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Looks cool. I'm a HUGE StarCraft/SC2 fan, having played somewhat seriously in the past (and its probably why I got into 40k in the first, well, that and the pics from InQuest magazine way back when) and I'd be all over these. I don't know that I'd ever actually play the game, but I'd certainly love to own some awesome SC models.

Will definitely be keeping an eye on this.

I need to see some Zealots!!!

I'm not going to comment on the big debacle unfolding, however, I will say that I so await the retail release of AVP. I'm a huge Predator fanboy, so getting some minis I can paint up is high priority.

Now, StarCraft minis... I'm torn. The scale looks really small, smaller than I really care for, Small scale means I need more because if it's for a mass-battle game, then obviously you need big amounts of models for it. If it's cheap enough, huzzah! if not, too bad.

Not a big fan of Zerg, would love to see some Protoss stuff though, as they're really the only race in SC I care about.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

Now, StarCraft minis... I'm torn. The scale looks really small, smaller than I really care for, Small scale means I need more because if it's for a mass-battle game, then obviously you need big amounts of models for it. If it's cheap enough, huzzah! if not, too bad.

Small scale is the whole idea if you want mass battles!

It's the done thing in most of the games available on the market. How many people have got the money, time and space to have a 10ft wide playing area with 100-200 28mm miniatures? At this scale, they'll hopefully be able to approximate the battles you got in SC of swarms of Zerg overwhelming (zerging!) a Terran outpost, without it costing hundreds of pounds and something you would only see at a big display game at a convention.

Can you imagine if they found a way to have units being constructed and fighting for minerals/vespene gas on the table?

"You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons."

I think, given the picture shown, that "Ssssspawn morrrre Overrrrrlorrrrdsssss" would be more appropriate ;P

******Nuclear Launch detected!!!*******

I hope we get the female ghost model from the scrapped PS game.

 BrookM wrote:
"You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons."

Leave me alone computer. I'll do it "Soon".

Honest question, what is the problem with prodos games, they seem legit.

 BrookM wrote:
"You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons." "You must construct additional pylons."

I suspect that will be on Prodos' end and not ours.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Honest question, what is the problem with prodos games, they seem legit.

Amazing models. Less than stellar PR and communication skills.

I wish them success with this new line. Models look lovely as always

Again, apologies for my prior conduct.

AVP KS pledge not withstanding (Soon XD)

15mm Starcraft tabletop game, colour me interested.

Now if we can get one off 54mm Grunt Marines to paint, you can have all my money Prodos.

Amazing models. Less than stellar PR and communication skills.

And too many drama queens that do not understand the principle of KS. Btw. with big companies like Fox involved there is always some delay bound to happen.

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:

Amazing models. Less than stellar PR and communication skills.

And too many drama queens that do not understand the principle of KS. Btw. with big companies like Fox involved there is always some delay bound to happen.

Indeed. I have adjusted my attitude. That is not a problem of Prodos Games though, that is my own problem.

 Alex C wrote:

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:

Amazing models. Less than stellar PR and communication skills.

And too many drama queens that do not understand the principle of KS. Btw. with big companies like Fox involved there is always some delay bound to happen.

Indeed. I have adjusted my attitude. That is not a problem of Prodos Games though, that is my own problem.

No, I still think it is the company's problem. If you back a KS campaign and you never get your pledge reward or if the quality/condition is not as promised, it is somewhat daft to expect restitution. However, that does not mean the project creator/company didn't screw the pooch.

Accepting the risk of non-delivery does not rob one of a right to criticize, complain, or assign fault. In fact, backing a KS campaign gives you far more of a moral right to meddle/take an active interest in the way that a company is handling a product/project.

If you buy a product off the shelf after having ample time to evaluate it and the product does not meet your expectations, that's a whole lot different from speculatively investing in a product in the midst of its development. As KS itself states, backers are part of the creation of the product. No KS project creator should be able to complain about backer feedback.

If a backer gets anything for shouldering the project creator's risk, it is the right to complain about the way a project is handled.

Alex C, were you privately messaged a picture of your AvP KS Pledge being held over a bin or something?

I love the imagery of Starcraft, the Terran marines just look so awesome, think this kind of game (if they can somehow capture the 'feel' of the PC game) is ideally suited to a smaller 10 or 15mm.

We these guys..


Doing this..

weeble1000 wrote:

Accepting the risk of non-delivery does not rob one of a right to criticize, complain, or assign fault.

To an extent this is true but given the very nature of kickstarters backers need to be much more flexible than they would be buying a standard commercial product from an established company. Delays and the like are all but inevitable and people really need to accept that when they back a project it is highly likely that there will be issues along the development path. Complaining about these issues is fine to an extent but some of the splenic venting that has been going on in the AvP thread sounds more than a little 'entitled' considering that backers will still be getting their pledges fulfilled 'soon'.

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

weeble1000 wrote:

Accepting the risk of non-delivery does not rob one of a right to criticize, complain, or assign fault.

To an extent this is true but given the very nature of kickstarters backers need to be much more flexible than they would be buying a standard commercial product from an established company. Delays and the like are all but inevitable and people really need to accept that when they back a project it is highly likely that there will be issues along the development path. Complaining about these issues is fine to an extent but some of the splenic venting that has been going on in the AvP thread sounds more than a little 'entitled' considering that backers will still be getting their pledges fulfilled 'soon'.

I totally agree that backers should adjust their expectations when approaching a KS project. I was principally responding to a possible interpretation that backers have no business criticizing because they backed a KS.

Backers don't cause a funded campaign to fail when it comes to follow through. Project creators are responsible for that. That's the distinction I wanted to emphasize. Once a backer has paid his/her money, the obligation ends. Everything that happens after that is in the hands of the project creator, regardless of how they choose to characterize it.

Gack happens for sure, and delays can be expected. But A) project creators are the only ones who set the timeline. If a project fails to deliver 'on time', it is important to keep in mind that the time-frame is self-imposed by the project creator. And B) production/supply chain are chosen by the project creator. If there's an issue with that, it is in the project creator's hands.

If I am running my business and I can't get re-stocks from a supplier 'on time', you can bet your boots it is going to be my problem from the perspective of my customers. It is my problem because I would have created can expectation that I subsequently failed to meet. Kickstarter doesn't absolve a project creator of that type of responsibility.

I have no bone to pick with Prodos, and this looks like it could be pretty damn ace.

Makes me glad I've held off buying Planetfall

 Pacific wrote:
Alex C, were you privately messaged a picture of your AvP KS Pledge being held over a bin or something?

Nope, just trying to shift my attitude to a better outlook on things in general. Need to try and be a better person than Grouchy McIrritable all the time It's doing me no good.

 Duncan_Idaho wrote:
Btw. with big companies like Fox involved there is always some delay bound to happen.

Both the Buffy The Vampire Slayer RPG and City Of Heroes RPG had multiple books written that never got printed, because the parent corporation didn't give enough of a gak about the license, and didn't care that the company that wrote them invested time and money into their development.

That's a good shift, Alex - bravo! Most people just dig in and never adjust, I am genuinely impressed

I will say, I backed AvP really heavily, but soon after sold my pledge as I realized I had wayyyy too many aliens already (as I had also backed Trollforged's Alien Assimilation Host campaign, and gotten the finished sculpts early on since I actually had two pledges in, and needed the models for AdeptiCon).

It's a major bummer they have not been able to deliver at all, and I think it's valid to ask where they are in the approval process with the Starcraft minis. Are these just unapproved prototypes, or will these be ready to sell soon?

The answer to that question will determine my interest. If they are approved, I'm extremely interested... if not, then based on AvP, I think it would be prudent to wait until they're approved or very close to it (otherwise it could be a case of history repeating itself).

So, I hope they can answer that or someone can ask at Salute and pass on the answer to us here

I think, more importantly, have they got the absolute written permission of the IP owner for what they are showing,

(since overenthusiatic unapproved reveals are what's put the AvP KS in such a sticky situation)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
(since overenthusiatic unapproved reveals are what's put the AvP KS in such a sticky situation)

Blizzard is easier to work with than Fox. They are also a company built around gamers and understand gaming, promotion for gaming as opposed to what Fox is.

I pulled out of the AvP KS because the word I got was that we'd be seeing slightly lower quality but less expensive plastics soon after release of the initial resin game. I'm not into 15mm (for some reason) but this is interesting to me. From an outsider who isn't waiting for stuff, I don't get a sense Prodos is doing anything other than stumbling a bit. They are still an extremely new company and I think people expect every company out there to work flawlessly without growing pains. Back in the 80s or 90s, a stumble like this could have meant the company's demise. The fact that they're recovering at all, let alone being able to sustain an internally funded project speaks to a certain level of finesse behind the scenes. If I get into 15mm this will likely be my entry point.

It is a lot easier to recover from a 'stumble' when you are holding a fistful of KS backer funds.

Really, how hard is it to take a bunch of money for something, not deliver that something, and remain liquid?

I'm not trying to be a dick or suggest that Prodos has no intention of delivering. I expect that the company does plan on fulfilling. That said, from a general perspective, when a KS campaign is successful the project creator has the cash on hand.

That's a lot different from putting a bunch of money into development and hitting a snag before you can release, and thereby get revenue from, a product. You are 'in the red', so to speak, before your product has a chance to bring in revenue.

That's not exactly the case with Kickstarter. If a campaign funds, there ought to be some money in excess of development costs, or else the campaign was woefully planned and could never have delivered in the first place.

I will buy starcraft miniatures if they make it to retail happily. But j would be very reluctant to back a kickstarter From prodos at this point in time. Maybe if they completely deliver avp and then DO a kickstartet but even then I'd rather pay the extra at retail I think.

I'm too much of a SC fan not to buy these minis retail. I'll probably buy every army if there's rules to go with them. I'm staying away from any Prodos Kickstarters though.

I really hope we'll hear more about this as people come back from Salute this evening!

I'd buy a boat load of Terran and proxy them as UCM in Dropzone Commander provided they're of similar scale (The zerg in the photo look a touch smaller than 15mm in scale to me, fingers crossed for 10mm!)