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2014/08/15 19:35:57
Subject: New Grey Knights Codex
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Road-Raging Blood Angel Biker
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Is the new codex a nerf or a buff? If it is a buff it might solidify my idea to start them after a year of hesitating.
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2014/08/15 19:54:56
Subject: Re:New Grey Knights Codex
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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not sure on the full details yet. that said what we do know the answer is "it depends"
the new codex is going to be Grey Knights ONLY, so in that regard, they lose out on the cheap inqusition options.
they seem to be tweeking their points down as well from what we can see, but over all... we really can't tell yet. my guess is, like every other codex since 6th it's going to be a sidegrade of the old one.
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2014/08/15 19:58:39
Subject: New Grey Knights Codex
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Lieutenant General
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Since the codex isn't out until next week, you may want to check the rumors thread in the N&R forum.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
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2014/08/15 20:13:33
Subject: New Grey Knights Codex
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Road-Raging Blood Angel Biker
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Link please
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2014/08/15 20:19:19
Subject: New Grey Knights Codex
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Stealthy Dark Angels Scout with Shotgun
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I feel that, unless the Codex super powers up all GK units, it will be considered a nerf/fail. GK players are losing half of the codex they are used to. Sure, we all saw it coming, but it still stings.
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2014/08/16 02:41:28
Subject: New Grey Knights Codex
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Tough-as-Nails Ork Boy
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Losing half a codex, and given how the first two 7th edition codexes weren't about power, but were more lateral moves for both armies, I can't imagine GK becoming much better, just more consistent with 7th edition and the new codex format. That being said, they weren't bad, and the new psychic phase only helped them.
I always thought they just suffer from "low model syndrome", which makes maelstrom mission harder when you don't have extra fast models zooming around.
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2014/08/16 06:47:02
Subject: New Grey Knights Codex
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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Take your GK codex, slap the 7th edition errata on it, maybe make some of the stuff cheaper, add a table of warlord traits, then RIP 20 pages out that contained all the Inquisition units, special characters, henchmen etc. and RIP out all the assassin units as well, stuff what's left in a hardcover binding and sell it for 30 quid.
That's going to be our new codex in 2 weeks.
Oh and for any new 40k players looking to start with GK - have fun. You'll feel the need to ally yourself with another faction more than any other main army right now. So yeah, have fun paying another 30 quid to get that ally codex
Also, goodbye Inquisitor Valeria. Because no model, no more presence in the new dexes.
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2014/08/16 11:52:01
Subject: New Grey Knights Codex
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Monstrous Master Moulder
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The new codex. Twice the price and half the content. It's like Christmas in August.
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2014/08/16 17:16:55
Subject: New Grey Knights Codex
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Tough-as-Nails Ork Boy
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It sucks, because some of the books out there about GK are awesome books. IMO they just weren't a good choice for a specialist SM chapter that gets its own book.
This codex, I think, more than any other recent one is going to offer nothing at all to established players and make picking the army up more difficult in the future. That being said, GW could shock us all and somehow avoid that.
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2014/08/16 17:22:02
Subject: New Grey Knights Codex
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Dakka Veteran
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"No mater how well balanced the codex is or how powerful it is, the internet will rage on it." - Macharius
I saw this comment on BOLS. So much truth.
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2014/08/16 17:23:08
Subject: New Grey Knights Codex
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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Sir Arun wrote:Take your GK codex, slap the 7th edition errata on it, maybe make some of the stuff cheaper, add a table of warlord traits, then RIP 20 pages out that contained all the Inquisition units, special characters, henchmen etc. and RIP out all the assassin units as well, stuff what's left in a hardcover binding and sell it for 30 quid.
That's going to be our new codex in 2 weeks.
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You say this in jest, but within a week the points costs will be out (most have already been leaked in the collection builder cock up), we know the Inq stuff is the same, imagine the assassins well be the same or similar. It won't be hard to just attack the old codex with a Biro, note down the new costs, and your got a $0 codex update with state for all three books. Sure, you take it to a tourney, but I imagine most clubs populated by reasonable people would have no issue with it. It's what I'll be doing, at least!
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2014/08/16 17:37:00
Subject: Re:New Grey Knights Codex
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Happy Imperial Citizen
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its kind of typical, i decided 3 weeks ago to start up an allied army for my sons Dark Angels, having read pandorax, i thought yeah why not go Grey Knights, i decided to start off with an inquisitorial element first.
Oh well looks like i will have to start again.
Any news on an Inquisition 'Dex? - sorry for change of subject
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2014/08/16 18:33:00
Subject: New Grey Knights Codex
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Dour Wolf Priest with Iron Wolf Amulet
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There's been an Inquisition dex out for almost a year now...
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2014/08/16 19:14:28
Subject: New Grey Knights Codex
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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IMO I'm happy with it.
Inquisition and Assassins removed. Sad at loss of options, but they generally crowded out the GKs in their own book. Ordo Xenos and Hereticus never should have been in the first place. I'm hopin the leaked prices and rules are accurate:
Draigo- same price, LOW now
Mordrak- gone. Cool fluff, but rules-wise just a Grand Master with a special deepstrike and conjure: 1 GK terminator ability.
Stern- dropped in points
Crowe- bit more expensive.
Brother Captain/Grand master- Generally the same. Grand Master went up a tad, weapon options went down in price.
Librarian- far, far cheaper. 2/3 the old cost. Free CCW swaps. Can take combi-weapons
Techmarine- about the same price, CCW swaps are cheaper. Appears to have lost the grenade caddy option.
Purifiers- About the same. CCWs and Special weapons appear to have been standardized across units, so a bit more expensive for most loadouts.
Paladin- Base size of 3 now, not 1. Apothecary far far cheaper so now 3 paladins with 1 apothecary is the price of 2 with an apoth before. Weapon prices standardized.
Strike Squad- same base price, Sandardized prices mean cheaper CCW options and incinerators, Psylencers and Psycannons up a bit for them.
Terminator Squad- Appears about 20% cheaper base, standardized weapon costs. Still cheaper than before with nearly any loadout.
Thawn- gone.
Dreadnought. Bit more expensive base, far cheaper venerable. Elite now. Autocannons cheaper. Psybolts likely gone.
Interceptors- same base price, cheaper to add more. Standardized weapon prices help them quite a bit- incinerators and CCW especially.
Storm Raven- same price as Marine one. Same for the Rhino, Land Raider, and Razorback.
Purgators- tiny bit more expensive base, standardized weapon costs mean cheaper psycannons and CCW options for them
Dreadknight- same base price, far far cheaper teleporter, heavy weapon all 5-10 points cheaper, appears able to double up on the same weapon now.
I'm personally rather happy with the changes, but then I ran a pure GK force, not an Inquisition one with a few GK toys. If the leaked Dreadknight is true, that will be my next purchase after the codex.
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2014/08/16 19:19:09
Subject: New Grey Knights Codex
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Cosmic Joe
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Random Dude wrote:"No mater how well balanced the codex is or how powerful it is, the internet will rage on it." - Macharius
I saw this comment on BOLS. So much truth.
You enjoy paying more for half the content?
Don't confuse valid criticism with rage or whining.
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Also, check out my history blog: Minimum Wage Historian, a fun place to check out history that often falls between the couch cushions. |
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2014/08/16 19:23:12
Subject: New Grey Knights Codex
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Dakka Veteran
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MWHistorian wrote: Random Dude wrote:"No mater how well balanced the codex is or how powerful it is, the internet will rage on it." - Macharius
I saw this comment on BOLS. So much truth.
You enjoy paying more for half the content?
Don't confuse valid criticism with rage or whining.
I'm not saying there isn't valid criticism. I am saying that there is sure to be a fair amount of whining to go along with it.
*edit- "Fair" is used in the pejorative sense.
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2014/08/16 19:30:02
Subject: New Grey Knights Codex
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Cosmic Joe
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Random Dude wrote: MWHistorian wrote: Random Dude wrote:"No mater how well balanced the codex is or how powerful it is, the internet will rage on it." - Macharius
I saw this comment on BOLS. So much truth.
You enjoy paying more for half the content?
Don't confuse valid criticism with rage or whining.
I'm not saying there isn't valid criticism. I am saying that there is sure to be a fair amount of whining to go along with it.
*edit- "Fair" is used in the pejorative sense.
In this case, I'd say that the whining is well earned.
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Also, check out my history blog: Minimum Wage Historian, a fun place to check out history that often falls between the couch cushions. |
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2014/08/16 19:34:25
Subject: New Grey Knights Codex
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Sneaky Sniper Drone
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wait arent there out some inqusition codexed ( from about 3E) ?
so i think is logical that inqusutor are out of the codex, after all : deamon weapon on a grey knight army? really?
now is more near the fluf, only bad maybe that it has no much models, but Tau were like that in last 2 editions and were pretty ok , i think it will be same whith GK but i dont play them to be 100% sure
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2014/08/16 19:49:09
Subject: New Grey Knights Codex
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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So basically this makes IG players who lost most of their special characters and their artillery tanks look like they came off almost unscathed compared to what GK players are about to go through.
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2014/08/16 20:01:58
Subject: New Grey Knights Codex
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Sneaky Sniper Drone
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Sir Arun wrote:So basically this makes IG players who lost most of their special characters and their artillery tanks look like they came off almost unscathed compared to what GK players are about to go through.
and Iqusitor player do evil laught
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2014/08/16 20:12:19
Subject: New Grey Knights Codex
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Those who ran pure GK forces proably aren't going to be too negitivly impacted by the new codex, (I hope we get to keep psybolts though) the big lsoers here are gonna be the folks who ran Cortez with 4+ bands of henchmen.
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2014/08/17 07:17:27
Subject: New Grey Knights Codex
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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Chaos Rising wrote:Is the new codex a nerf or a buff? If it is a buff it might solidify my idea to start them after a year of hesitating.
Well, after reading the new WD, I think the new GK are meant to be played as an ally force or a main detachment with allies like vanilla SM or AM.
The low model count is a serious downside at the competitive level especially against very shooty or horde armies.
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2014/08/17 07:36:58
Subject: New Grey Knights Codex
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
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MajorWesJanson wrote:IMO I'm happy with it.
Inquisition and Assassins removed. Sad at loss of options, but they generally crowded out the GKs in their own book. Ordo Xenos and Hereticus never should have been in the first place.
You know what? I understand a lot of people invested into Grey Knights in 5ith, but I am fething pissed at this idea that GK somehow deserved their own codex. In third edition, it was Daemonhunters. That was the codex I got into, and it's what made me fall in love with the inquisition. The 5th edition book should have been Codex: Inquisition. But no. GW knew it was easier to pimp out more space marines, and those of us who put love and effort into their IST and inquisitors got shafted, and we were continually relegated to obscurity with that abortion of a cash grab that was the supplement , and you people have the GALL to say that an organization with such a rich and diverse background is less important than more fething space marines.
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2014/08/17 07:41:42
Subject: New Grey Knights Codex
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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removing almost 50% of an armylist and lowering the points cost of the remaining 50% to bring them in line with vanilla smurfs is what counts as a new codex these days...and people will rush and buy it because it has kool cover art
(i'm not joking...the current GK armylist section has 38 unit entries. The new one will remove 15 of them)
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2014/08/17 07:44:11
Subject: New Grey Knights Codex
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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The cover looks ok, I'm not sure what people love about it so much over the other ones. If anything, they did a worse job with the forced perspective compared to some of the other codices.
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2014/08/17 07:58:47
Subject: New Grey Knights Codex
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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About the "GK lose so many units! Gawd!" argument:
How many of "all" those units have GK players regularly fielded?
Exactly.
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2014/08/17 08:13:10
Subject: New Grey Knights Codex
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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Sigvatr wrote:About the " GK lose so many units! Gawd!" argument:
How many of "all" those units have GK players regularly fielded?
Exactly.
Worst reason ever to lose units.
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2014/08/17 08:38:05
Subject: Re:New Grey Knights Codex
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Dakka Veteran
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They are likely to take a hit in the psi department. 6th spi did not scale the way 7th does, thus they are likely to be brought in line with the new edition.
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2014/08/17 08:46:52
Subject: New Grey Knights Codex
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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AllSeeingSkink wrote: Sigvatr wrote:About the " GK lose so many units! Gawd!" argument:
How many of "all" those units have GK players regularly fielded?
Exactly.
Worst reason ever to lose units.
How many? None at all.
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2014/08/17 09:10:44
Subject: New Grey Knights Codex
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Road-Raging Blood Angel Biker
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Acolytes and jokero, death cult assassins and crusaders..
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