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 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Actually, any unit that has the Demonic special rule gets Unbreakable and Unstable. As even the WoC Daemon Prince has a special rule called 'Daemonic', he now gets Unstable. UNless, of course, you use the Ascendant rules.


The WoC Prince has Daemonic Attacks and Daemonic Invulnerability, but not just Daemonic.
   
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What is Nagashs stat line?
Glotkin seems pretty good for like 200 less points:
Level 4 wizard with 12 wounds (dats alot)
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Pretty awesome changes for my Beastmen, although ambush still blows.

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 BaconSlayer wrote:
 Manfred von Drakken wrote:
Actually, any unit that has the Demonic special rule gets Unbreakable and Unstable. As even the WoC Daemon Prince has a special rule called 'Daemonic', he now gets Unstable. UNless, of course, you use the Ascendant rules.


The WoC Prince has Daemonic Attacks and Daemonic Invulnerability, but not just Daemonic.


Don't have my book handy, so I'm probably misremembering. Just thought they simply Daemonic. Okay, they don't suck, now.

Suddenly, though, all the Daemon armies are going to have WoC Daemon Princes for their generals.

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So can anyone explain why is it that the only way to get wave 1 or 2 is to buy the limited editions? it just seems strange that they would sell completely out of the regular ones and not print more of them and try to force people to buy their "limited edition" books. Has anyone heard anything on when the normal editions will be available again?

 
   
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Mymearan wrote:
They will be printing softback versions.


They are still massively underestimating demand though. Nothing that isn't a limited edition should sell out in 2 hours.
   
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So my predictions rules wise - Book 3 combines Empire and Brettonia into a single list (its logical as it seems Book 3 will be Archaon and there isnt much room left for another Chaos list), Book 4 combines the Elves into a common list. Its possible that these two will flip though (I could easily see Archaons forces having their way with the Empire/Bretonnia while the Elves unite to fight back, and then the human survivors come together at the very end to deal the deathblow).

That would make the factions:
Undead
Chaos
Human
Elves
Dwarves
Orcs & Goblins
Ogres
Lizardmen
Skaven

so, 9 ranges for them to keep supporting rather than the current 15 (not 100% those numbers are correct). I cant really find any more possible combinations they could do, theoretically they could fold dwarves into the humans as well, but considering dwarves are a major fantasy archetype I dont see it happening. I could also see Ogres being folded in with the Greenskins, but I sincerely doubt that would happen.

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Even with combined armies they haven't removed units from the game. You still need the army books for the rules, and they still have to keep making the models for all the units, even units that are similar (Khemri Skeletons vs Vampire Count Skeletons).

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Yeah, but Im imaginimg once whfb 9th hits there wont be a "Beastmen" army book and a "Daemons" army book and a "Warriors of Chaos" any longer, insgead it will be "Legions of Chaos". Also, they havent had to remove units because everything so far has models, though given that in the fluff theyve killed off characters without models, every indication is that by the time they wrap the series up there wont be any more modelless units/characters left.

Beyond that, some pf those kits are "paid for" in the sense that theyve i vested the tons of thousands needed to mane the molds and removing them from production before theyve paid off those costs would be silly.

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Gathering the Informations.

Do you really think that they would opt for the approach which requires you to buy one big book over the approach which nets you anywhere from three to four books for one army?
   
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Well if they charge 3x the normal army book price (for example) for the big book they may well feel they'll get more cash that having 4 individual books

all (they'll think) they have to do is price it to take account of the folk who don't play all 4

(of course increasing the price will drive some away, but GW never seems to worry about that)

 
   
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willb2064 wrote:

They are still massively underestimating demand though. Nothing that isn't a limited edition should sell out in 2 hours.



Deliberately to boost sales, methinks.

With Nagash they printed and shipped 4x as many copies and those all sold out - there's no way in hell they'd assume that they'd only sell 500 copies of Glotkin after that.

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Managed to grab on of the Glotkin Book sets. All my local FLGS were sold out and I got one of the last 2 at GW. From talking to the store owners all of them got more than enough for their pre-orders but their actual stock went out the door in 15 minutes to 2 hours.

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 Hulksmash wrote:
Managed to grab on of the Glotkin Book sets. All my local FLGS were sold out and I got one of the last 2 at GW. From talking to the store owners all of them got more than enough for their pre-orders but their actual stock went out the door in 15 minutes to 2 hours.


As far as I know, in my city (Brisbane) the two GW stores and two FLGS that ordered it only got about 11-13 copies overall, and most of those were from preorders.

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chaos0xomega wrote:
Yeah, but Im imaginimg once whfb 9th hits there wont be a "Beastmen" army book and a "Daemons" army book and a "Warriors of Chaos" any longer, insgead it will be "Legions of Chaos". Also, they havent had to remove units because everything so far has models, though given that in the fluff theyve killed off characters without models, every indication is that by the time they wrap the series up there wont be any more modelless units/characters left.

Beyond that, some pf those kits are "paid for" in the sense that theyve i vested the tons of thousands needed to mane the molds and removing them from production before theyve paid off those costs would be silly.


Bear in mind that many armies have 'dead' characters in their books, including Marius Leitdorf of the Empire, Azhag the Slaughterer of O&G, and Vlad (though now he's back) and Isabella from VC. I doubt they would remove those characters from future books, especially given that they have models.

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Gathering the Informations.

Heh..."The Fall of Altdorf" suggests that Isabella might not be dead for too long.

Oh Elector Count Vlad von Carstein. It has quite the ring to it.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
Do you really think that they would opt for the approach which requires you to buy one big book over the approach which nets you anywhere from three to four books for one army?


Yes actually. For the most part Fantasy is selling pretty poorly, GW is actually losing money on it for the most part, consolidating it down allows them to keep the franchise going while dedicated less time, energy, and resources to it. Further, if you actually consider the combinations Ive proposed theyd actually be propping up weaker selling ranges with more successful ones by doing so (TK via VC, Wood Elves via Dark/High Elves, Empire via Brettonia, and Beastmen via Daemons/Warriors) and in effect remove a barrier of entry for a lot of people (if all you want is a couple select units of daemons and you already have a warriors of chaos army, itseasier to get someone to buy thr couple units than it is to get them to buyba full 2500 pts). Beyond that, at present, GW is averaging what, maybe one army book ler year for Fantasy? For the past few years in ge eral Fantasy has received significantly less support than 40k, to the point that some of those books havent been redone in 3 or so editions. GW stands to make a lot more money in Fantasys case pushing a smaller number of books that appeal to a wider audience every 3-5 years than it does a larger number of books that appeal to only a very small audience every 10-15.

Bear in mind that many armies have 'dead' characters in their books, including Marius Leitdorf of the Empire, Azhag the Slaughterer of O&G, and Vlad (though now he's back) and Isabella from VC. I doubt they would remove those characters from future books, especially given that they have models.


They seemed to have no issue removing a couple characters with models from recent 40k releases (granted very old models), I wouldnt be surprised if a few of them end up being written out of the rules going forward.

Every indication is that End Times/the post End Times world is the new face of Fantasy and that it was a decision made to salvage the franchise after years of declining sales, neglect, and mismqnagement.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
Do you really think that they would opt for the approach which requires you to buy one big book over the approach which nets you anywhere from three to four books for one army?


Given GW's manic dash to cut costs, if producing such a book reduces production, shipping and warehouse costs then yes, I expect them to do it as quickly as they can.

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chaos0xomega wrote:


Yes actually. For the most part Fantasy is selling pretty poorly, GW is actually losing money on it for the most part, consolidating it down allows them to keep the franchise going while dedicated less time, energy, and resources to it. Further, if you actually consider the combinations Ive proposed theyd actually be propping up weaker selling ranges with more successful ones by doing so (TK via VC, Wood Elves via Dark/High Elves, Empire via Brettonia, and Beastmen via Daemons/Warriors) and in effect remove a barrier of entry for a lot of people (if all you want is a couple select units of daemons and you already have a warriors of chaos army, itseasier to get someone to buy thr couple units than it is to get them to buyba full 2500 pts). Beyond that, at present, GW is averaging what, maybe one army book ler year for Fantasy? For the past few years in ge eral Fantasy has received significantly less support than 40k, to the point that some of those books havent been redone in 3 or so editions. GW stands to make a lot more money in Fantasys case pushing a smaller number of books that appeal to a wider audience every 3-5 years than it does a larger number of books that appeal to only a very small audience every 10-15.


I would disagree that they are losing money on Fantasy. If that were truly the case they would have dropped so many of the products already.
I agree with them promoting sales of the less popular armies with the combination books.
Its clever because people with Vampire counts will buy some tomb kings stuff and then the person may be more inclined to buy a full tomb kings army....a toe in the waters to test it them bam you got 2 armies haha
   
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Gathering the Informations.

Not worth it getting into an argument over anything.

I'm just going to say that as of right now, I am enjoying the End Times stuff.
I like seeing the "new" versions of characters.
New Karl Franz is a beast.
I like the new version of Vlad von Carstein and Krell as well, and I really hope that Vlad gets a new model befitting the fact that Vlad is an Elector Count!

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chaos0xomega wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Do you really think that they would opt for the approach which requires you to buy one big book over the approach which nets you anywhere from three to four books for one army?


Yes actually. For the most part Fantasy is selling pretty poorly, GW is actually losing money on it for the most part, consolidating it down allows them to keep the franchise going while dedicated less time, energy, and resources to it. Further, if you actually consider the combinations Ive proposed theyd actually be propping up weaker selling ranges with more successful ones by doing so (TK via VC, Wood Elves via Dark/High Elves, Empire via Brettonia, and Beastmen via Daemons/Warriors) and in effect remove a barrier of entry for a lot of people (if all you want is a couple select units of daemons and you already have a warriors of chaos army, itseasier to get someone to buy thr couple units than it is to get them to buyba full 2500 pts). Beyond that, at present, GW is averaging what, maybe one army book ler year for Fantasy? For the past few years in ge eral Fantasy has received significantly less support than 40k, to the point that some of those books havent been redone in 3 or so editions. GW stands to make a lot more money in Fantasys case pushing a smaller number of books that appeal to a wider audience every 3-5 years than it does a larger number of books that appeal to only a very small audience every 10-15.

Bear in mind that many armies have 'dead' characters in their books, including Marius Leitdorf of the Empire, Azhag the Slaughterer of O&G, and Vlad (though now he's back) and Isabella from VC. I doubt they would remove those characters from future books, especially given that they have models.


They seemed to have no issue removing a couple characters with models from recent 40k releases (granted very old models), I wouldnt be surprised if a few of them end up being written out of the rules going forward.

Every indication is that End Times/the post End Times world is the new face of Fantasy and that it was a decision made to salvage the franchise after years of declining sales, neglect, and mismqnagement.


And the saddest thing about that is that they very likely cannot grasp that the neglect and mismanagement was a causal factor in the declining sales. Still, I suppose throwing a big chunk of the IP in the bin so you can yell "Eermahgerd look it's all new and shiny buy buy buy!" is better than just studiously ignoring the product's existence until it withers away, like they did with Specialist Games.

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 thenoobbomb wrote:
 Moopy wrote:
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
From BoLS, the 4 'hidden' phrases from the GW website about this Endtimes releases

(there were 4 leading up the the Nagash book too)



Across the Sea of Claws they will come, aboard rotten ships on foetid tides.
(thats nurgle and mr spume no doubt)


Three there will be: three armies, three lords, three brothers. Three cities will fall, three heroes will die.
(the Glotkin and more)


Beneath the greatest city of men the Gardener sows the seeds of despair.
(Altdorf but who's the Gardener?)

The twin-tailed comet blazes in the sky. A sign of hope, or a portent of despair, the augurs cannot say.
(I vote hope as GW is not going to can the setting entirely even if it is shaken up)




Twin Tailed Comet probably = Skaven.

The Twin Tailed Comet is the sign of Sigmar, and the Empire..


The Empire is the sign of Skaven.

 
   
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 chiefbigredman wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:


Yes actually. For the most part Fantasy is selling pretty poorly, GW is actually losing money on it for the most part, consolidating it down allows them to keep the franchise going while dedicated less time, energy, and resources to it. Further, if you actually consider the combinations Ive proposed theyd actually be propping up weaker selling ranges with more successful ones by doing so (TK via VC, Wood Elves via Dark/High Elves, Empire via Brettonia, and Beastmen via Daemons/Warriors) and in effect remove a barrier of entry for a lot of people (if all you want is a couple select units of daemons and you already have a warriors of chaos army, itseasier to get someone to buy thr couple units than it is to get them to buyba full 2500 pts). Beyond that, at present, GW is averaging what, maybe one army book ler year for Fantasy? For the past few years in ge eral Fantasy has received significantly less support than 40k, to the point that some of those books havent been redone in 3 or so editions. GW stands to make a lot more money in Fantasys case pushing a smaller number of books that appeal to a wider audience every 3-5 years than it does a larger number of books that appeal to only a very small audience every 10-15.


I would disagree that they are losing money on Fantasy. If that were truly the case they would have dropped so many of the products already.
I agree with them promoting sales of the less popular armies with the combination books.
Its clever because people with Vampire counts will buy some tomb kings stuff and then the person may be more inclined to buy a full tomb kings army....a toe in the waters to test it them bam you got 2 armies haha


The numbers Ive seen indicate otherwise. Actually, saying Fantasy was unprofitable would be more accurate, as they werent really "losing" money on it, but either way, it is (or was) approaching the point that a decision have to be made, and it seems End Times was that decision. If what Ive heard from Harry, et al. is any indication then this is the intended way forward.

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 Moopy wrote:
 thenoobbomb wrote:
 Moopy wrote:
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
From BoLS, the 4 'hidden' phrases from the GW website about this Endtimes releases

(there were 4 leading up the the Nagash book too)



Across the Sea of Claws they will come, aboard rotten ships on foetid tides.
(thats nurgle and mr spume no doubt)


Three there will be: three armies, three lords, three brothers. Three cities will fall, three heroes will die.
(the Glotkin and more)


Beneath the greatest city of men the Gardener sows the seeds of despair.
(Altdorf but who's the Gardener?)

The twin-tailed comet blazes in the sky. A sign of hope, or a portent of despair, the augurs cannot say.
(I vote hope as GW is not going to can the setting entirely even if it is shaken up)




Twin Tailed Comet probably = Skaven.

The Twin Tailed Comet is the sign of Sigmar, and the Empire..


The Empire is the sign of Skaven.


What..
   
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It just occurred to me that the End Times storyline should lead to a new edition of WFRP.

It's been a while since WFRP was relevant and its current edition is probably the weakest ever, a change in the setting could prove to be the revitalising factor it needs.
   
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 His Master's Voice wrote:
It just occurred to me that the End Times storyline should lead to a new edition of WFRP.

It's been a while since WFRP was relevant and its current edition is probably the weakest ever, a change in the setting could prove to be the revitalising factor it needs.


It is interesting - I loved 2nd ed and it was very heavily tied in to the Storm of Chaos setting - although I preferred that storyline to the current one - even if the new one is well imagined and depicted.

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 His Master's Voice wrote:
It just occurred to me that the End Times storyline should lead to a new edition of WFRP.

It's been a while since WFRP was relevant and its current edition is probably the weakest ever, a change in the setting could prove to be the revitalising factor it needs.



see here : http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/610172.page


.. quite possible we'll see a new edition as/when the dust settles from the current release and/or a new edition comes out.


GW managers had another email confirming that both the end times time will be receiving a soft cover release "soon".

One would imagine/hope this'll be prior to Xmas......

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