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Awesome work. My group are currently using your work in conjunction with Battle Companies for the most part. The only slight criticism I would have is that some characters can obtain very high defenses, which is at somewhat at odds with the bloody nature of Westeros.
   
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I'm chuffed to hear you guys are using my work, thank you for that. I agree about characters being able to attain high Defence ratings, perhaps I could make them D3 and not D4 standard as is the case for the base D of LOTR characters, do you reckon that would work maybe?
   
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Are you on the One Ring forum? Someone on that forum is working on a Game of Thrones mod too.




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A couple criticisms/suggestions...

The Vale should be Firm Allies (Robert's Rebellion era/ What If scenarios) or Allies of Convenience (War of the Five Kings) with The North and The Riverlands.
The Vale, under Jon Arryn sided with Robert Baratheon (Stormlands) and Ned Stark (the North) during Robert's rebellion. For the following 17 years they maintained strong relations with both Kingdoms, with Lysa Tully of the Riverlands marrying Jon Arryn and Jon Arryn serving as Hand of the King. Were it not for Jon Arryn's death and Lysa Tully taking over the Vale and becoming paranoid and insular under her leadership, then the Vale would probably have sided with The North and The Riverlands in TWOT5K.

And with Littlefinger and Sansa Stark now in de facto control of The Vale (in the books and the show), there is the future potential for renewed relations with The North and The RIverlands.

The Iron Islands should be Won't Ally with the Riverlands and the Westerlands, and Bitter Foes with The Reach.
The Iron Islands haven't attacked the Riverlands in thousands of years (when they conquered the Riverlands, which at the time was ruled by a different House to House Tully, and Harren the Black built Harrenhal).

The Iron Islanders raided The Reach so frequently that the Shield Islands were fortified as a first line of defense against them. For a time, under Robert's rule the raids ended as the Iron Islands were subject to the rule of the Iron Throne and were subdued by force when the Greyjoy Rebellion failed, but in TWOT5K the raids and hostilities resumed again.

And they burned Lannisport during Balon Greyjoy's rebellion. The Lannisters certainly don't have the same enmity for the Iron Islands that the Tyrells do, but they certainly do not have a relationship positive enough that they would Ally with them.

Spoiler:
If/when you add Meereen & the Targaryen's (Daenerys' faction) then I'd say that they'd be FA or AOC with the Iron Islands, as Euron Greyjoy is sending his brother Victarion and the Iron Fleet to establish a formal alliance as of A Dance with Dragons.






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All Northern units within 6” of Robb Stark treat him like a banner. Northern models within 3” also receive a +1 bonus to their fight value, while in range. Northern units within 12” of Robb receive a +2 bonus to their Courage while in range rather than the usual +1.


That might get confusing, having 3 different radii to keep track of (banner, Fight bonus and Courage). I'd suggest merging the banner & Fight bonus into one radius, so its either 3" for both, or 6" range for both.

2 different radii (3" and 12", or 6" and 12") would be easier to keep track of than 3 (3, 6 and 12).

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Wolf Bond: If Robb Stark is taken, Grey Wind must also be taken.


If the two must always be taken as a pair, then I suggest merging the points cost into one lump sum as for all LOTR models that must be taken in pairs (Murin & Drar, Elladan & Elrohir, Dwarf Vault Warden Teams) which would be 220 pts for both Robb and Grey Wind sans upgrades for Robb.

Having two separate points costs confuses the matter and implies that they can be taken separate.

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I was wondering why the war elephants have bolt thrower options? I don't remember it in the books although I might have missed it. Is it for balance purposes?
   
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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Are you on the One Ring forum? Someone on that forum is working on a Game of Thrones mod too.




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A couple criticisms/suggestions...

The Vale should be Firm Allies (Robert's Rebellion era/ What If scenarios) or Allies of Convenience (War of the Five Kings) with The North and The Riverlands.
The Vale, under Jon Arryn sided with Robert Baratheon (Stormlands) and Ned Stark (the North) during Robert's rebellion. For the following 17 years they maintained strong relations with both Kingdoms, with Lysa Tully of the Riverlands marrying Jon Arryn and Jon Arryn serving as Hand of the King. Were it not for Jon Arryn's death and Lysa Tully taking over the Vale and becoming paranoid and insular under her leadership, then the Vale would probably have sided with The North and The Riverlands in TWOT5K.

And with Littlefinger and Sansa Stark now in de facto control of The Vale (in the books and the show), there is the future potential for renewed relations with The North and The RIverlands.

The Iron Islands should be Won't Ally with the Riverlands and the Westerlands, and Bitter Foes with The Reach.
The Iron Islands haven't attacked the Riverlands in thousands of years (when they conquered the Riverlands, which at the time was ruled by a different House to House Tully, and Harren the Black built Harrenhal).

The Iron Islanders raided The Reach so frequently that the Shield Islands were fortified as a first line of defense against them. For a time, under Robert's rule the raids ended as the Iron Islands were subject to the rule of the Iron Throne and were subdued by force when the Greyjoy Rebellion failed, but in TWOT5K the raids and hostilities resumed again.

And they burned Lannisport during Balon Greyjoy's rebellion. The Lannisters certainly don't have the same enmity for the Iron Islands that the Tyrells do, but they certainly do not have a relationship positive enough that they would Ally with them.

Spoiler:
If/when you add Meereen & the Targaryen's (Daenerys' faction) then I'd say that they'd be FA or AOC with the Iron Islands, as Euron Greyjoy is sending his brother Victarion and the Iron Fleet to establish a formal alliance as of A Dance with Dragons.






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All Northern units within 6” of Robb Stark treat him like a banner. Northern models within 3” also receive a +1 bonus to their fight value, while in range. Northern units within 12” of Robb receive a +2 bonus to their Courage while in range rather than the usual +1.


That might get confusing, having 3 different radii to keep track of (banner, Fight bonus and Courage). I'd suggest merging the banner & Fight bonus into one radius, so its either 3" for both, or 6" range for both.

2 different radii (3" and 12", or 6" and 12") would be easier to keep track of than 3 (3, 6 and 12).

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Wolf Bond: If Robb Stark is taken, Grey Wind must also be taken.


If the two must always be taken as a pair, then I suggest merging the points cost into one lump sum as for all LOTR models that must be taken in pairs (Murin & Drar, Elladan & Elrohir, Dwarf Vault Warden Teams) which would be 220 pts for both Robb and Grey Wind sans upgrades for Robb.

Having two separate points costs confuses the matter and implies that they can be taken separate.



I see what you mean with the Vale. I was simply thinking about the Vale under Lysa, but now Baelish is in control things could go anyway, especially considering he's the Lord of Harrenhal. I'll make that change. As for the Riverlands and the Reach you're right, I guess they only hold the Riverlands in contempt rather than outright hate them. But as for the Westerlands, the Lannisters were considering allying with Balon during TWOTFK, so I don't think they'd have a problem. But I think you're right in that it should be WA instead, as I don't reckon the ironmen would ally with them even if offered.

Spoiler:
As for Daenerys, I'll write her and her lot in if she ever gets to Westeros. The way she was found at the end of Dance, things could go either way. I've been thinking about doing Essos, but I've got other projects I'm working on as well, so I'm really trying to keep this in Westeros. And the other Targs are covered by the Golden Company.


I see what you mean with Robb, I'll merge them at 3". I wasn't aware of the way partnerships were done in LOTR SBG, so thank you for enlightening me on that (I've only ever used models from the main small set of rules, so I wasn't sure how to do the pair :S)



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Zond wrote:
I was wondering why the war elephants have bolt thrower options? I don't remember it in the books although I might have missed it. Is it for balance purposes?


Truth be told, although it doesn't say whether they do or don't as of yet in the books, I decided to add it, simply as a fun option. Of course if in the next book it's established they don't (which is likely) then I'll remove them from the rules.

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I think Oberyn and his poison needs changed. If you wound multiple times, nothing could happen, nothing could happen and half move. Maybe its should just work like the poison rule?
   
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No Theon and Asha (Yara) Greyjoy?

Theon might be a fun one - you could do two versions, before Ramsay...and after Ramsay. (Reek).
   
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I suppose Theon could be a rather ineffectual Ironborn commander, or a mistrusted Northern commander. I don't think Reek should have stats as I doubt he'd be able to lead anyone.
   
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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
No Theon and Asha (Yara) Greyjoy?

Theon might be a fun one - you could do two versions, before Ramsay...and after Ramsay. (Reek).


I actually was going to do them but i realised that they could be represented by iron born captains/ lords. I just couldn't think of any defining rules for them to be honest. As for a Reek, I only have really done characters which are battle capable, hence no Goldenhand .etc.


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Zond wrote:
I think Oberyn and his poison needs changed. If you wound multiple times, nothing could happen, nothing could happen and half move. Maybe its should just work like the poison rule?


I really wanted to reflect the potency of Oberyn's poisons, and felt that the standard Poisoned weapon rule was not enough, hence I put in the re-rolling of 1's and 2's to wound. On top of that I put the chart. Once wounded by Oberyn its only a matter of time before a character succumbs to the poison.

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 Banzaimash wrote:
 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
No Theon and Asha (Yara) Greyjoy?

Theon might be a fun one - you could do two versions, before Ramsay...and after Ramsay. (Reek).


I actually was going to do them but i realised that they could be represented by iron born captains/ lords. I just couldn't think of any defining rules for them to be honest. As for a Reek, I only have really done characters which are battle capable, hence no Goldenhand .etc.


Reek would be a sort of sidekick for Ramsay Bolton. Similar to Thrain the Broken, Denethor or Gollum. Low stats, a special rule to reflect his weak will, and a special rule that benefits Ramsay or acts as a debuff for enemy models.

e.g.

If Ramsay Bolton is present in the force, Reek may be purchased for +30pts.

Points: 30pts
Move: 5" (hes a cripple).
F1. S2. D3. A1. W1. C2. Might: 0 Will:0 Fate:1

Wargear: unarmed

Options:

Horse. (+5pts)
sword (handweapon). (+1pt)
heavy armour +2. (+2)


Special Rules:

Ramsay Bolton, not Ramsay Snow, never Snow!
(Bodyguard: Ramsay Bolton). Reek's fear of Ramsay is so great, that death no longer holds any fear for him . When Ramsay is alive and present on the field, Reek never has to test for Courage.

My name is Reek, it rhymes with weak.

Ramsay often sends Reek to carry out errands and deliver messages. Reek may be deployed in the opposing player's deployment zone, or in the controlling player's deployment zone as normal. Enemy models may charge Reek as normal, but cannot roll to wound Reek (they are merely restraining him). When Reek wins a combat, the controlling player may elect to not roll to wound. If the controlling player does elect to strike, then enemy models are no longer restricted and may wound Reek as normal.

(Similar to Grima Wormtongue's special rule).

Enemy Heroes within 3" of Reek must roll a D6 for each point of Might or Will that they use. On a 5+, the point is wasted and nothing happens.

Terror
Such is the foul stench and horrifically maimed appearance of Reek, that everyone is loathe to approach him. Reek causes Terror.

I trained him, he was a slow learner, but he learned.
Ramsay is proud of his handiwork, and enjoys displaying Reek as a warning to all those who dare displease him. Reek counts as a banner with a 3" range for Ramsay only, and for every point of Might that Ramsay uses roll a D6. On a roll of 6, the Might point is free and does not deplete Ramsay's store.



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As for Theon Greyjoy...he might work well as a cheap captain with extra shooting abilities.

In a Northern army...

Points: 50
Move: 6"
Independent Hero (cannot lead Warbands)
F4/3+. S4. D4. A2. W2. C4. Might:2. Will:1. Fate:1.

Wargear: Sword, longbow (S3, 24" range).

Options:
Armour: +5pts
Heavy Armour: +10pts.
Horse: +10pts.
Armoured Horse: +15pts.

Special Rules:

I am your brother, now and always.
Bodyguard: Robb Stark. Having been raised alongside Robb at Winterfell since the age of 10, Theon has become as close as a brother to Robb. When Robb Stark is alive and on the field, Theon passes all courage tests he is required to take.

The Greyjoys...Famous for their skills at archery, navigation and lovemaking
Theon is a skilled archer. Theon may shoot twice in the shooting phase, or he may shoot once automatically passing all In The Way tests.



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For the Ironborn version of Theon...

A normal hero (can lead Warbands).

Special Rules:

Replace: I am your brother, now and always.

with

We pay the Iron Price.
Having spent years separated from his family and raised as the ward of their enemy, Eddard Stark, the Ironborn look down on Theon and despise him. No Ironborn may benefit from Theon's Standfast. Desperate to obtain his family's approval and to prove his worth as an Ironborn, Theon must always charge an enemy Hero if he is able to do so.

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Those rules are brilliant Edithae, I might just put them in my next updated version if you don't mind.
   
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Renly never struck me as a particularly good fighter, but in this he's almost as good as Stanis. At fight 5 he's comparable to Eomer and Faramir from Lotr and has the same Fight as Gregor Clegane?

Maybe he's really awesome in the books, but he seems like more of a leader than a warrior

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 Banzaimash wrote:
Those rules are brilliant Edithae, I might just put them in my next updated version if you don't mind.


Not at all. Feel free to edit and improve upon them, I only spent 30 min or so on it (about as long as it took me to write it all).
   
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Thanks man. Now I've done all factions I'm looking to expand them beyond the 2-4 starting characters they each have, and your contribution is really helpful towards that.



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 EmilCrane wrote:
Renly never struck me as a particularly good fighter, but in this he's almost as good as Stanis. At fight 5 he's comparable to Eomer and Faramir from Lotr and has the same Fight as Gregor Clegane?

Maybe he's really awesome in the books, but he seems like more of a leader than a warrior


I made Fight 5 as the standard fight value for all lords, so I wouldn't compare it too closely to LOTR. As far as I'm concerned with Stannis and Renly, both were trained by the same Master of Arms, and while Stannis is the better general, he is noted to command from the rear, such as at the Blackwater, so I don't think he'd be a particularly exceptional fighter above other well trained lords, or Renly for that matter. As for Gregor, I see what you mean though, but I think that should be rectified more by me increasing his Fight. He was the first character I wrote, indeed he was the reason I started this whole thing, simply because I was bored and felt like writing rules for the Mountain, being the interesting mix of half troll half man that he is in a stats sense, and so I was writing his fight relative to LOTR characters, where Fight 5 is as you said, the same as skilled warriors such as Eomer or Faramir.

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This is great work indeed!! It's quite impressive.

May I ask if there is any form that is used to create profiles and the cost of them, for profiles that don't exist in the lotr rulebook? If for example you would like to raise by one the F and D points of an Uruk-Hai warrior of 9 points, how much would he cost?

   
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That was awesome, and with the availabilty of AGoT models and some conversions from other companies as well, this was actually a lot of fun to try out, eventually I may post pics/batreps of this, ...if you are ok with it. thanks for the work!
   
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Sorry for the lengthy absence- to answer your question corgan I figured that any one basic characteristic point was worth on actual point for non-heroes at least, with things like Will, Fate and Might being worth approximately five each. Of course for heroes I had to make a judgement as to an extent on the costing but they were still "built up" from lower profile leaders such as lords, which were pretty much copy pasted from the Kings of Men profile in LOTR SBG.

As for pics and batreps, that's fine by me thekingofkings- it would be cool to see it being played (I only have a box of Fireforge Men-at-arms I'm using for Westeros in Flames atm and haven't had the mean to expand).
   
 
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