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So im sure this has come up before and I would hate to be accused of Necro-Threading however a buddy of mine just brought this to my attention and it is really bugging me.

Can army take ANY Common magic Item or are you restricted to whats in your Army Book?

For example since it doesnt say my Skaven "May take any item from the BRB" am I stuck with only the items in my book?

And if so there are A LOT of "illegal" Skaven lists running around.

Please site your sources!

you can access all the magic items from the BRB with all books, bar the stunties
edit: I'm pretty sure it's in the FAQs for the old books

Dooley wrote:

Can army take ANY Common magic Item or are you restricted to whats in your Army Book?

They're called common magic items for a reason.

Um... why would there be magic items in the Rulebook if armies were restricted to taking only their unique magic items?

jouso wrote:

Dooley wrote:

Can an army take ANY Common magic Item or are you restricted to whats in your Army Book?

They're called common magic items for a reason.

Its called "site your sources for a reason". The brb says that magic items that can be taken by a specific army are listed in their specific books. The brb simply lists a few Items that armies may take if they have access to them. Show me in the rules that a certain army may take ANY of these items if their army book doesnt say "has access to the brb magic items list"

Nowhere in the FAQ or BRB or Skaven book says that they may take items from the BRB. Which means no Talisman of preservation, no earthing rods, no razor standard etc

The opening paragraph on pg 500 under Selecting Magic Items gives permission to use them. "Here we shall examine the magic items commonly used by all races." That tells you unless their army book says not to use them you can.

Also, under Unique, "... I mean to say they are common to all armies in the Warhammer world..."

So unless the Skaven book says you may not use these items, you may.

Many other Army Books specifically state that an army "may use items in the BRB". The Skaven book does not. Is this just a case of old army book?

The reason I ask is I have a buddy who has brought up a good point about this and I cant find anything definitive to argue against it!

It is a previous edition book. I would have to dig out my 7th BRB where they probably defined "common magic items" differently than now.

You can be sure that shaven can absolutely 100% use the items listed in the BRB.

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You can be sure that shaven can absolutely 100% use the items listed in the BRB.

I already did.

The skaven book lists a few common items.
I understand what you are getting at however it does not say any army has access to these items. Im pretty sure this is just an EXTREME RAW issue and will continue to rock my Razor Standards and Talismans of Perseverance!

You do not need permission from the army book to access the items from the BRB as the BRB gives that permission. Since you are given permission from the BRB, the Skaven book would have to specifically disallow it, and it doesn't.

Unfortunately I can't seem to find either of my 7th rulebooks to see if it has the context you seek. I wil keep looking, but I can't understand how I have missed that monstrous thing.

*edit* I found a copy and it has similar wording to the current BRB:

"... which is to say they are common to all armies in the Warhammer world..." -pg 122 7th edition Warhammer Fantasy BRB. "Common to all" is explicit in saying all of the armies have access to them.

I only know of Dorfs and Doc can't. DoC can use some.

If you want to get super religious, the BRB says it will tell you what they can take and "any restrictions on the magic items he can take."

The Skaven say they can take XXX points from "Magic Items." There is "Skaven Magic Items" section in the back of their book. And the BRB has, conveniently enough, a huge section called "Magic Items" wherein all these rules and individual categories are listed that we're quoting from.

And also on page 172 under the Magic Items section
of the mini rulebook it has similar sentences that Davall quoted....

...Here we shall examine the magic items that are commonly used by all races. Where a model has the option of choosing one or more magic items, it will be clearly stated in his army list entry, as will any restrictions on the magic items he can take.

Again the problem stems from the BRB saying it will list what magic items.an army may take. It then lists "common magic items" inn the shaven book. The argument was made that since it does not say "has access to common magic items" anywhere in the army book that shaven are limited to only the common magic items listed in their book.

Each model in Skaven says it can take XXX points of "Magic Items."

It doesn't say COMMON magic items. It doesn't say SKAVEN magic items. It says Magic Items. And the section in the BRB that defines anything and everything to do with this stuff has the convenient title of: Magic Items.

A Warlock Engineer "may choose items from the Magic Items...value of 50 points.

There is no rule anywhere in the game that the Magic Items section of any army truncates the BRB Magic Item section. Only the price of items in the army book take precedence over BRB items.

You'll even notice that Dwarfs aren't specifically restricted from BRB Magic Items. The models simply don't have access to anything called, "Magic Items." They can only choose Heirlooms and Runes. Skaven, however, can choose Magic Items. And the BRB has...Magic Items. Word-for-word.

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Dooley wrote:
Again the problem stems from the BRB saying it will list what magic items.an army may take. It then lists "common magic items" inn the shaven book. The argument was made that since it does not say "has access to common magic items" anywhere in the army book that shaven are limited to only the common magic items listed in their book.

The argument was made by whom? There is probably not a single group or tournament anywhere in the world that plays Skaven as though they CANNOT use magic items from the BRB.

Your buddy is trying to be a d-bag. Plain and simple.