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 disel91 wrote:
Oh and if by any chance someone gets hold of Alex Iglesias (http://flyingdebris.deviantart.com) please, pretty please tell him that me and my bro are willing to pay him the commission price for both the German Mech and the Hardsuit. Some people from the Hardsuit KS project have been asking for that as well.

I was under the impression that Defiance Games held the rights to those.

Why not just have him design a new suit and mech in a similar style?

 prplehippo wrote:

 disel91 wrote:
Oh and if by any chance someone gets hold of Alex Iglesias (http://flyingdebris.deviantart.com) please, pretty please tell him that me and my bro are willing to pay him the commission price for both the German Mech and the Hardsuit. Some people from the Hardsuit KS project have been asking for that as well.

I was under the impression that Defiance Games held the rights to those.

Why not just have him design a new suit and mech in a similar style?

It turns out that yes the designs were indeed sold. In terms of mech we now have a new one (if you look at page 2), and we will be doing something about the suits. Answering specifically the question about "why not have him design", he is not answering any messages on deviantart and I don't know any other way to contact him ^^"

There are other mech designers out there who are currently taking freelance.

 Vertrucio wrote:
There are other mech designers out there who are currently taking freelance.

Meaning yourself?)

I do design work as well. My plate is pretty full at the moment but add me if you like, I'm reasonable. I can model too but I haven't learned to prep for print just yet.

 MLaw wrote:
I do design work as well. My plate is pretty full at the moment but add me if you like, I'm reasonable. I can model too but I haven't learned to prep for print just yet.

I'll keep that in mind as there are ideas for another miniatures project

 disel91 wrote:

 Vertrucio wrote:
There are other mech designers out there who are currently taking freelance.

Meaning yourself?)

I sculpt, but I've contracted out to a number of good concept artists to create mechs, and otherwise.

Defiance's German mech? my spider senses are beyond tingling.

Wait, he's literally using a miniature that belongs to someone else?

 Vertrucio wrote:
Wait, he's literally using a miniature that belongs to someone else?

Nope, it was redesigned, following spectreoneone advice.

It should be pretty easy to come up with similar designs.

The German mech is pretty generic as it is and you can easily design another hardsuit with a "Maschinen Krieger" look to it.

 Vertrucio wrote:
Wait, he's literally using a miniature that belongs to someone else?

No, people are claiming that he's using the Defiance Games design but if you look at concept art for mechs, it's the style that 90% of concept artists are using. Personally, I think it's because of Pirahna Game's Mechwarrior FPS and they're insanely popular redesigns. I'm not saying the one here is full of originality but it is not a duplicate. More like a clone of something EVERYONE is doing.

No, people are claiming that he's using the Defiance Games design but if you look at concept art for mechs, it's the style that 90% of concept artists are using. Personally, I think it's because of Pirahna Game's Mechwarrior FPS and they're insanely popular redesigns. I'm not saying the one here is full of originality but it is not a duplicate. More like a clone of something EVERYONE is doing.

Just to point out the reason Defiance Games German Armor mech art resembles the style of the MWO mechs is because they were both done by Alex Iglesias.
Prior to the Omnifex redesign, you guys were basically committing copyright infringement (likely unintentional). Actually, there's still elements of the previous version on the current one: the entire pelvis part for the biped, that boxy laser(?) weapon.

Honestly, if you are going to pursue producing models for sale via kickstarter campaigns in the future do yourselves a few things:
- I'm not sure how it works in the UK, but look into forming an actual company; not only for easy brand identity, but for your own legal and financial protection.
- As other have pointed out there are plenty of freelance concept designers out there. Use an actual contract (or at least well documented emails) to establish how the intellectual property works in regards to displaying and producing the products.
- And talk to the rest of the community. I'm sure there are forum members and game companies that are willing to answer questions about their experiences running a completed kickstarter, and follow-up producing/selling/shipping models.

Good luck with this and in the future.

 PondaNagura wrote:

No, people are claiming that he's using the Defiance Games design but if you look at concept art for mechs, it's the style that 90% of concept artists are using. Personally, I think it's because of Pirahna Game's Mechwarrior FPS and they're insanely popular redesigns. I'm not saying the one here is full of originality but it is not a duplicate. More like a clone of something EVERYONE is doing.

Just to point out the reason Defiance Games German Armor mech art resembles the style of the MWO mechs is because they were both done by Alex Iglesias.
Prior to the Omnifex redesign, you guys were basically committing copyright infringement (likely unintentional). Actually, there's still elements of the previous version on the current one: the entire pelvis part for the biped, that boxy laser(?) weapon.

Honestly, if you are going to pursue producing models for sale via kickstarter campaigns in the future do yourselves a few things:
- I'm not sure how it works in the UK, but look into forming an actual company; not only for easy brand identity, but for your own legal and financial protection.
- As other have pointed out there are plenty of freelance concept designers out there. Use an actual contract (or at least well documented emails) to establish how the intellectual property works in regards to displaying and producing the products.
- And talk to the rest of the community. I'm sure there are forum members and game companies that are willing to answer questions about their experiences running a completed kickstarter, and follow-up producing/selling/shipping models.

Good luck with this and in the future.

Thanks!
Mistakes, a lot actually, have been made, so a lot of fixing is needed and will be done.
We also have lost a number of backers to White Dragon KS, which was awesome by the way, something to learn from.

A new update with redesigned MK.1!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/635635848/darkpmc-54mm-mechsuits/posts/1267094?ref=dash

A new update concerning the add-ons
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/635635848/darkpmc-54mm-mechsuits/posts/1270774

Ok, those pieces are hot. I hope they cast well.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Ok, those pieces are hot. I hope they cast well.

All of the new design pictures (for both mk1 and add-on) were sent to the casting company and they said that they should have no problems casting them =)

Some of the concept arts have been revealed on the campaign page

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/635635848/darkpmc-54mm-mechsuits

 disel91 wrote:
With the changes we made what little profit there was will evaporate, but the project will not be bankrupt.

Which sounds like not having contingency funds baked in.

Having a net zero margin for error is a dangerous game to play, because there are *always* snags of some sort, and having a little extra cash in the budget can help smooth those over.

Also, the head of the "Rapier" is totally taken right from Neon Genesis Evangelion.

And the "Wolverine" looks an awful lot like the mechs from Metal Gear Solid 4 (though those lack arms).

Not to imply anything untoward, just saying I'm noticing where some influences may have been derived.

 Forar wrote:

 disel91 wrote:
With the changes we made what little profit there was will evaporate, but the project will not be bankrupt.

Which sounds like not having contingency funds baked in.

Having a net zero margin for error is a dangerous game to play, because there are *always* snags of some sort, and having a little extra cash in the budget can help smooth those over.

Also, the head of the "Rapier" is totally taken right from Neon Genesis Evangelion.

And the "Wolverine" looks an awful lot like the mechs from Metal Gear Solid 4 (though those lack arms).

Not to imply anything untoward, just saying I'm noticing where some influences may have been derived.

You can check the concept artists inspirations on his deviantart profile, I remember he listed them and you got some of them correctly =)

This kickstarter showed the issues we need to improve to be more successful in the future and funds are certainly one of them.

Hi there! The project will be relaunched with some fixes for the mistakes made, so this thread will be updated when that happens =)

Hi, everyone!

I recently acquired a Form 1+ 3d printer and decided to try and print some of our models.
This is the result =3

Interesting stuff, didn't see your original kickstarter, but the concept models look cool

 Vaktathi wrote:
Interesting stuff, didn't see your original kickstarter, but the concept models look cool

Thanks! The kickstarter didn't get 400 gbp out of 1600 and we sort of failed there xD

But since then all of the models have been redone on 3D













And instead of doing another one we can just print them on demand. Printing is cheap actually =)

 disel91 wrote:

And instead of doing another one we can just print them on demand. Printing is cheap actually =)

Yea I was about to comment that things like Shapeways look much more up this alley than a full on minis manufacturing

 kenshin620 wrote:

 disel91 wrote:

And instead of doing another one we can just print them on demand. Printing is cheap actually =)

Yea I was about to comment that things like Shapeways look much more up this alley than a full on minis manufacturing

The problem with shapeways is that they still charge a lot (like 20 times more 0_o), so it is cheaper to get hold of your own printer, if such an option appears.

I'm really glad you guys weren't put off by the failed kickstarter. Looking forwards to seeing the new 3D prints of your designs as I really thought they had potential to be great models.

 David Clarke wrote:
I'm really glad you guys weren't put off by the failed kickstarter. Looking forwards to seeing the new 3D prints of your designs as I really thought they had potential to be great models.

You can order them now if you want. Since we have only one printer, we can't print a lot of models fast, but that means that all people who want to order them will have to wait =)
PM me or send an email to this address lorddisel@gmail.com if you want to order anything or to see the miniatures range.

In the meantime, some more photos of printed and painted stuff :3

Wolverine (railgun and missiles options)



Guardian





Rapier (yes, he is mocking his enemies)





Heavy Assault Suit (with machine guns and missiles)

Can you throw scale photos and (ideally) unpainted pics?