Legions, only Chaos Renegades.
2. That Forgeworld makes better and more balanced rules than normal GW.
3. Having to buy four boxes of Havocs in order to field 4 autocannons.
4. Editions that change every two year.
5. The liberal application of the D. I don't want the D smeared all over my gaming surface! It's unhygienic.
6. Turn 1. I hate turn 1, can't we just start on turn 2 or something.

I know you jest on your sixth point, but riddle me this; what if we had a first round of only movement before we start the game?
This allows people a tactical movement after seeing where everyone is placed and who goes first. Maybe say it can't move further out of the deployment zone than 3 inches to allow you to reach things that were just beyond, but still not give assault armies a huge bonus.

My biggest annoyance with turn one is that one side often takes a hammering in the first turn and it throws the game off balance. I normally lose games in the first turn. Or win them, as the case might be. Maybe movement only would be a cool idea, but then it flings it to the spectrum of assault units, who could be in your face before a single shot is fired.

 EVIL INC wrote:

 amanita wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
I have every right to voice my opinion. Stop trying to silence opposition. I played 40k for over twenty years. I think I've earned a right to say my opinion. My opinion is that GW is a horrible company making an overpriced game with terrible rules.

What did I say?

I believe MWHistorian's reply was to Evil, Inc., not yours.

LOL, he isnt talking to me. Thats for certain. I'm all for people having the right to voice their opinions. The only time I ever have any issues is when they tell me I dont have the right to voice mine and if they are totally rude and disrespectful.

I was absolutely tslking to you, Evil. As stated by you in a thread you started sbout tactics, you defined disrespectful as disagreement.

 MWHistorian wrote:
I have every right to voice my opinion. Stop trying to silence opposition. I played 40k for over twenty years. I think I've earned a right to say my opinion. My opinion is that GW is a horrible company making an overpriced game with terrible rules.

After seeing a lot of your posts, I'm honestly curious why you would spend time on the 40K forums? Not being sarcastic or anything, but if you dislike the game and no longer play, why spend free time on message boards dedicated to it?

In regards to the OP, the lack of options for kits can be a pain. Want to have a 4 man team of autocannon havocs? Better hit up ebay or buy more kits.

 clamclaw wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
I have every right to voice my opinion. Stop trying to silence opposition. I played 40k for over twenty years. I think I've earned a right to say my opinion. My opinion is that GW is a horrible company making an overpriced game with terrible rules.

After seeing a lot of your posts, I'm honestly curious why you would spend time on the 40K forums? Not being sarcastic or anything, but if you dislike the game and no longer play, why spend free time on message boards dedicated to it?

In regards to the OP, the lack of options for kits can be a pain. Want to have a 4 man team of autocannon havocs? Better hit up ebay or buy more kits.

because I feel like it and shouldn't have to explain myself to you. Its been answered several times before and im tired of giving the same answer over and over again.