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 Mr Morden wrote:
HoundsofDemos wrote:
I'm gonna assume at some point both will get some formation that lets you take them unbound. I have no interest in the custodes, but as a marine player i'd love to ally in a SOS squade 75 points for bolter babes, who can all take flamers. 85 points buy them a FA rhino and rush them forward.


GW's Draft FAQ says no sharing transports during deployment.


I know, Id start them behind the rhino and then first term hop them in. The fact that neither gets a transport option is disappointing since pretty much every imperial army has DTs

Actually just notice that sisters of silence are a solid and cheap melee unit. with the great blades, their I5 two attacks at strength four ap2.

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A quick question here:

I have a few unassembled Stormcast Eternals from AOS. I don't play that game, but I have them anyway. I plan on buying 10 or so Custodes. How out of play would the Stormcast Eternals look next to Custodes if I used the leftover weapons and heads to convert them into Custodes? Are their armors close enough it wouldn't matter?
   
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I think, as with anything - convert them enough and no one would care. In other words they should have the proper equipment and be of similar size/based appropriately. A lot of people were already making custodes out of the Sigmarine figures so I don't think it's much of a stretch --- perhaps an enterprising 3rd party company would make arms for them?
   
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Don't know if I should keep them, or convert them into something else...

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Aren't the Sigmarines quite a bit bigger?

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 Insectum7 wrote:
Aren't the Sigmarines quite a bit bigger?


Sigmarines are larger than a Space marine, but so is a Custode. Both are on 40mm Bases and are heads and shoulders taller than a Space Marine.
   
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Custodes.... love them. Love their fluff, the look, the rules, the models, etc.

However, we all know 2+ doesn't do so well these days (at least in 40k... maybe not so much in 30k). Grav, etc will make short work of these guys who are very pricey. My opinion is not too many will hit the table just for that fact. In some ways cataphractii terminators can do more with more options for less points.

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 455_PWR wrote:
Custodes.... love them. Love their fluff, the look, the rules, the models, etc.

However, we all know 2+ doesn't do so well these days (at least in 40k... maybe not so much in 30k). Grav, etc will make short work of these guys who are very pricey. My opinion is not too many will hit the table just for that fact. In some ways cataphractii terminators can do more with more options for less points.


Which is kind of why I'm not sure why they didn't make them a usable faction (outside of unbound). Yes, I'm sure we will get some kind of expanded rules in the future. For now though they aren't really over powered. A 2000 point "army" of basic troops and an HQ would be 16 models. I'm not scared of that, and they would seem to be a weak army, not overpowered at all.
   
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 cuda1179 wrote:
A quick question here:

I have a few unassembled Stormcast Eternals from AOS. I don't play that game, but I have them anyway. I plan on buying 10 or so Custodes. How out of play would the Stormcast Eternals look next to Custodes if I used the leftover weapons and heads to convert them into Custodes? Are their armors close enough it wouldn't matter?


Depends on the effort you're willing to put into making them look exciting but not out of place.
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So anyone have any ideas on a good body to start with for building the pillarstodes?


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 Zaku212 wrote:
So anyone have any ideas on a good body to start with for building the pillarstodes?



I have no idea what the feth that is but Heresy minis Big Boris would be a good start.

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Ruin wrote:
 Zaku212 wrote:
So anyone have any ideas on a good body to start with for building the pillarstodes?



I have no idea what the feth that is but Heresy minis Big Boris would be a good start.


He looks like a good start and might actually be OK to repose. and I suggest you get to watching if the emperor had a text-to-speech device so you too can understand the fabulous might of Karstodes, Custodesi & Whamuudes.

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 Vaktathi wrote:
Well, lets not lie to ourselves, it is very broken, the only reason it doesn't appear as broken in comparison is because of some obscene formation bonuses that are even more egregious.


So if you ban unbound because it's broken then you obviously need to ban the more broken stuff as well.

Otherwise it makes as much sense as banning randomly units. "Oh I don't like striking scorpions. They are banned!"

Banning unbound is insanely stupid when it's not actually going to make tournament any more balanced.

Regardless, the point was that there's widespread bias against "unbound", and releasing unit rules that can *only* be played that way belies either a stark ignorance of the customer base or simply an uncaring laziness as it dramatically limits the ability to use such units for many players.


GW isn't much interested in the tiny subsection that is tournaments.

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GW isn't much interested in the tiny subsection that is tournaments.


So that's why they are working with Tournament folk for Age of Sigmar and even streamed a tournament of their own?
   
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I think GW understands the restrictions that unbound only places on 40k usage perfectly- they have implied in their written response that they don't really think they're for 40k.

Most people (ymmv) aren't trying to shoehorn 30k primarchs into a 40k list because it doesn't fit the fluff. These units are from the 30k era and aren't seen on 40k battlefields, hence the difficulties in fielding them for 40k use. Seems reasonable to me.

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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
GW isn't much interested in the tiny subsection that is tournaments.


So that's why they are working with Tournament folk for Age of Sigmar and even streamed a tournament of their own?


Add in the fact that this "tiny subset" are probably where most of the Whales are located...
   
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As some one who fields a lot of deathwing and raven wing....

My deathwing feel emasculated.....more so then normal

That's because Deathwing is garbage in the first place.


N-....n-...No their not ;~; they are super strong, and mean, and scary, and every one runs from them


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tneva82 wrote:
 Vaktathi wrote:
Well, lets not lie to ourselves, it is very broken, the only reason it doesn't appear as broken in comparison is because of some obscene formation bonuses that are even more egregious.


So if you ban unbound because it's broken then you obviously need to ban the more broken stuff as well.

Otherwise it makes as much sense as banning randomly units. "Oh I don't like striking scorpions. They are banned!"

Banning unbound is insanely stupid when it's not actually going to make tournament any more balanced.
My point, again, was to point out that Unbound faces widespread disdain and banning, not to argue that it should or should not be (I'd agree there are more broken things, that doesn't mean that Unbound isn't fundamentally awful and unbalancable game design either however, they're all symptoms of the same thing). One can argue about the validity of that disdain and banning, but ultimately the logic behind it's widespread banning was not what I was getting at. Rather, it was the fact that GW can't be arsed to understand or care about their market.



GW isn't much interested in the tiny subsection that is tournaments.
We know they're not interested in tournaments...anymore. That said, they're also not a "tiny" subsection, and dismissing it as such is neither factual nor productive. Most players aren't hardcore tournament goers, I haven't been to a Tournament myself in quite some time and haven't been to a large tournament in years, but many (if not most) players will engage in some form of tournament at some point, and these comprise the majority of events and gatherings of players (that aren't just a couple buddies in their garage), from small store events up through big things like the LVO, and their common conventions are generally the standard for pickup gaming that comprises another large subsection, if not the majority, of play. Again, the point was, it's silly to release rules for expensive new kits that very large sections of the playerbase won't be using due to widespread common conventions, regardless of how much one agrees or disagrees with those conventions.

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 cuda1179 wrote:
A quick question here:

I have a few unassembled Stormcast Eternals from AOS. I don't play that game, but I have them anyway. I plan on buying 10 or so Custodes. How out of play would the Stormcast Eternals look next to Custodes if I used the leftover weapons and heads to convert them into Custodes? Are their armors close enough it wouldn't matter?

Honestly the first thing I thought of when I saw the Custodes was "Huh, GW sure does wanna push those Stormcast Eternals"
Not only would it be acceptable to use them as Custodes, but I would flat out be disappointed if a handful of players don't do this. I don't even see the need to convert anything at all (especially since the shooting attack comes from the freaking spear anyway, so why model a gun?)

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Well, the custodes now have detachment option that allows them to have either a 6++ or 5++ depending on the number of units within the detachment

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The custodes are good, no doubt about that; two editions ago they would have had the community on fire over how broken they are but as is...not so much. The no dedicated transport thing isn't the big issue, the only viable melee units in the game that actually use transports are Wulfen and certain Harlequin builds and neither of those actually NEED a transport. The most commonly used melee units(and the ones that are even close to the cost) move 12" a turn and don't use transports.

So they're only okay on their own, how about in a deathstar? The closest comparison is obviously with GK paladins which the Custodes are stronger and cheaper in most categories so seem like an easy slot in. Few issues, 1 Draigo is super usefull and you need GKs anyway to take him 2. No native invul without taking a shield or taking 2-3 units which you wouldn't in a star. 3. No easy access to FNP, have to get it from powers or sanguinary priests. 4. No inherent psychic so you are again relying on getting Hammerhand, Endurance, Invis, and/or Veil from attached characters. 5. To make them the basis of a superfriends star and still get ironpriest(in ITC and many other tournament formats) You limit yourself to EITHER a libcon or grey knights for psychic. Obviously if you don't use one of those formats that point isn't relevant.

Are they usuable? Certainly. Are they significantly better than our other options, I'm not so convinced.


 
   
 
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