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What I've heard is that Venethrax and Scaverous got better.

Venethrax almost seems a different caster. He's interesting but I've not tried him out. Certainly wont be scaring warbeasts as much as he used to.

I always found Scaverous was a bit boring I've not spent a long time looking at him but he doesn't seem any more tempting

Well, I think Crxy has indeed been hit hard.
Gaspy2, one of the best casters in the game, lost an edge. Other top casters like Butcher3 didn't get hit at all.
No free strikes while incorporal is also a nerf which hits Blackbanes for instance.

Question is, has anyone been hit harder that Cryx, and does that mean that Cryx were OP in MK2?

I hate Gaspy 2 and his Feat. I couldn't deal with it. Would be a game of attrition and then BLT and bane knights would kill my caster.

I am not so sure about Bile Thralls anymore, the cost does seem a bit much for such a slow, easy to hit, squishy suicide unit. Likewise, Mechanithralls are now easier to hit (something I agree with) but have lost their edge in hitting power, something that made them really good and made up for their complete lack of shooting. Bane Warrior have also lost out, now no longer having stealth, despite fluff wise being surrounded by a pall of shadows.
The Seether has also been whacked with the nerfbat and all the while the units that where not good (EG, Bloat thralls) are still not that good.

 master of ordinance wrote:
I am not so sure about Bile Thralls anymore, the cost does seem a bit much for such a slow, easy to hit, squishy suicide unit. Likewise, Mechanithralls are now easier to hit (something I agree with) but have lost their edge in hitting power, something that made them really good and made up for their complete lack of shooting. Bane Warrior have also lost out, now no longer having stealth, despite fluff wise being surrounded by a pall of shadows.
The Seether has also been whacked with the nerfbat and all the while the units that where not good (EG, Bloat thralls) are still not that good.

Bane Knights got also hit as they lost weapon master. It was mitigated a bit when they are on the charge. Overall, a faction that lost an edge.

My problem with Cryx was that most of my stuff is dead by the time it gets into combat from shooting.

The changes seem like it'll take even more time to get to combat, even less will get there, and the stuff that gets there hits less hard :S

 obsidianaura wrote:
My problem with Cryx was that most of my stuff is dead by the time it gets into combat from shooting.

The changes seem like it'll take even more time to get to combat, even less will get there, and the stuff that gets there hits less hard :S

Exactly.
Moreover, Cryx armies made solely out of infantry (with some arc nodes) were really strong in MK2. In MK3, however, each army has much more points available for the battle group which will make armies Warjack/Warbeast heavier.

 obsidianaura wrote:
My problem with Cryx was that most of my stuff is dead by the time it gets into combat from shooting.

The changes seem like it'll take even more time to get to combat, even less will get there, and the stuff that gets there hits less hard :S

Well, I cant say I didnt predict this

Well, I can't even say what caster to take. Goreshade1 and Gaspy1 seem to have improved but not that much that I will use them. Deneghra1 is still good but not good enough if you ask me. I'll put my Cryx army on hold and try my Cyriss first.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, I can't even say what caster to take. Goreshade1 and Gaspy1 seem to have improved but not that much that I will use them. Deneghra1 is still good but not good enough if you ask me. I'll put my Cryx army on hold and try my Cyriss first.

This is exactly what I've done. I'm dropping Cryx and moving onto Cyriss. Trying an Iron Mother list out tonight.

My Cryx are slowly being sold off via eBay. One thing I will say is that back in MK2 stuff coming out towards the end of the edition normally weren't taken because the early stuff seemed so much better.

I guess softening the old stuff means Cryx players will be more tempted.

 obsidianaura wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, I can't even say what caster to take. Goreshade1 and Gaspy1 seem to have improved but not that much that I will use them. Deneghra1 is still good but not good enough if you ask me. I'll put my Cryx army on hold and try my Cyriss first.

This is exactly what I've done. I'm dropping Cryx and moving onto Cyriss. Trying an Iron Mother list out tonight.

My Cryx are slowly being sold off via eBay. One thing I will say is that back in MK2 stuff coming out towards the end of the edition normally weren't taken because the early stuff seemed so much better.

I guess softening the old stuff means Cryx players will be more tempted.

No, I'm not selling my Cryx. I spend too much time painting and modeling them. In view of mk3, this army is not much worth at the market.

Denny 1 is still a back breaker. She didn't really lose much and her feat is as powerful as ever. Her spell list is a little different, but not the end of the world.

I also think that how focus prevents damage now will be better for her. She can keep 1 or 2 on her and help mitigate an unexpected shot or hit on her. I'll have to play some more with her to see if that plays out.

I am not as familiar with him, but Gaspy3 seems to be getting a lot of attention. And a bunch of the lists have him with Raiders and a kraken. I have raiders and the Kraken already and am putting Gaspy3 together right now. Looking forward to building some lists with that as my core.

I do miss my old Raiders already. They could do just about anything. But I think they will end up being fine the more I look at them and expect them to be a mainstay in a lot of my lists.

I'm in wait and see mode as to the factions. I think they will be a lot closer than many think. The main rules are barely out. You still have future releases, And no theme forces yet. On top of that PP has said they are going to be actively errata-ing things and none of us know exactly what that will entail, either. Too many unknowns and too little time to jump ship. And Mk3 overall looks like an improvement and a funner game.

Not sure if the future looks bright for Cryx.

Gaspy3 was a good caster in MK2. Not sure if he changed much in MK3. If not, a Kraken may not be necessary. A Leviathan led by Aiakos could be fine too.

Got a game in last night. 75 points vs Legion with Gaspy3 (first time playing him) He and the Kraken did most of my work. Most of my army got shot off the table, but those two ate thru the vast majority of my opponents army in 6 rounds and snagged me a draw in a game I should've lost.

Played a game against pSkarre. Kraken, double raiders etc. She's solid, and despite the complaints and the comments about how the sky fell on them, the raiders got plenty work done. Gang is ruthless on them. Ended up losing in the end, but that's what you get when its your fourth game with retribution!

Overall, I think cryx will be ok

Were you playing an objective?

 obsidianaura wrote:
Were you playing an objective?

?

Of course we were playing objectives.

I was also playing an entirely new faction. Hence the loss.

He may have been asking that of the user who had a draw. I got to admit I'm curious about how he drew a game.

 motyak wrote:
He may have been asking that of the user who had a draw. I got to admit I'm curious about how he drew a game.

If you are asking me then, yes. We were playing a scenario from the book. Mosh pit I think. We each had 1 control point after 6 rounds. Game ends, Draw. We haven't gotten all the Steamroller scenarios printed up yet so just played the basic ones.

Werl, i think ill try Sturgis2. He has some Cryx signature spells like parasite, teleport, blood rain, and occultation.
Moreover his feat allows aggressive play.

It's hard to feel any sympathy for people crying about the faction's nerf. So many people in MkII who used to play Khador, Trolls or Cygnar got sick of losing and started Cryx. They deserve getting what was coming to them.

 Bloviator wrote:
It's hard to feel any sympathy for people crying about the faction's nerf. So many people in MkII who used to play Khador, Trolls or Cygnar got sick of losing and started Cryx. They deserve getting what was coming to them.

Well. We Cryx players try to deal with it. Our army is still strong but plays a bit differently.

 Bloviator wrote:
It's hard to feel any sympathy for people crying about the faction's nerf. So many people in MkII who used to play Khador, Trolls or Cygnar got sick of losing and started Cryx. They deserve getting what was coming to them.

Yeah, screw people who tried multiple factions before they found one they liked and enjoyed playing. They should be like the cool people and like the first faction you play no matter what! LOL

Seriously, people play to have fun and if they had more fun playing Cryx then why bash them? Just like now, if people have more fun playing not-Cryx then more power to them!

Yeah, a lot of the cries are a bit over the top and excessive. But most people are just going back to playing and learning how to win in the new edition. Pretty much like the vast majority of edition changes for pretty much any game. Some models get buffed, some get toned down and there are new combos. I went thru 5 of them playing 40k and a few with other games. Nerfs are a bummer, but so far I'm more inclined to say mk 3 changes are a needed rebalance. But I've only played a few games.

Honestly I don't see what there is to complain about on Cryx. The powerful infantrymachine lists have been taken away, same as everyone's, but since Cryx's were more powerful than the others it looks worse for them.

I got into an argument over on BoLS with an angry Cryx player who claimed that the Slayer is actually really bad; after a more detailed analysis I believe you could make an argument that it's the strongest of the four 'basic' warjacks in the main factions (Ironclad, Crusader, Juggernaut, Slayer). Its damage output is marginally lower, it's just as tough once you factor in the fact that you have to spend more resources to hit it (leaving you less to use on damage), the way Combo Strike is worded you have to cripple both its arms to actually lower its damage output, and it's the fastest of the four.

To any Cryx players who are grumpy or looking for ways to make their army work I believe that the faction has become more synergy-dependent than it was in MkII. Things you used to be able to spam in a vacuum don't work that way anymore, you need to take more advantage of support and numbers. I can be more specific if someone wants to ask about making a specific unit work.

Well, the Bane units have been nerfed but the Satyxis units are as strong as they have been. I agree Cryx armies must rely more than ever on synergy.