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Bah, I hate it when logic ruins things.

 Melcavuk wrote:
October 11th is a sunday, I thought all releases were done on Saturdays these days?

Sorry, thats the date he said for preorders.

I don't normally post stuff like this but the guy seems pretty genuine for other stuff. He admittedly had no idea of the content tho.

 Nevelon wrote:
They already did a Mk. VI plastic box.

Just back in the ‘80s

Not to go too off-topic but they're still making some Beakies. Now I know that wouldn't be enough for a full army, just wanted to mention.

On a sidenote, since people brought up Armor types, I think the guy who got me into 40k really likes Mark 4 Armor, I could be forgetting though (might've been Mark 2 or 3).

My favorite? Mark 7. Guess I'm just boring that way. Though looking them up now, I quite like Mark 5 Armor, mostly because it looks similar but a bit jazzier, might be unfluffy to have that on HH Dark Angels though (assuming those came out and I got them).

If MSRP for the amount of SM we have been talking about turns out to be approximately 75GBP/120 USD, I will likely buy three or four sets.

 Manchu wrote:
If MSRP for the amount of SM we have been talking about turns out to be approximately 75GBP/120 USD, I will likely buy three or four sets.

Same, it'll be a dirt cheap basis for any legion army, especially if the hands are an easy switch for FW special and heavy weapons to make the Special Weapon squads and Legion heavy support teams.

 Manchu wrote:
If MSRP for the amount of SM we have been talking about turns out to be approximately 75GBP/120 USD, I will likely buy three or four sets.

[Insert Heavy Breathing Meme]

75 British Pound Moneys or ~$140 US for the following is a do-it-now price for me. I'll take 2, sir. And some primer.

 Talys wrote:

via anonymous sources 8-26-2015

Horus Heresy: Battle for Ultramar Miniatures Contents:

44 miniatures
Artificier Armor Centurion
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10)
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10)
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10)

Cataphractii Terminator Praetor
Cataphractii Terminator Squad (x5)
Cataphractii Terminator Squad (x5)

Contemptor Dreadnought
Unknown model (conflicting reports say a “counter to Contemptor”, or simply a 2nd Contemptor)

Decal sheet for multiple legions, split evenly between Loyalist and Traitor Legions

which of the Forgworld HH books are required to play the Forgworld version of 30k? do I need them all? can I get away with the smaller red books? Is one book more important than another?

I have the Legions of the crusade red book and that has all the rules for the Legions minus the Primarchs. Its a really cool book with lots of options and you can give your army special abilities that fits in with one of the legions fluff.

Daston's post above helps, but can someone be so kind as to explain/clarify the specific difference between the Isstvan Campaign Legions and the Crusade Army List? (The Smaller Red Books)

I get they are non-fluff, shortened compilations taken from the three Isstvan big books, and from the website the Isstvan Campaign Legions has all the specific legion unit entries, but what exactly is in the Crusade Army List?

I see it refers to "complete profiles, special rules and wargear" but how is that different? Terrain? Other imperium Forces? General Rules?

Suggested to buy both? Eyeing that 100 pound shipping deal.

Thank you in advance.

Crusade Army list is a generic army list that can be used for all Legions, whereas the Isstvan book is a supplement to this that deals with Legion-specific units, special characters and formations. You'll need the Crusade book to use the Isstvan book.

Thanks for the response BrookM.

So to cement my understanding in a somewhat 40k analogy, The Crusade List would be like the standard unit entries in the Space Marine Codex, but the Isstvan book would be the other sections with chapter rules, special characters and units.

Reese wrote:
Thanks for the response BrookM.

So to cement my understanding in a somewhat 40k analogy, The Crusade List would be like the standard unit entries in the Space Marine Codex, but the Isstvan book would be the other sections with chapter rules, special characters and units.

Exactly.

However there has been some additions/updates to these lists in Horus Heresy books 4 & 5.
As I recall the updates in Book 4 are mostly around a campaign system and additional equipment.
Book 5 has bigger changes, but you really only need it if you're playing Ultramarines, and possibly Word Bearers.

-frank

Book IV has NO Legiones Astartes units, just a new campaign system, a set of generic relics and a specific relic for each Legion. Other than that, it's all about the Solar Auxilia and Questoris Knights.

Book V has the Ultramarines and a slightly updated Word Bearers army list with an up to date Lorgar and new Gal Vorbak units.

 SickSix wrote:
If they are all mk IV that kills it for me. :(

The contents of the rumored box would be for me to do Alpha Legion, so the Mk IV would be great for me. I'd go through tac marine bits to sprinkle in a few Mk VI suits, too, and boom, there's the bulk of the army for me.

 kronk wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
If MSRP for the amount of SM we have been talking about turns out to be approximately 75GBP/120 USD, I will likely buy three or four sets.

[Insert Heavy Breathing Meme]

75 British Pound Moneys or ~$140 US for the following is a do-it-now price for me. I'll take 2, sir. And some primer.

 Talys wrote:

via anonymous sources 8-26-2015

Horus Heresy: Battle for Ultramar Miniatures Contents:

44 miniatures
Artificier Armor Centurion
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10)
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10)
Mk IV Maximus Marine Squad (x10)

Cataphractii Terminator Praetor
Cataphractii Terminator Squad (x5)
Cataphractii Terminator Squad (x5)

Contemptor Dreadnought
Unknown model (conflicting reports say a “counter to Contemptor”, or simply a 2nd Contemptor)

Decal sheet for multiple legions, split evenly between Loyalist and Traitor Legions

It'd be such a good deal, I don't believe it for a moment. More likely we'd get 10 marines and a dreadnought one side, 5 marines and 5 terminators the other side, or some bollocks. If they've got spiffy new plastic heresy marines in the works, the last thing they're going to do is give them away for a song. It's more likely we've seen the multi-part kits that will follow after a box set with push-fit crap in it than this wishlisting everyone's doing. 40 multi-part space marines for £75? No gak, I'll take five.

DV has, what, 10 Tacs, 5 Termis, 3 Bikes,1 Company Master and a Librarian on one side and 20 Cultists, 5 Chosen, a Helbrute and a Chaos Lord?

I could see the HH set beign 10 Tacs, a Contemptor, 5 Termis and a Praetor per side, with one side have the Termi Praetor and the other the normal one and a centurion (assuming the pictures in the 1st post are in the box set as there looks to be 2 normal character marines and a termi character marine).

 Talys wrote:
If you take away the snapfit aspect, the model count is close to Space Hulk, which is one of the best-loved box sets GW's ever come out with. Soooo....

Space Hulk's success wasn't strictly because of the model count, it was because it was Space Hulk. Nostalgia was the main driving factor behind that.

The Horus Heresy box is going to sell just because the HH is really popular. I honestly don't think the models really matter that much in the end, people are going to buy it anyway.

It will sell because it is Horus Heresy AND because of the models.

It is the perfect storm for GW!

These look to be full multi-part kits, not snapfit starter models. Think less Dark Vengeance and more like Stormclaw.

I'm still leaning towards Praetor + 10 marines + contemptor vs CDA Praetor + 10 marines + 5 Cataphractii.

Single kits, Tac Squads are about $40 each, TDA are $50 or so, Dreadnoughts are close to $45/50, and the two characters are $30 each in GW terms for multipart kits. Probably closer to 100 GBP/ $170 or so.

Asking for 30 Tacs, 10 terminators, 2 characters, and multiple contemptors for 75 GBP is not going to happen with multipart kits.

 Manchu wrote:
If the figs are Legion-generic, buying multiple boxes is a no-brainer.

Yup. Just add in some FW resin, etched brass, or plastic 40K bits for personality

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
These look to be full multi-part kits, not snapfit starter models. Think less Dark Vengeance and more like Stormclaw.

I'm still leaning towards Praetor + 10 marines + contemptor vs CDA Praetor + 10 marines + 5 Cataphractii.

Single kits, Tac Squads are about $40 each, TDA are $50 or so, Dreadnoughts are close to $45/50, and the two characters are $30 each in GW terms for multipart kits. Probably closer to 100 GBP/ $170 or so.

Asking for 30 Tacs, 10 terminators, 2 characters, and multiple contemptors for 75 GBP is not going to happen with multipart kits.

The AoS starter isn't snapfit IIRC and it's £75. It has 47 models, 2 of which are around contemptor sized. It certainly isn't in the realms of impossibility.

That said, 20 Tacs total is more likely.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
These look to be full multi-part kits, not snapfit starter models. Think less Dark Vengeance and more like Stormclaw.

I'm still leaning towards Praetor + 10 marines + contemptor vs CDA Praetor + 10 marines + 5 Cataphractii.

Single kits, Tac Squads are about $40 each, TDA are $50 or so, Dreadnoughts are close to $45/50, and the two characters are $30 each in GW terms for multipart kits. Probably closer to 100 GBP/ $170 or so.

Asking for 30 Tacs, 10 terminators, 2 characters, and multiple contemptors for 75 GBP is not going to happen with multipart kits.

The AoS starter isn't snapfit IIRC and it's £75. It has 47 models, 2 of which are around contemptor sized. It certainly isn't in the realms of impossibility.

That said, 20 Tacs total is more likely.

OK, I pretty much equate snapfit with the monopose figures as far as sprue space and complexity go. 10 marines or Sigmarines take up less sprue space as monopose models than they do as full multi-part kits with all the options.
Stormwolf was 10 marines and 5 terminators plus a character vs 5 nobz, 10 gretchin + herder (together priced about the same as a tac squad box) and a unit of killa kans (priced about the same as a dreadnought kit) and a character, for $125.
Deathstorm has a Dreadnought, 5 marines, and 5 terminators plus a character vs a broodlord, 8 genestealers, 3 warriors, and a carnifex, again for $125.
My guess for the HH box puts it right around that range of kit contents so I'd imagine about the same price. I'd also expect GW to do the "limit 2 per order" thing they did for Deathstorm as well. Just hope it lasts longer than Stormclaw (Deathstorm is still around at my FLGS). Judging by the naming scheme of these boxes, I could see a Word Bearers vs Ultramarines box being called Ruinstorm.

Though if I am wrong, and they do stuff more models in the box at that price point, well we all win so I can live with being completely wrong on my prediction. Either way I will be saving money for 2 of the boxes.

40k open day is October 17th. The warhammer world has blanked out what will be new and available on that day. 2 more weeks of AoS releases. Couple of weeks of tau then heresy is the hope/presumption.

Contents. I don't believe the rumours of 30/10/2 for tac/ terms/ contemptors.
I think it's more likely with 20/5/1. If it is at £75...

Also depends if there's any board pieces ala execution force/ space hulk to represent the underground warfare.

Board pieces plus the lesser amount of figures could still shift for near a hundred quid. Ultimately shifting the basic core to plastic is going to generate savings on resin. I've bought my ticket to the open day and will be having some money well stocked to hopefully get two boxes and some legion specific bits and contemptor weapons on the day...

I want the boxset SOOOOO BAD.
Dont have to shell out 60 quid for a squad

Honestly the more I'm hearing the more interested I am in this stuff.

Biggest thing holding me back is eventually having to get Forge World stuff and Dark Angels not being released yet.

rtb02 wrote:
Contents. I don't believe the rumours of 30/10/2 for tac/ terms/ contemptors.
I think it's more likely with 20/5/1. If it is at £75...

How would you do a 2-player game with 20/5/1?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

rtb02 wrote:
Contents. I don't believe the rumours of 30/10/2 for tac/ terms/ contemptors.
I think it's more likely with 20/5/1. If it is at £75...

How would you do a 2-player game with 20/5/1?

10 Marines and 5 Termies versus 10 Marines and 1 Dread?

20/10/2, with 2 HQs, would be pretty plausible and not too far out of line from 40K starters over the past few years.

30/10/2 with 2 HQs and no chapter-specific mouldings is plausible if GW's aim is to sell a huge number of sets (it goes from a "maybe buy 1" to a "definitely buy 2-4" for most veteran players) and to then sell a huge number of Forgeworld add-ons. If I were GW, it's exactly what I'd do, particularly if I had a wider strategic need to make a load of money in that quarter.

There were some rumors that said the armies in the box would be asymmetrical. So it could very well be the termies for one side and the contemptor for the other and then both sides have the same number of tac marines. Then the HQ would be one in termie and one in normal power armor.

That would be a tiny starter set though compared to recent starters. Assuming 10 Tacs per side, that's 28 models.

Even the Hobbit starter set had more models then that.