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I was taking a look at CMON's Arcadia Quest unboxing video (below) and feeling a bit remorseful not having got in on that action once I saw the final minis.




At the time it was a choice of backing AQ or Soda Pop Miniature's Forgotten King and I made the call that felt best. It shouldn't prevent me from picking up Arcadia Quest at retail now, but the amount of KS exclusive figures leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Basically, I feel like I'd be overpaying for an incomplete version of the game so I'll probably not be pursuing it in the future; unless, of course, I stumble on a price-is-right ebay auction for the KS pledge.

Interesting realization that it's probably not the only game that I'd only purchase through KS.

Of course, there's the other side to that coin -- I'm looking at you Relic Knights! -- of backing or going too deep on a KS project and regretting that decision. The miniatures for that one being a mixed bag and kinda wishing I'd shown more restraint when throwing money at it.



With that in mind I've come to you, fellow Dakkaites. Come! Tell us the tale of the one the got away or the one that broke your heart.

Are there crowdfunded projects that you didn't back but wish you had? Or perhaps there are projects you heavily invested in which now seem like a horrible drunken mistake?
   
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The Great State of New Jersey

I feel the exact same way about Rivet Wars and Sentinels of the Multiverse, both games are fun and enjoyable, woulx like to own both, but betwen the exclusives I no longer have access to and the relative cost of the retail set vs the kickstarter promo, Im not going to invest in them, its kind of a double edged sword if you think about it, kickstarter is a great way to get something into production, but if you make the deal too sweet you can actually turn away customers come time for retail.

I may eventually pick up sentinels anyway, being a card game its considerably easier to get promo cards made as the pdf docs for the promo cards are floating around out there.

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Longtime Dakkanaut







Glad I jumped on this one. I have been happy with a few different CMON kickstarters. Looking forward to getting my stuff.
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut





I'm pretty gutted about missing the first Zombicide. It just doesn't seem the same without Dave the Geek.

Rivet wars I decided to pass on. It looked super cute, but I was bit put off by the scale and the high price for all the exclusives.

I was actually regretting (just the yesterday) that I didn't jump in on Relic Knights. Of course, not as much as I was regretting it before the SDE crossovers went public. I'm quite interested in the game though anyway. The style of the models and scale looks like it would fit well with Infinity.

I'm really looking forward to Arcadia Quest. I think it says a lot about a game, when even watching videos of other people playing it is kinda fun. The critical mechanic looks like it adds a lot of fun and tension to the game.

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Sniping Reverend Moira





Cincinnati, Ohio

As an FYI, the Arcadia Quest pledge managers haven't been locked down so if you can find someone that backed they can probably add you.


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FYI part two: the rivet wars exclusives should end up being pretty easy to get at conventions.

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Thanks for that info, Cincy. I'll try shooting them an email and see if they can't add me via pledge manager; failing that, I'll look for a sponsor.

chaos0xomega wrote:
its kind of a double edged sword if you think about it, kickstarter is a great way to get something into production, but if you make the deal too sweet you can actually turn away customers come time for retail.


This is very true. Zombicide's another big one that I regret not getting in on, like Chaosomega, and whenever I see another Zombicide KS pop up I'm interested but feel like that ship has sailed for me.

And I just plain ol' forgot about the Guild Ball KS until after it'd funded. That's life, though.

CMoN seem to be doing fairly well at kickstarting projects now. Their approach could be a little less exclusive heavy, I feel, and perhaps focus more on the price discount to gain backing instead of limiting content to the funding period.
   
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Oberstleutnant






Perth, West Australia

I'm miffed I missed the first Mantic Dreadball kickstarter, the value was insane. Even if you write-off the problematic minis such as unannounced swaps to metal or poor casts in restic, it was still a huge saving over retail - which I have bought almost all of now.

I'm stoked I went in big for Mantic Deadzone, huge value from that and an excellent game. Mantic restic v2 is a substantial improvement over v1, but it's still painful to deal with - literally, lots of bleeding ; p
I'm stoked I went in big for Mantic Dreadball Xtreme which will nicely expand Dreadball and had excellent value.
Mars Attacks is looking good in both gameplay and value, with decent quality boardgame plastic minis.
Dreamforge Eisenkern is the best quality/price I've had and even though it's coming up on 2 years late for the final (3rd) wave, I think it worth it given the savings and helping bring such an awesome project to life.
Wild West Exodus is another really high quality kickstarter that gave substantial savings over retail. I'm glad I helped make this a reality too, the resin and plastic minis are all exquisite.
Battle Systems sci-fi terrain was probably the best handled KS I've backed. An excellent product that the company made sure to get perfect by refining the production process, at a good price with substantial freebies over retail. Great communication from start to end and they've taken what they learned into the next KS which is up now.

My only potential burn I think is Raging Heroes which is taking its time and there have been reports of bad casts (which should be replaced), and it's even possible they'll fail before I get my minis as I didn't go for the first wave. The sculpts looked great though, so here's hoping ; p I *did* cut my pledge down from $800 to $170 or so at the end because of concerns so my exposure was substantially limited.

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Dipping With Wood Stain



Welwyn Garden City, Herts

 Yonan wrote:
I'm miffed I missed the first Mantic Dreadball kickstarter, the value was insane. Even if you write-off the problematic minis such as unannounced swaps to metal or poor casts in restic, it was still a huge saving over retail - which I have bought almost all of now.


Interesting, Dreadball is my big KS regret - I went in for about $200 on the Striker plus some extras. Then when it came, I tried to build and paint up a team which I gave up on part way through as the material was soo poor to work with and didn't hold detail well for painting (my primary enjoyment). So it all sits unused in a box. When the second wave came, I didn't even check it off, I just poured the mini's into the big box of dreadball stuff and closed it up again. I haven't looked at buying a Mantic product since.

The Judge Dredd one has been a disaster in terms of on time delivery, but I've loved being part of that one - after getting a huge bunch of models at the start, it has trickled through models on a reasonably regular basis and at a huge discount vs retail (I think I worked it out at about 57% discount vs their 2012 prices, and since partnering with Warlord, the retail has risen notably, so the discount is much bigger. I also had a small pledge on the Rogue Trooper KS which has been a mess but is getting back on track - my reward was delivered already so happy enough there).

Empire of the Dead was a great experience in terms of models - very nice stuff and reasonably timely delivery (iirc it slipped 3 months), nice community, but disappointing rules support.

Most of my other KS's are still in stages of delivery but I'm happy enough with all of them (Winter War running silly late but at a silly low price, I expected that and it will deliver when it delivers, hopefully helping a small company to develop; Aliens vs Predator, late, dodgy communication, but lovely looking models; Games & Gear Battle Boards - jury out - it's late, comms aren't great, but a very good price for what looks to be a decent product - will watch with interest; Tooth & Sword - great sculpts, look to be coming out in a timely manner (funded start of July, should ship next week)).

Regrets that I didn't back - Spectre's moderns - really nice stuff but I just couldn't justify another project - will have to buy the rebel in a wedding dress set at retail though ; Tercio Creativo's Indiegogo just for one exclusive figure that I loved; sort of Otherworld's Indiegogo although delivery has been so dodgy on that one I'm probably best to cherry pick at retail, but it was a nice deal if/ when it arrived.

   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

I've not got any regrets on ones that I've backed even those that have gone down the pan as I always regard my KS spending as a gamble

(disasters: Axes and Anvils and Hydra dice, although there are slight signs something may come of them)

Some of the stuff I have had have ended up unused, or not as used as I hoped

The worst example is Dreadball,:my friends just aren't interested in sports games, and despite enjoying it I don't like it enough to go out of my way to play (like I might for other games)

but on the other hand having the whole game & expansions is pretty cool and will slowly get my moneys worth from painting it up

I do regret missing out on some crowd funding projects (like Zombicide ) as I had no spare cash at the time or only had the money to get some of the stuff (Cthulhu Wars)


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I've not got any regrets on ones that I've backed even those that have gone down the pan as I always regard my KS spending as a gamble

(disasters: Axes and Anvils and Hydra dice, although there are slight signs something may come of them)

Some of the stuff I have had have ended up unused, or not as used as I hoped

The worst example is Dreadball,:my friends just aren't interested in sports games, and despite enjoying it I don't like it enough to go out of my way to play (like I might for other games)

but on the other hand having the whole game & expansions is pretty cool and will slowly get my moneys worth from painting it up

I do regret missing out on some crowd funding projects (like Zombicide ) as I had no spare cash at the time or only had the money to get some of the stuff (Cthulhu Wars)

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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I always regard my KS spending as a gamble

...

Some of the stuff I have had have ended up unused, or not as used as I hoped

The projects I've backed never really seem like a gamble in terms of fulfillment, only quality. That's what ultimately made me not back Demigods; the existing products for Titan Forge didn't instill the greatest confidence that the miniatures would translate well from concept/render to final resin (not even mentioning plastic) model.

One kickstarter I regret not backing is Anima, not because I was interested in the product (a video game) but because I wanted to show support for Anima itself in the hopes that the miniature line would feel the love. I wish they'd do more/better with it and I saw the KS as a step towards that.


Dreadball suffers the same stigma as Zombicide does with me. Namely that I missed my chance to get in on the ground floor and the follow-up efforts just seem superfluous to me now.
   
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Minnesota

I regret backing Sedition Wars, then again, who didn't?

Tons of stuff in the box, but the only stuff worth anything is the plastic bases. Hate the material too.

It is also a big reason why I don't back anything CMoN (as I personally put a big chunk of the problems with SW on them).

I am slightly peeved at Mantic and wish they would stop doing the KS every 4 months and actually work on getting better product out the door. I wish I would have looked at my Dreadball stuff when I got it so I would have thought more about Deadzone when I got that. No more Mantic till its all plastic for me.

Unlike a few vocal people, DFG has been one of the best experiences. Great value and amazing models. My only regret is not purchasing more stuff at Kickstarter prices!

edit: I wish I would have got in on the Assault Butts

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 Dentry wrote:


At the time it was a choice of backing AQ or Soda Pop Miniature's Forgotten King and I made the call that felt best. It shouldn't prevent me from picking up Arcadia Quest at retail now, but the amount of KS exclusive figures leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Basically, I feel like I'd be overpaying for an incomplete version of the game so I'll probably not be pursuing it in the future; unless, of course, I stumble on a price-is-right ebay auction for the KS pledge.



I feel the same way about exclusives. 1-2 is OK (you do want to reward your backers with a little something special) but CMON tends to go crazy and that's bad business imo. Arcadia Quest was probably the worst KS I've seen in that regards, as I think the exclusives damn near outnumbered the non-exclusives.

And as to regrets - I have a few.

1) The first Mantic KS - it's well known what happened to the Basileans. I sold pretty much everything - I only kinda regret it though, as I made a tidy profit, and boosted my ebay seller rating quite a bit in the process.
2) Reaper Bones 2 - I managed to avoid the ridiculous value of the first bones, and wasn't particularly tempted by the 2nd. Until they revealed the big dragon/castle ruins set at the very end. "I could use terrain!" I thought (I can't, I won't) and then on top of that, I pledged a little more for the big, squid-like thing. And IIRC, the exclusive Sophie.
3) Secret Weapon tablescapes - is pretty much along those lines. A last second early bird opened up on the small display boards. "I need a little display board" I thought. (I don't - no clue where I'd put it, never played a game of anything). So I don't know what I'll do with that either.
4) Avatars of War - I only bid for the limited BSB - but over 2 years (and now several emails) later - and I am still BSB-less. It's really soured me on them, and whereas once I was considering a small AOW dwarf army. No more. My dream of a dwarf army eludes me as several prospective ones have failed on one account or another (GW, Mantic, Aow). My current hope for a dwarf army is that one day PP will get cracking on the Rhulic mercs vis-à-vis plastic/expansion.


   
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Oberstleutnant






Perth, West Australia

richred_uk wrote:
 Yonan wrote:
I'm miffed I missed the first Mantic Dreadball kickstarter, the value was insane. Even if you write-off the problematic minis such as unannounced swaps to metal or poor casts in restic, it was still a huge saving over retail - which I have bought almost all of now.


Interesting, Dreadball is my big KS regret - I went in for about $200 on the Striker plus some extras. Then when it came, I tried to build and paint up a team which I gave up on part way through as the material was soo poor to work with and didn't hold detail well for painting (my primary enjoyment). So it all sits unused in a box. When the second wave came, I didn't even check it off, I just poured the mini's into the big box of dreadball stuff and closed it up again. I haven't looked at buying a Mantic product since.

Understandable if that's your main enjoyment - and after buying season 1 at retail yeah, some of them were pretty bad quality as you say. I got into the hobby to paint initially, but Dreadball has been my favourite tabletop game since I got it. Fast and fun!

Don't let it steer you 100% clear of Mantic though - their stuff does range in material and sculpt quality, but their rules are awesome and some of their stuff is really nice. I forget when the restic formula changed, you might find wave 2 substantially better than your wave 1 stuff... or was there 3 waves... You could probably sell your Dreadball for something like double what you paid, depending on how sweet the spot was you pledged at.
   
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Wraith






Salem, MA

Haven't had a distinctly negative experience yet. Still waiting on Kingdom Death, but my only regret there is that I didn't get more at the original KS prices!

I hit the first two Zombicides, but they only see so much play, so I bowed out of the third.

I still have a huge box of bones as well as Kaladrax/Wyrmgear to paint. I think I've done up maybe one figure completely.



Though upon consideration, the worst one I've been a part of (but still got my pledge for) was Tectonic Craft Studios . The kit I got from them was very pretty, but seeing as the folks who went for full table of terrain still haven't received their stuff after TWO YEARS, I can't feel good about it. It would also help if I didn't see the creator hammered at cons seemingly without a care in the world.

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No wargames these days, more DM/Painting.

I paint things occasionally. Some things you may even like! 
   
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I'm irked the Vor- The Maelstrom revival KS never took off as the guy did it before Kickstarter became the "in" thing in wargaming.

I'm honestly surprised he's not given it another go.


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Minnesota

Schmapdi wrote:

4) Avatars of War - I only bid for the limited BSB - but over 2 years (and now several emails) later - and I am still BSB-less. It's really soured me on them, and whereas once I was considering a small AOW dwarf army. No more. My dream of a dwarf army eludes me as several prospective ones have failed on one account or another (GW, Mantic, Aow). My current hope for a dwarf army is that one day PP will get cracking on the Rhulic mercs vis-à-vis plastic/expansion.


Oh I forgot about that, but I remember there being plenty of warning during the campaign about it, so I guess it was a $15 dollar gamble that hasn't paid out yet. I also would love a AoW Dwarf army, but not any more.

   
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Nuremberg

Hmmm. I've only backed a couple of KS, I guess.

I've backed 3 of Tre Manor's KS and been satisfied with all of them, although they did run a little late (I was lucky in the first one as I had a small order of mostly already sculpted stuff, so I didn't get hit with the extreme delays that some had), the quality of the figures when they got to me was high enough that I didn't mind at all.

I regret not backing Bones, just because it seems to have been a real success and my "wait for retail" stance hasn't worked out because none of the local retailers stock it!

I slightly regret backing Realm Works, because I was mostly backing for the adventures and I don't think I've received them. I must have a look! The software itself is a little extraneous for me, now that I've played around with it, because at the moment I'm mostly running pre-written stuff. I might get into world building in a while and I figure it'll be a lot more useful for that, though.

   
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Making Stuff






Under the couch

sparkywtf wrote:
I regret backing Sedition Wars, then again, who didn't?

Tons of stuff in the box, but the only stuff worth anything is the plastic bases. Hate the material too.

Indeed. Sedition Wars seemed like a no-brainer, and right up until the Wave 2 miniatures was all looking fantastic... Huge let-down.

McVey's 'I decided to change the scale halfway through the release!' is the reason I won't be buying anything from McVey in the future.

 
   
 
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