Malifaux Through the Breach - Malifaux RPG Kickstarter - Pics of Minis and Shipping boxes (Pg 52)

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**Alfndrate**

Yeah, originally Santana was a gift to Henchman who ran enough events during the summer campaign, or those of us that worked at least a day's worth of work at GenCon. We weren't allowed to tell our players about it, show the concept art, or even let them know of it's existence.

**RiTides**

Alfndrate wrote:
Yeah, originally Santana was a gift to Henchman who ran enough events during the summer campaign, or those of us that worked at least a day's worth of work at GenCon. We weren't allowed to tell our players about it, show the concept art, or even let them know of it's existence.

Yeah, what a great use of a miniature gaming model

"Here's this awesome model... now go put it in your closet!"

(To be fair... there's where most of mine end up, anyway

)

**Alfndrate**

She's currently sitting in her box, I pulled her out long enough to oooh and aaahh over it, and then realized I don't play that crew, but probably will in the future.

She's either going to get painted up and used as display, or I'll set her aside for prize support. Or I'll get a second from this KS drive and use that one as prize support lol.

**decker_cky**

cincydooley wrote:I just think their 'special models' for this are lazy on all fronts. I know with Santana they said that she may be made available later for something, but I just dont think this is the right something.

IMO, they should have a KS exclusive model. That way, it would at least show they put some additionally effort into making the KS 'special' instead of just rehashing stuff they already have.

The way Wyrd does their miniatures, they always have later periods of availability to get exclusive minis (like their birthday this year). Particularly if the exclusives are plastic, there's never going to be an exclusive available for one thing then never again. However, with that factored in, they do already have a mini made special for the kickstarter - the Hannah miniature. There'll likely be other occasions to get it, but it's the kickstarter exclusive.

As to using old exclusives being lazy - I think it's one of the smartest ideas for stretch goals. They draw people in, but have already been produced and Wyrd knows the cost ahead of time. There's issues with the placement of stretches, the selection of some of them, and the quantity of them, but the limited edition stretches are great from a miniatures perspective (from a pure RPG perspective, the stretches haven't been as great).

**cincydooley**

She's not a KS exclusive at all. I've already had that confirmed. And based on WHEN this will probably actually ship, I'd expect it to be the "special edition" GenCon mini.

It's lazy because they're not doing anything to make the KS special, as I already said. These are models that already exist, and it takes them literally no effort to add them in. The Hanging Tree they're thrown in there because they had a TON left over at GenCon. I don't have any sales figures to back this up, but based on apperances and general response at GenCon, it wasn't terribly well received.

**Catyrpelius**

cincydooley wrote:
She's not a KS exclusive at all. I've already had that confirmed. And based on WHEN this will probably actually ship, I'd expect it to be the "special edition" GenCon mini.

It's lazy because they're not doing anything to make the KS special, as I already said. These are models that already exist, and it takes them literally no effort to add them in. The Hanging Tree they're thrown in there because they had a TON left over at GenCon. I don't have any sales figures to back this up, but based on apperances and general response at GenCon, it wasn't terribly well received.

There aren't many projects that have made minatures exclusivly for Kickstarter. There are alot of projects that have had limited edition stuff created because of Kickstarter but the majority of them have been avalible in some other way later on.

I doubt Hannah is going to be the special edition, spend over $100 and get her free, model for gencon. It's to specific and useable by two few crews. Generally this model has been essentially a mercanary i.e. Miss Demener, an alternate Convict Gunslinger and Miss Terious, an alternate Death Marshal.

**Forar**

cincydooley wrote:
She's not a KS exclusive at all. I've already had that confirmed.

Got a cite for that? Just spent some time searching the forums and the KS, and all I've come up with is the following;

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1334239018/through-the-breach-a-malifaux-roleplaying-game/posts/359153

there will be another version of the RPG Fate Deck, and an alternate sculpt of Hannah available for retail at some point after the Kickstarter

Which leads me to believe that the fate deck and this particular sculpt of Hannah will not be mass produced for retail sale.

Note that like Miss Terious, Santana and other such limited edition figures, I totally expect some to sneak out in the future, be they tournament prizes, Passport to Malifaux objectives, or just snagged through limited release during one of their big event sales (Black Friday/Birthday/Easter/Whatever). So "exclusive" may not mean "never available again, period, end of story, go away", but I doubt there'll be 30 on a store's shelves either.

**spiralingcadaver**

Forar wrote:

there will be another version of the RPG Fate Deck, and an alternate sculpt of Hannah available for retail at some point after the Kickstarter

Which leads me to believe that the fate deck and this particular sculpt of Hannah will not be mass produced for retail sale.

I think the complaint is that the only things that are currently actually exclusive to kickstarter are the hardbound book and the doll... I think people are looking for exclusive things rather than special edition/limited things

**Buzzsaw**

Forar wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
She's not a KS exclusive at all. I've already had that confirmed.

Got a cite for that? Just spent some time searching the forums and the KS, and all I've come up with is the following;

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1334239018/through-the-breach-a-malifaux-roleplaying-game/posts/359153

there will be another version of the RPG Fate Deck, and an alternate sculpt of Hannah available for retail at some point after the Kickstarter

Which leads me to believe that the fate deck and this particular sculpt of Hannah will not be mass produced for retail sale.

Note that like Miss Terious, Santana and other such limited edition figures, I totally expect some to sneak out in the future, be they tournament prizes, Passport to Malifaux objectives, or just snagged through limited release during one of their big event sales (Black Friday/Birthday/Easter/Whatever). So "exclusive" may not mean "never available again, period, end of story, go away", but I doubt there'll be 30 on a store's shelves either.

Cinc confirmed this by direct communication with Jacqulyn at Wyrd;

By definition, special edition means that the model may be available during special promotions at some point in the future.

This applies to any item we have labeled as "Special Edition." Any item that is labeled "Kickstarter Exclusive" will be available exclusively through Kickstarter.

Hope this helps! Please let us know if you have any more questions we can help with.
Jacqulyn

While it is true (as Catyrpelius notes) that items marked as "kickstarter exclusive" are frequently later put to other uses, Wyrd has chose to define the term "Kickstarter Exclusive" as "available exclusively through Kickstarter".

As of now, to the best of my knowledge, only 2 items are marked as "Kickstarter Exclusive": the doll from the $225 pledge level, and the hardcover book from the said pledge level and the "living room" $125 pledge.

**Forar**

Right, which to me just means "we might sell/give away/prize support out any that are left laying around the office".

Which is close enough to "kickstarter exclusive" in my eyes. As in, the best/easiest way to get one is to be a backer. If they end up to 25 of them left on shelves and want to toss them out as prizes or for limited purchase on the store during the next Black Friday/Birthday sale, it wouldn't bother me any.

Like, NE LCB was "Gencon exclusive" from a couple years back. Didn't prevent me from buying 1 of 13 leftover a few weeks back, which in turn doesn't make me think it wasn't 'exclusive', just that I got lucky a few were left collecting dust from failed transactions.

**cincydooley**

Forar wrote:
Right, which to me just means "we might sell/give away/prize support out any that are left laying around the office".

Which is close enough to "kickstarter exclusive" in my eyes. As in, the best/easiest way to get one is to be a backer. If they end up to 25 of them left on shelves and want to toss them out as prizes or for limited purchase on the store during the next Black Friday/Birthday sale, it wouldn't bother me any.

Like, NE LCB was "Gencon exclusive" from a couple years back. Didn't prevent me from buying 1 of 13 leftover a few weeks back, which in turn doesn't make me think it wasn't 'exclusive', just that I got lucky a few were left collecting dust from failed transactions.

She was pretty clear that the only things that were KS exclusives were noted as such. Simply put, I very much disagree with your assessment.

**BrookM**

Salutations!

It's Mack again, and I get to make the update today! Here in the Wyrd office we are starting to hemorrhage people due to holiday travel plans. Since we're down to just a skeleton crew, I'm stepping in to do the updates. I'll actually be handling the updates all next week! I won't be doing one on Christmas day, however, I'm gonna take a whole day off!

Also, while the updates will be happening on the other days, they might come at odd times, as I'm hard at work on the game and tend to get "in the zone." These updates will be a bit more of a "designer's blog" when compared to other updates. I hope you guys don't mind the change in pace for a few days.

I've got another Breach Side Chat happening tomorrow, December 21st... assuming of course that the world doesn't end before 3pm PST. Here's the link: http://ustream.tv/channel/through-the-breach.

Hey, speaking of getting "in the zone," today we hit a pretty big milestone with Through The Breach's progress. I now have the combat rules finished! That might not seem like much, but looking at a full rules, skills, and character creation chapters means one big thing... I'm ready for internal playtesting! That means we are clipping right along!

Tomorrow I plan to sit down and really dig into the magic system. I've talked about my plans a little on Breach Side Chat when it comes to magic. By tommorrow's chat I should have a really firm grasp on things. In one of next weeks update's I'll be able to show an example magic power and maybe even a tome!

And don't forget... you better not pout... I'm telling you why...

**Catyrpelius**

BrookM wrote:
Salutations!

It's Mack again, and I get to make the update today! Here in the Wyrd office we are starting to hemorrhage people due to holiday travel plans. Since we're down to just a skeleton crew, I'm stepping in to do the updates. I'll actually be handling the updates all next week! I won't be doing one on Christmas day, however, I'm gonna take a whole day off!

Also, while the updates will be happening on the other days, they might come at odd times, as I'm hard at work on the game and tend to get "in the zone." These updates will be a bit more of a "designer's blog" when compared to other updates. I hope you guys don't mind the change in pace for a few days.

I've got another Breach Side Chat happening tomorrow, December 21st... assuming of course that the world doesn't end before 3pm PST. Here's the link: http://ustream.tv/channel/through-the-breach.

Hey, speaking of getting "in the zone," today we hit a pretty big milestone with Through The Breach's progress. I now have the combat rules finished! That might not seem like much, but looking at a full rules, skills, and character creation chapters means one big thing... I'm ready for internal playtesting! That means we are clipping right along!

Tomorrow I plan to sit down and really dig into the magic system. I've talked about my plans a little on Breach Side Chat when it comes to magic. By tommorrow's chat I should have a really firm grasp on things. In one of next weeks update's I'll be able to show an example magic power and maybe even a tome!

And don't forget... you better not pout... I'm telling you why...

Hmm, I might be that we get some extra information out of Mack then we'd normally get...

It also looks like they have stoped the weekly early backer rewards.

**Forar**

cincydooley wrote:
She was pretty clear that the only things that were KS exclusives were noted as such. Simply put, I very much disagree with your assessment.

Given that it would be hypocritical of me to love that I may get a Santana (a previously OMGEXCLUSIVE figure) and hate that Hannah might end up in extra hands, I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

We'll find out in 9 months or so either way.

**Catyrpelius**

Forar wrote:
cincydooley wrote:
She was pretty clear that the only things that were KS exclusives were noted as such. Simply put, I very much disagree with your assessment.

Given that it would be hypocritical of me to love that I may get a Santana (a previously OMGEXCLUSIVE figure) and hate that Hannah might end up in extra hands, I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

We'll find out in 9 months or so either way.

For me atleast I enjoy getting a rare model before others and that is what sounds like is going to happen.

Also I saw something about the hannah sculpt that people in this kickstarter are getting being a different pose then the one that will be released later on.

**spiralingcadaver**

Catyrpelius wrote:

Also I saw something about the hannah sculpt that people in this kickstarter are getting being a different pose then the one that will be released later on.

Yeah, but the lack of "KS exclusive" means that it'll almost certainly appear elsewhere once or twice-- IIRC all Wyrd special minis have appeared at least twice, mostly 3-4 times (though some windows are quite brief).

**Catyrpelius**

spiralingcadaver wrote:
Catyrpelius wrote:

Also I saw something about the hannah sculpt that people in this kickstarter are getting being a different pose then the one that will be released later on.

Yeah, but the lack of "KS exclusive" means that it'll almost certainly appear elsewhere once or twice-- IIRC all Wyrd special minis have appeared at least twice, mostly 3-4 times (though some windows are quite brief).

As long as I don't see special edition or limited edition stuff for sale at my FLGS I'm happy.

**spiralingcadaver**

Eh, fair enough-- while I don't like it that much on principle, it did mean I was able to score LCB for less than $200, so I can't complain. BTW, like the new avatar.

**decker_cky**

It's official, Santana for $225 pledges if there's at least 500 pledges of $225 by the end of the KS (the 180 extra pledges should easily be reached).

**Alfndrate**

Might even get a few of the Dining Room or Living Room gamers to bump up to 225...

And for completeness of the news:

Salutations!

It's Mack here again! I'm doing the update a bit ahead of schedule today, 'cus I might duck out early for the holiday.

It's time to announce the arrival of Santana Claus! Now is your chance to score one of the very special limited edition Santana miniatures!

We are doing something a little different, so the stretch goal for our limited edition Santana model isn't based on the overall pledge amount. Instead, if we get 500 people pledging at the Game Room Level ($225 or more), we're going to add a Limited Edition Santana model to all of the Game Room Pledge Levels! This offer is void if the world ends by tonight at midnight.

I've also got another Breach Side Chat today at 3pm PST, so join us on Ustream at http://ustream.tv/channel/through-the-breach.

Hope to see you there!

**Catyrpelius**

spiralingcadaver wrote:
Eh, fair enough-- while I don't like it that much on principle, it did mean I was able to score LCB for less than $200, so I can't complain. BTW, like the new avatar.

Thanks, it was time for a change.

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decker_cky wrote:
It's official, Santana for $225 pledges if there's at least 500 pledges of $225 by the end of the KS (the 180 extra pledges should easily be reached).

Neat, it was also nice to see the update come alittle earlier in the day.

**decker_cky**

Alfndrate wrote:
Might even get a few of the Dining Room or Living Room gamers to bump up to 225...

I'm about 80% likely to increase my pledge, and I know a few more who will do the same. Santana is selling online at $100+ regularly, so if you consider how much extra it adds, it's a pretty good deal for the extra stuff dining room includes.

**Alfndrate**

Caty, Mack did say he might try to sneak off a bit early for the holidays, and he won't be able to type up the post very well while he's doing his breachside chat at 3 PST... I was very happy to see this while it was still daylight lol, since I most likely wouldn't have seen it until 11 or so tonight

**cincydooley**

decker_cky wrote:
It's official, Santana for $225 pledges if there's at least 500 pledges of $225 by the end of the KS (the 180 extra pledges should easily be reached).

Easily Reached? Seriously?

What a weird 'stretch' goal. This goal basically says "You know what, we don't care if we get any new backers." Amazing.

And the Multi-Part model had me so close to upping my pledge....

**decker_cky**

cincydooley wrote:
decker_cky wrote:
It's official, Santana for $225 pledges if there's at least 500 pledges of $225 by the end of the KS (the 180 extra pledges should easily be reached).

Easily Reached? Seriously?

Wait and see...this will easily be reached by the end of the kickstarter - it's a significant increase in value for malifaux players, who are likely the biggest drivers of pledges. If the campaign reaches $250k, it's likely because of the addition of Santana only to the highest level (and Santana makes that much more likely).

cincydooley wrote:
What a weird 'stretch' goal. This goal basically says "You know what, we don't care if we get any new backers." Amazing.

And the Multi-Part model had me so close to upping my pledge....

It's an improvement to the kickstarter designed to get backers to increase their pledges. No different than the typical stretches which let people spend more money, only there's a larger step than is typically included. Getting a very cool single infantry sized model that typically sells for over $100 online is worth it to many.

Also...how does this addition hurt your inclination to pledge? It makes the top pledge better value (that was an issue) but doesn't change the value proposition of the other levels, except that it makes it more likely for the stretches to be reached (meaning that this really increases the value of the other pledges).

**Alfndrate**

Cincy is upset because they're using non-kickstarter exclusive models, and are simply re-hashing old "LE and SE" models

It's no big secret that the money to produce the molds and pay the sculptor would cut into the funds available to the actual game.

**02Laney**

Putting the Santana model (potentially) at the $225 level is one of the brightest things Wyrd has done. It will encourage higher bids, stretch goals might start ticking over as well.

Makes me want to consider upping my bid and I was on the fence for staying with the project a week ago.

EDIT: They can do what they like with miniatures before or after the kickstarter for all I care - if I get a lovely mini, game and bunch of extras at a good price I'm a happy bunny. It's nice to get a kickstarter exclusive, but I can see why Wyrd would want to re-use special miniatures

Laney

**Alfndrate**

02Laney wrote:
Putting the Santana model (potentially) at the $225 level is one of the brightest things Wyrd has done. It will encourage higher bids, stretch goals might start ticking over as well.

Makes me want to consider upping my bid and I was on the fence for staying with the project a week ago.

EDIT: They can do what they like with miniatures before or after the kickstarter for all I care - if I get a lovely mini, game and bunch of extras at a good price I'm a happy bunny. It's nice to get a kickstarter exclusive, but I can see why Wyrd would want to re-use special miniatures

Laney

I'm fairly certain that any company doing plastic injection molds will tell you that the expensive part is get the mold made. Once it's made and you pay it off, the sprues themselves are pennies to make. Let them make all the Santanas, Miss Teriouses and Nightmare Trees they want (though they probably don't have to make too many of the trees

)...

**spiralingcadaver**

Hmm, interesting. I'm feeling like it would have been better for Wyrd to not have the "when it reaches 500" part, because I know I'd have been more likely to impulse jump my level if it had been automatic, rather than a weird stretch goal.

Still a very smart move, as (at least, at the current market value) that adds maybe $100 to the value of the $225 level.

Well, Wyrd is pushing the higher levels to the realm of "interested" from "too much for me", and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

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Seems the Santana thing is working-- a notable (not huge, but substantially better) jump in backers and funding today.

**BrookM**

Are there any pictures of this mini around?