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Paulson, I gotta say, that card game cheater deserved to be decked. If money was on the line, like tournament costs, and there were prizes, he essentially stole from the other player. Not only should he have been decked, but also banned from all future tournaments and be blacklisted on the event's website, so anyone viewing it can see what kind of a player he is and deny him entrance. That guy is a total scumbag.

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Worst "cheating" I think I did was when I played some dude who was playing his army... IDK... crazy. Like, making up what numbers he needed to hit, or something. No idea how he was getting them, think he might not have adjusted to an edition change. Whatever he was doing, the numbers weren't in his favor (this was ages ago, can't remember the details).

I tried to correct him like five times, then he got belligerent. So, I stomped the crap out of him playing the rules as written while he played some made up rules that gave him a serious disadvantage. IMHO, he deserved it.


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 Talizvar wrote:
 Easy E wrote:
Also, since I have played so many editions of 40K, I tend to get them mixed up a bit in the rules department.
This is my #1 problem with MY cheating.
I have played since second edition.
I do not even want to go into how many ways I can mess-up a jink-save without a quick re-study of my "cheat(avoid)-sheet" before a game as well as to avoid applying a 4th or 5th edition rule.
Never mind rules in this codex or "oh wait, was that 2 revisions back??".


Hear, hear. I am new to 7th and there are so many things I do not know.

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Notable times I've been conned in the past:
* It seems like every other game I'll turn around and when I turn back, my opponent has generated all his psychic powers and warlord traits, and wouldn't you know they're exactly the ones he wanted!


I use the maelstrom cards for my warlord traits which I shuffle then get my opponent to choose the card so we both know it's completely random as to which one I get. Would do the same if I had the psychic power cards but I always make sure my opponent sees what I roll.

As for cheating/being cheated, I've had some people do the "extra couple of inches" thing or "misinterpreting" rules in their favour thing, even GW staff.

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I don't know the rules well enough to cheat deliberately.
My worst 40K crimes are taking on board terrible advice and applying it, only to find out I'm doing something from 5th, WHFB or just plain wrong.
It does mean that when I do know something for certain (e.g that you can save roll for an Executioner getting hot) I have to be very very patient explaining that I'm right to someone who had to explain how wounding works to me.

Because I'm basically very bad at keeping things in my head (not sure if it's me or the system), I do a lot of things to avoid being thought of as cheating. My army is printed out on little reference cards that I give to my opponant so they may help with rolls and I don't slow them down. I take up fails and roll into a KR dice tray so I can show what FRFSRF did with those 28 dice. I have descriptions of squads on the army cards ("Red squad, snow base") so there's no confusion.

So far as cheating against me, there are many players who calm down and play straight once they realise I'm learning. But some will do things like not even using tape measures for 6", rolling behind buildings, making saves when I'm off for a pee, or general sketchiness. So long as I know it's happening and it's not an actual rule, I don't care enough to call them on it.


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The only times I've cheated, they weren't intended. Examples include Jinking and then firing at full BS (although this is mainly with my Orks, so it won't matter too much than if it was say Grav Bikers) and picking up an extra dice, but I always count before I roll and take away a hit if I roll extra hit to make up for it.

Translucent dice I have a huge problem with because at a glance it's hard to tell what you got, even more so when an opponent immediately picks them up. Then there is also picking up hits, because you can palm that extra dice. I prefer picking up misses, because any extra dice you pick up only hinders you.

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I used to play with a tournament crowd and I'd say I was the one who made the most mistakes. Usually, because I played Orks, it was to do with movement (accidentally hovering the measuring tape or not being careful enough moving my 180 dudes). TLOS used to cause me a lot of problems too because I was used to the abstract line of sight rules (I've also played from 2nd ed).

It's really embarassing when you accidentally cheat that way. I think most "cheating" is really that - GW rules are so convoluted and full of tiny exceptions and special cases that it's easy for players to become confused, and then in the heat of a game to go with the most optimistic interpretation or version.

That's one big reason why these days I prefer simple and elegant rule systems that base the depth and interest in play around solid core mechanics instead of memorizing a million special cases.

   
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My "cheats" were accidents really:

At the last LVO I confidently declared to my opponent that strength of explosion inside a transprt was 4 and outside was 3. It was in his favor, but I was wrong.

Ive first turned assaulted out of scout with deffkoptas and it made a difference. Best part it was in a video battlreport.

I keep rolling gets hot for my own multimeltas for some reason.

Some other tourney issue at my first. I was getting slaughtered and opponent made a mistake in my favor. Realized it later. Told me about it. I offered to forefeit the game, but it didnt matter over all.


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Not sure if someones cheated against me. I always felt that it was their problem if they did.

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The best cheating I've seen is a guy play a 6th and 7th edition necron army. Best rules from each codex. Hilarious.

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a_dead_thing wrote:
The best cheating I've seen is a guy play a 6th and 7th edition necron army. Best rules from each codex. Hilarious.
We've had a guy at our store suggesting this to a new Necron player as well, telling him to cherry pick entries from the two most recent codex books.



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Talizvar wrote:Really, the easiest "cheat" is just to measure the table.
We usually play such small tables that just knowing the middle of the table is enough.
I am unsure how to treat this as a cheat...
Many games do not have the "guess weapons" anymore, heck, my terrain is typically mounted on a 12" x 12" square so guess mechanics would not be all that hard a guess.

If you're talking 'accidentally' measuring the table, then sure.
If you're talking knowing the size of the table + learning to eyeball it, before pre measuring was a thing, then... that's not really cheating, that's experience.

Talizvar wrote:
 Easy E wrote:
Also, since I have played so many editions of 40K, I tend to get them mixed up a bit in the rules department.
This is my #1 problem with MY cheating.
I have played since second edition.
I do not even want to go into how many ways I can mess-up a jink-save without a quick re-study of my "cheat(avoid)-sheet" before a game as well as to avoid applying a 4th or 5th edition rule.
Never mind rules in this codex or "oh wait, was that 2 revisions back??".
I've played since 3rd.
I am also guilty of this on occasion.

 Dysartes wrote:
 Phydox wrote:
When I played fantasy, I used a rule to my advantage. In an old skaven army book, the wording for the Warp lightning cannon said if its charged, the unit would always flee as its reaction. It didn't say it had to be a possible successful charge. So every turn I'd declare a charge against it with one of my units, regardless of distance so it could never fire.


6th ed Skaven, with the Ratling Gun o' Stupidity - yeah, I did that myself, against a rules-lawery git of a staff member in my local GW...

...with Dwarfs.

Don't think he knew what was going on to start with when I declared a charge on it with my GW warriors, until I asked him to look carefully in his army book. Cue the guy going off on one, while I just pointed out that them's the rules in the book, so his WLC was gonna have to run off the board.

I'm fairly sure I still lost the game, but that amused me (and most of the people who were around) for the evening.
You're Skaven, isn't being... sneaky part of the job description?

I don't cheat (aside from the above 'cheating' from forgotten rules, but I'm happy to rectify to averages, or simply use the correct rules in future when it happens) with most things.
With Dark Eldar / Skaven, sometimes it's thematic to... bend the rules a little, even in silly pointless ways. So maybe I do, maybe I don't.
(I'll clarify this with, if I do, it's usually just adding 5-30pts of pointless wargear, that MIGHT be situationally useful. Like replacing a haemies pistol with a stinger when he'll never fire the thing)

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