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I've been working a lot on my 40K and am coming close to completion or, play-ability of my army there and am not really looking to find another game
but have found warmachine rather appealing. I don't really know of any gaming locations that play a lot of it but I really want to try and get involved with the game
have an army, paint some cool stuff try and find some games.

I know generally nothing about warmachine so I generally am going purely by aesthetics when picking the miniatures I want and I seem to find myself falling for
Cryx! Troll bloods looked kinda fun from the bat-reps I've seen but they also look kinda cheesy, I don't know the facts but from someone looking in at the game
they seem cheesy with how hard they are to kill and just how much damage they can dish!

Fun fact: I play for a fun game! I don't play a fun game for floorless victory!

With that said, the cryx models I really would like to have and paint I'll list em out before I ask questions.

Skarre, Queen of the Broken Coast - Out of all of their casters I think this gurl looks like such a badass!
Satyxis Blood Witches
Satyxis Blood Hag
Satyxis Raider Sea Witch
Satyxis Raiders
Satyxis Raider Captain
Warwitch Siren
Bile Thralls <-- these look really funny I don't know why I could just see them bounding around all the Satyxis
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As far as the favorite jack I think its probably the Erebus?

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Onto my questions!

1) 40K special characters are really pricey to include. I see that Skarre is Epic? I don't know what that means but does it limit what games I can use her in?
2) What is your 'average' friendly or competitive game of Warmachine?
3) Round-about, how useful are the miniatures I've listed in an actual game?
4) If I were to include those models in my 'group' or whatever, what would you suggest I could add to them to make my list/army/group feisty as it scales up?

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Also kind-of-curious about what combined arms is?




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Might have more questions xD as others are answered.

 Sasa0mg wrote:
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Skarre, Queen of the Broken Coast - Out of all of their casters I think this gurl looks like such a badass!
Satyxis Blood Witches
Satyxis Blood Hag
Satyxis Raider Sea Witch
Satyxis Raiders
Satyxis Raider Captain
Warwitch Siren
Bile Thralls <-- these look really funny I don't know why I could just see them bounding around all the Satyxis
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As far as the favorite jack I think its probably the Erebus?

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Onto my questions!

1) 40K special characters are really pricey to include. I see that Skarre is Epic? I don't know what that means but does it limit what games I can use her in?
2) What is your 'average' friendly or competitive game of Warmachine?
3) Round-about, how useful are the miniatures I've listed in an actual game?
4) If I were to include those models in my 'group' or whatever, what would you suggest I could add to them to make my list/army/group feisty as it scales up?

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Also kind-of-curious about what combined arms is?.

first up, welcome to the iron kingdoms. dont forget the complimentary goggles and deathjack plushie!

you have questions. So i will answer them.

(1) Epic. there is no limit to what games you can play her in. Skarre has 2 versions. "prime" Skarre, and "epic" Skarre. the difference really is fluff. the different versions of a character merely represent them at different points in time. how they change, grow, and adapt.
(2) 35-50pts, but folks are generally happy to play most points sizes depending on what you've got.
(3) Satyxis are rather nasty. they're glass cannons, but blindingly fast and jinky. their armour aint worth a damn though. so pretty solid.
(4) Something tough and hard hitting. you cant go wrong with Banez. Or Nyss hunters with cryx. really, there are few "bad" choices in warmachine.

Combined arms. Combined arms represents a mixture of tactical options. In 40k terms, its having close combat and shooting. In warmachine, its similar. Generally speaking, it means your army asks lots of "questions" of an opponents, whilst having a variety of "answers" it can give back to your opponent in turn. As opposed to being a one-trick pony!

They should really sell those xD would be kinda awesome.
Oki! Ty for the response xD I have a few more questions.

Mostly because I don't really know what to start at, I only looked at the models wise but now time to look into the rules! Glad to know the models I like aren't actually useless xD nor completely broken.

So people will actually wanna play xD.

If I take a themed list, and fulfill the tiers of those lists, could I still bring in something kinda random like the thralls? They remind me kinda of nurglings but with little vomit guns, oddly adorable xD in a weird kind of way


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Oh! Skarre has this thing, warjack points +6 what does that mean exactly?

Elaborating on 1)
That's a warcaster, they're not really the heroes of Warmahordes - more like the super heroes. They aren't expensive, in fact they give you points to spend on Warjacks. You are limited to the number of 'casters you can take, though (usually 1 in all but the largest games).
Also, welcome to a game where time doesn't stand still. Some of those Warcasters will die in the story. This may result in them learning new things or owing seriously nasty entities a debt.

Elaborating on 4)
Don't netlist!
People will say a lot of things, but first you need practice and understanding why they say this or that. You may also find that some of the netlists are geared towards what goes on in American tournaments. Also, you might find that when they say "this is a bad bad model" what they mean is "it's a good model, sometimes hilarious, but I find that when I play there's better choices for the same role".
I think you need to think a little about your Warjack(s). I haven't a clue what the Erebus is, so I can't say anything about that one, but you'll want something that works well with your caster. If you can stomach the models (I wouldn't), Deathrippers are usually good with Cryx due to Arc Nodes (allows your caster to cast spells through the Warjack for longer range)
http://battlecollege.wikispaces.com/mkiiDeathripper

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Themes)
Each theme list has a strict set of models you can take. If you take from elsewhere, you'll break tier 1 and that means you break all tiers (you must have tier 1 and tier 2 fulfilled to be allowed to get the bonus from tier 3).

Skarre)
You get to attach Warjacks to her. 6 points of their combined cost are discounted.


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Here, this is a REALLY good podcast to listen to when you're new to Warmahordes:

http://www.chain-attack.com/2014/02/episode-138-part-1-of-4-new-player-series/

I made a little list here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/603154.page#6985819

I had a look through some resources and its the initial thing that I came up with, that kind of makes sense. The node thing deathjack has seemed to make sense to use. >.< I did my best to include things I liked the models of.

Our gaming group has just got into Warmahordes, and everyone has picked the models they liked look of first.

Have you played an intro game yet? You will find that there is very little that you can take which will *seriously* hamper your game, but some things work better with others. From what I've seen on what you like, not too bad games wise.

Our group loves new players and learning about their tactics as they are new themselves!

Funny I just posted the same type of thread awhile ago! Seems like a lot of transfering from 40k to warmachine latley

I'm not really transferring from, I would just like to play both, I see 40K, fantasy, infinity and warmachines to be excitingly different from one another, enough to draw my interest and good models always adds to that interest so I'm all happy to play xD

I haven't played any intro games or anything I've only watched people play on youtube >.< I live in the eastbourne area in the UK, I don't know of any actual hobby shops around there that plays wargames that aren't a GW.

You *can* really ruin your chances at lower point costs or by loading up on dudes who specialize too similarly. Haven't got Armour Piercing or stuff that gets large boosts against armour? Well, that Stormwall your friend brought is going to cause some serious problems for you. Didn't bring stuff that can combat stealthed units that're faster than you (no true sight or sufficient blasts or stealth of your own)? Well, you'll hate Mage Hunter Strike Forces.
There's better examples, I just haven't played enough armies or battles to be able to provide better examples of "skews"

Seriously, play a few Battle Box games! Don't expect fair games, though, since battle boxes vary in points and are also very skewed in some cases. When you've got some of the rules - grab a few friends and do a Journeyman campaign! http://privateerpress.com/files/Journeyman%20League%20Rules.pdf

 coolbrobunny wrote:
Funny I just posted the same type of thread awhile ago! Seems like a lot of transfering from 40k to warmachine latley

GW just released Warhammer 40k edition 5.2 - nothing important changed and a lot of unwanted features were introduced. Makes sense people who are in it for the game are making the switch. Or at least broadening their horizons.

Personally, as someone just getting into it, I'm leaning more toward troll bloods because I like there models or Khador because I like there background and play style. Either way I want to paint a yellow theme

I've seen a lot of people playing troll bloods, I don't like how they can basically run a force of everyone being in the 20's of armor xD Among other things, I've seen them do ridiculous stuff it kind of puts me off them xD

Man, Trolls are endangered in my meta...

 Sasa0mg wrote:
I'm not really transferring from, I would just like to play both, I see 40K, fantasy, infinity and warmachines to be excitingly different from one another, enough to draw my interest and good models always adds to that interest so I'm all happy to play xD

I haven't played any intro games or anything I've only watched people play on youtube >.< I live in the eastbourne area in the UK, I don't know of any actual hobby shops around there that plays wargames that aren't a GW.

Have you watched wargamer girl on youtube? she has the best vids for starting players to watch. Informative and show everything. She even admits mistakes made during the game.

 Sasa0mg wrote:
I've seen a lot of people playing troll bloods, I don't like how they can basically run a force of everyone being in the 20's of armor xD Among other things, I've seen them do ridiculous stuff it kind of puts me off them xD

All the factions have ridiculous stuff.

You should be told early on that Cryx is often considered one of those factions that ruins the games for other people. You will be teased and maybe harassed about it. If you are going to play Cryx then just accept this and revel in the tears of other players.

That said, ALL the factions have outrageous stuff. If anything, I think Trollbloods might be one of the tamer factions. My limited understanding is they have only a few really competitive builds whereas most factions have multiple. Of course, any faction can seem overwhelmingly powerful when you are not very familiar with it and/or aren't prepared. The game is pretty well balanced for the most part so if they have something good, there is a price paid for it.

Bullockist wrote:

 Sasa0mg wrote:
I'm not really transferring from, I would just like to play both, I see 40K, fantasy, infinity and warmachines to be excitingly different from one another, enough to draw my interest and good models always adds to that interest so I'm all happy to play xD

I haven't played any intro games or anything I've only watched people play on youtube >.< I live in the eastbourne area in the UK, I don't know of any actual hobby shops around there that plays wargames that aren't a GW.

Have you watched wargamer girl on youtube? she has the best vids for starting players to watch. Informative and show everything. She even admits mistakes made during the game.

I actually haven't looked at her vids, I might have to. All I know is she uses Khador a lot, (I like their characters but not their other stuff) so I haven't been goaded to go look.

Mordekiem wrote:

 Sasa0mg wrote:
I've seen a lot of people playing troll bloods, I don't like how they can basically run a force of everyone being in the 20's of armor xD Among other things, I've seen them do ridiculous stuff it kind of puts me off them xD

All the factions have ridiculous stuff.

You should be told early on that Cryx is often considered one of those factions that ruins the games for other people. You will be teased and maybe harassed about it. If you are going to play Cryx then just accept this and revel in the tears of other players.

That said, ALL the factions have outrageous stuff. If anything, I think Trollbloods might be one of the tamer factions. My limited understanding is they have only a few really competitive builds whereas most factions have multiple. Of course, any faction can seem overwhelmingly powerful when you are not very familiar with it and/or aren't prepared. The game is pretty well balanced for the most part so if they have something good, there is a price paid for it.

I thought that only happened if you spam bile thralls and use all the resurrecting stuffs with shield wall and things? It shouldn't be much the case with my fav selection of models? D:
How do they go about ruining the game though, I'm curious what brings about that kind of out look (would be good to know before I commit)

Generally, Cryx do have some very powerful warcasters, especially in the lower points games.
They can get some very cheap models, and have powerful synergies which work well together.

We have two players in our group, and they still lose regularly, but do have about a 50/50 win/loss ratio.

Some players don't like playing against them though

 Sasa0mg wrote:

Mordekiem wrote:

 Sasa0mg wrote:
I've seen a lot of people playing troll bloods, I don't like how they can basically run a force of everyone being in the 20's of armor xD Among other things, I've seen them do ridiculous stuff it kind of puts me off them xD

All the factions have ridiculous stuff.

You should be told early on that Cryx is often considered one of those factions that ruins the games for other people. You will be teased and maybe harassed about it. If you are going to play Cryx then just accept this and revel in the tears of other players.

That said, ALL the factions have outrageous stuff. If anything, I think Trollbloods might be one of the tamer factions. My limited understanding is they have only a few really competitive builds whereas most factions have multiple. Of course, any faction can seem overwhelmingly powerful when you are not very familiar with it and/or aren't prepared. The game is pretty well balanced for the most part so if they have something good, there is a price paid for it.

I thought that only happened if you spam bile thralls and use all the resurrecting stuffs with shield wall and things? It shouldn't be much the case with my fav selection of models? D:
How do they go about ruining the game though, I'm curious what brings about that kind of out look (would be good to know before I commit)

Simply stating that you are a Cryx player will get people bugging you. But then again, so does saying you are a Cygnar, Menoth, Khador, Retribution, Legion, Circle, Troll, Skorne player.

Satyxis of both types are pretty strong and can severely hamper certain builds. Bile thralls are rightly feared, but are something that is pretty easy to plan and defend against. Not sure what Shield wall stuff you are referring to. Maybe banes? Cryx really has quite a few good choices of units, part of why it is played very infantry heavy.

I think the reason for a lot of Cryx-hate is the debuffs. People get their buffs on and shieldwall, etc and then you roll up and ignore half of it. Frankly, that is how a lot of the game is played. Cryx just seems to spend more time getting around things than brute forcing thru it. Also there are a few casters which are quite powerful. eGaspy has been nerfed 3(?) times and is still considered one of the best casters in the game. They also seem to have lots of stealth, incorporeal, etc. Also, Cryx plays differently so is harder for new players to understand and get a grasp on so they tend to lose to them early on. These early memories resurface anytime you see Cryx lining up against you even though now you have the knowledge and units to deal with them.

Again, all the factions can do crazy stuff. But Cryx and Legion tend to get the most flack as they are often the hardest for people to learn how they work and how to fight against them. IMO, your best bet is to just play what you like and ignore the haters. My experience is that if people lose they want to blame something. The easiest thing to blame is your army instead of their lack of skills and knowledge of the game. Or dice, but that is a whole different issue. You shouldn't get into this game worrying about aggravating whiners. You should play what you like and work on getting better. You also shouldn't dictate what others should or should not play.

Yeah I suppose. I think the bane thralls are kinda awesome looking and do wanna use them, even if they do go pop pretty easy.

I did just add up a new list that I linked to earlier. If you have some insight to my first lists I'd love to hear it >w<

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/603154.page#6991091

 Sasa0mg wrote:
Yeah I suppose. I think the bane thralls are kinda awesome looking and do wanna use them, even if they do go pop pretty easy.

I did just add up a new list that I linked to earlier. If you have some insight to my first lists I'd love to hear it >w<

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/603154.page#6991091

Bane Thralls aren't really that squishy for infantry. They are 12/15, which is pretty decent on a 5/8 unit, and they have stealth which means that they aren't prone to being shot up. Their UA also gives them tough and the ability to stand up for free, and Bane Lord Tartarus makes more Banes when he kills something.

RegalPhantom wrote:

 Sasa0mg wrote:
Yeah I suppose. I think the bane thralls are kinda awesome looking and do wanna use them, even if they do go pop pretty easy.

I did just add up a new list that I linked to earlier. If you have some insight to my first lists I'd love to hear it >w<

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/603154.page#6991091

Bane Thralls aren't really that squishy for infantry. They are 12/15, which is pretty decent on a 5/8 unit, and they have stealth which means that they aren't prone to being shot up. Their UA also gives them tough and the ability to stand up for free, and Bane Lord Tartarus makes more Banes when he kills something.

Maybe not squishy was the word I was needing xD they attract a lot of fire because people don't want them to purge. And as a result have a tendency not to survive to do much.

 Sasa0mg wrote:

RegalPhantom wrote:

 Sasa0mg wrote:
Yeah I suppose. I think the bane thralls are kinda awesome looking and do wanna use them, even if they do go pop pretty easy.

I did just add up a new list that I linked to earlier. If you have some insight to my first lists I'd love to hear it >w<

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/603154.page#6991091

Bane Thralls aren't really that squishy for infantry. They are 12/15, which is pretty decent on a 5/8 unit, and they have stealth which means that they aren't prone to being shot up. Their UA also gives them tough and the ability to stand up for free, and Bane Lord Tartarus makes more Banes when he kills something.

Maybe not squishy was the word I was needing xD they attract a lot of fire because people don't want them to purge. And as a result have a tendency not to survive to do much.

Bile! Those're bile thralls. Bane thralls are something quite different, and also in faction. Yeah, bile thralls are really damn squishy.

Oh! Bile thralls is what I meant then xD they are the little round ones with the pukey guns?
They look oddly adorable xD

 Sasa0mg wrote:
Oh! Bile thralls is what I meant then xD they are the little round ones with the pukey guns?
They look oddly adorable xD

Yup, Bile Thralls go boom and blow lots of stuff up, but tend to die quickly and easily. But if you can deliver one or the badguys can't quite kill them all then SPLAT! Great against melee focused armies. Ranged armies tend to shoot them off the board.

Bane Thralls are probably the Cryx equivalent of heavy infantry. Very popular as they make great armor crackers.

Bane Knights are also quite popular since they have reach, ghostly and weapon master also.

I quite like the idea, especially with skarre of warcaster assassination.

Using feedback from the raiders to try and cause it as well along with skarre herself.

I'm curious though, the pirate guys with the hooks and stuff. I don't quite get how they work. It says a successful attack lets them move a target toward them. But if their in base to base how does that do anything?

Like.. if you pulled somethiing from blocking a charge to an enemy warcaster, you could pull it out of the way entirely?

 Sasa0mg wrote:
I quite like the idea, especially with skarre of warcaster assassination.

Using feedback from the raiders to try and cause it as well along with skarre herself.

I'm curious though, the pirate guys with the hooks and stuff. I don't quite get how they work. It says a successful attack lets them move a target toward them. But if their in base to base how does that do anything?

Like.. if you pulled somethiing from blocking a charge to an enemy warcaster, you could pull it out of the way entirely?

I assume the Pirate Guys are the the Black Ogrun Boarding Party, although as a note the Reaper Helljack and Aikos (the Junior Warcaster from Vengeance) both also have drag.

On the topic of how Drag works, I'm not 100% sure what you are asking. If you are asking how drag works if the enemy models are in Base-to-Base contact, there isn't really anything special there. Unless the enemy model has an ability which prevents it from being pushed or otherwise moved out of turn, or is on a larger base size, you are able to drag the enemy model as normal. Note that 'directly' means the shortest straight-line distance possible, so you can't drag a model behind or to the side of you.

As an additional note on Drag, there is a ruling that in this context, 'Any Distance' means 'Any distance necessary', not 'any distance you choose'. So if you damage an eligible model with a weapon with drag, you can choose to either pull them directly towards you the full distance until they are in contact with your base, or not pull them at all.

If you are asking about how drag works if the unit you control is attacking an enemy model that is in base to base contact with it (ie, a Black Ogrun is in base to base contact with a Sword Knight), the same ruling applies. You move the model the shortest distance possible so that they are in base to base contact with you. In this case, as the model already in base to base, the push distance is zero.

However, as an additional note, all in-faction weapons with drag that have been released so far (to my knowledge) are ranged weapons, meaning that you typically won't be able to hit a model with a drag attack while in melee with it. That's not to say it COULDN'T happen in the future, but in the event that a model is somehow able to make a drag attack while in melee range, the above still applies (ie, you aren't allowed to drag a model to the back of your base).

Well I was just curious, because it seems like a possible means to create assassination attempts on an enemy warcaster using these guys to literally pull models that block line of sight and charges out of the way to let Skarre in.
Now I'm curous though, can anything pull and drag a warjack?

I also need to look at the ranges of stuff, I have no idea what or where they are at the moment xD

 Sasa0mg wrote:
Well I was just curious, because it seems like a possible means to create assassination attempts on an enemy warcaster using these guys to literally pull models that block line of sight and charges out of the way to let Skarre in.
Now I'm curous though, can anything pull and drag a warjack?

I also need to look at the ranges of stuff, I have no idea what or where they are at the moment xD

Yes, you can use drag to move models out of position to open up assassination windows.

Base size is all that drag cares about, as long as your base size is equal to or larger than the one that you are dragging, you are good to go (there are exceptions, such as models which can't be pushed/moved). To move a light warjack (medium base) you need a medium base or larger model. To move a heavy warjack (large base), you need large or giant based model.

In faction the Reaper Warjack (a variant of the Slayer chassis) has drag on its ranged weapon, and is on a large base itself (so it can drag other heavies). The only huge base model I know of with Drag is The Convergence of Cyriss's Prime Axiom colossal.