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My list so far is 2335 points and I'm not sure where to go from there. The need to have 25% of my list as core causes some problems so I just try to pack as many bodies as possible
but with the new 50% allowance to lords I wanted to make a list in which I could essentially if I wanted to swap Nagash in and out of without requiring too much change.

There are a few gimmicks with my list in regards to the lords choices. The Ghoul king on terrorgheist getting two shrieks, 8 attacks on the charge with the infinite hatred rerolls for the vampire
its pretty glass cannon-like with no save but due to flying I don't see it as that much of a problem, hoping it will be in combat first or second turn depending on what happens it should be okay.

The level 4 wizard is the next, sitting behind or a in front of the corpse cart in a bunker of 50 zombies also situated between the mortis engine and hierotitan you are looking at +7-9 towards casting
with the undead legion rules allowing the heirotitan to affect the necromancer means that alonside the 4 for caster level, +2 for the mortis it can also acquire another d3 to each spell cast giving almost
unparallel casting dominance. The other two necromancers while naked at level 1 will gain +3 to 5 just from being near in their own 50 man bunkers as well.

I do feel like my list could be a little more killy but I'm not sure how people what rate what I have so far so I'm looking for comments, criticism's and advice as what to take alongside this, if there is anything
people would change out and why etc.

Oh! And vanhels on the corpse cart to give all the zombies always strikes first seems really nice as well.

VAMPIRE COUNTS ARMY LIST
Army List: 2500pts

LORD Points used: 905pts
HERO Points used: 130pts
CORE points used: 645pts
SPECIAL points used: 105pts
RARE points used: 550pts
--- Total points used: 2335pts


LORD
Master Necromancer
Lvl4
Dispel Scroll
Master of the Dead
Talismen of Preservation

Strigoi Ghoul King
Scabscrath
Terrorgheist
Red Fury
Dragon bane Gem

HERO
NECROMANCER

NECROMANCER

CORE
50 Zombies
Standard Bearer
Musician

50 Zombies
Standard Bearer
Musician

50 Zombies
Standard Bearer
Musician

3 Chariots

SPECIAL
Corpse Cart
Bale Flame

RARE
Mortis Engine
Blasphemous Tome

Hierotitan

Casket of Souls

WS1 and ASL isn't enough to make zombie useful.
If you want to go Legion of Zombies, get a few tomb princes. WS5 means you're going to get hit a lot less, ASF helps too.
For less than the cost of the Gheist, you could get 3 tomb princes and 3 banshees. It will make those zombies actually useful.
In your current list, the Ghoul King would have to be the general, and that leaves you in a rough spot when the bad side of frenzy kicks in.

Okay so I've drawn from that, and re-arranged stuff but now I find myself with a void and unsurity.

I've combined the vampire and master necro into one, but I'm not entirely sure what to give him because I don't really want to send him forward now that not only is he my general he's a lvl 4 wizard thats kinda important. Seperating the two causes some issues more so then I already have
because I don't have a clue where to stick the lvl 4 vamp, mostly because the 100 block of zombies is already home to 1 necro and a tomb prince.

I've gone for having chariots in place of more zombies, with the corpse cart behind if I can expend my opponents dispel dice (which I should be able to do easily at +7-9 on my casts) I can use the staff of damnation to give all undead within 6 inches additional attack which at the same time will trigger the always strikes first. Meaning those 100 zombies will be WS 5, always strikes first and 2 attacks.

I'm a little sad I don't have a terrorgheist but with the casket, titan and mortis I'm hoping it wont be too important but I now have 500pts to fill and I think I need to look carefully at using those points the best I can to ensure my lvl4 / general doesn't die while adding some more punch to my list.

VAMPIRE COUNTS ARMY LIST
Army List: 2500pts

LORD Points used: 325pts
HERO Points used: 487pts
CORE points used: 640pts
SPECIAL points used: 0pts
RARE points used: 550pts
--- Total points used: 2002pts


LORD
Vampire Lord
Lvl4




HERO
NECROMANCER
Lvl2
Staff of Damnation
Corpse Cart

LICHE PRIEST
Lvl2
Dispel Scroll

Tomb Prince
Shield
Enkhil's Kanopi

CORE
100 Zombies
Standard Bearer
Musician

3 Chariots

3 Chariots

SPECIAL


RARE
Mortis Engine
Blasphemous Tome

Hierotitan

Casket of Souls

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Just realized for 5 more points I can change the scroll caddie from a necromancer to a liche priest that should give me passive ressurect on cast as well as the ability to gain even more buffability to my zombies be it +1 attack (again making it 3) killing blow, 5+ ward's or weakening the foes im in combat by reducing toughness. Only the number 4 spell is useless really.

Nu more input? D:

 HawaiiMatt wrote:
WS1 and ASL isn't enough to make zombie useful.
If you want to go Legion of Zombies, get a few tomb princes. WS5 means you're going to get hit a lot less, ASF helps too.
For less than the cost of the Gheist, you could get 3 tomb princes and 3 banshees. It will make those zombies actually useful.
In your current list, the Ghoul King would have to be the general, and that leaves you in a rough spot when the bad side of frenzy kicks in.

Corpse Cart has Vigor mortis at a 6" range, that will grant the zombies ASF. As long as you can get ION, mega cast VHDM, OR mega cast HV off with in range of the cart. I do like the banshee set up on the zombies

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Sasa0mg your first list looked better just needs a few improvements. I do like the banshees additions to the zombies. not sold on the tomb princes.

 Sasa0mg wrote:

VAMPIRE COUNTS ARMY LIST
Army List: 2500pts

LORD Points used: 905pts
HERO Points used: 130pts
CORE points used: 645pts
SPECIAL points used: 105pts
RARE points used: 550pts
--- Total points used: 2335pts


LORD
Master Necromancer
Lvl4
Dispel Scroll
Master of the Dead
Talismen of Preservation

Strigoi Ghoul King
Scabscrath
Terrorgheist
Red Fury
Dragon bane Gem

HERO
NECROMANCER

NECROMANCER

I'd put the dispel scroll on a level 1 Necromancer and if the points allow i'd add earthing rod to Master Necromancer, Ghoul King on Terrorghiest I'm not sure if this is a great set up on not I normall do not play them, I'm also not sold on the Tomb Princes but the Banshees for the Zombies do sound great.

 Sasa0mg wrote:

CORE
50 Zombies
Standard Bearer
Musician

50 Zombies
Standard Bearer
Musician

50 Zombies
Standard Bearer
Musician

3 Chariots

Zombies need more to be useful as tarpits how about 2 60-70+ squads with banshees, as for chariots no comment I don't play Tomb Kings. you aslo lack chaff/warmachine hunter units I guess the chariots could do this if you wanted.

 Sasa0mg wrote:

SPECIAL
Corpse Cart
Bale Flame

RARE
Mortis Engine
Blasphemous Tome

Hierotitan

Casket of Souls

Keep the Corpse Cart close to your Zombies to utilize Vigor Mortis, however in my opinion you will still need a beat stick unit thats why I'm not sold on the Tomb Princes. A unit that has good toughness and high strength like Grave Guard with great weapons or Tomb Guard with halberds. You may need to drop a few rares and the Ghoul King to get that beat stick unit.

The idea from the ghoul king on gheist is I was wanting to make something that would really wreck. I mean the ghoul king in combat has 8 attacks on the charge with gaining additional attacks each time he makes wounds, he has his own shriek 2d6+3 alongside the gheist's shriek of 2d6+6 to begin with, he could quite easily wipe out full units of 20-30 in a single round at that point the only thing to watch out for would be always strikes first BUT I could give him that if I felt I needed it.

Chariots will generally go after warmachines and flank charge big groups that get stuck in the zombies.

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the thing about the casts is I don't really need to mega cast much of anything.

With one dice my lvl 4 can rack up a 15 if they roll a 6.

The average + to spell casting will be around 7 and theres 4 bound spells before you even get to my my actual lore related spells.

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Dropping rares is difficult, the casket of souls if they allow it to cast will cause some serious problems and if they deny it thats more dice on their part to stop me. Hierotitan and mortis engine can provide a +5 to my casting which iis pretty important if I run magic heavy.


Cant deny that I do want a terragheist if only for the model. I might be able to just slip that in, within the last 2500 pts but that could just be cannoned off the table and would cost around 600+ points to have it at full strength.
I could quite easily use the spare 500pts to put in a graveguard unit though, but they seem so fragile I mean.

I know it requires a lot from my magic phase but in all fairness if I can juke my opponent into burning dispel dice to stop things like curse of ages or w/e which I can quite easily cast with only a couple of dice compared to what they will need to use to dispell it I'm sure I can buff the zombies.

With the appropriate rolls I can have

ASF
Additional attack
+ 1 attack
KB

All stacked onto zombies that are WS5 because of the tomb prince. This makes them 3 attacks each always strikes first with killing blow and most of those buff are from bound spells / augments which at the same time cause me to regain more zombies in the process. And thats before my level 4 even touches a spell from their lore.

I'm at a bit of a slump, I really want that magic phase domination though I've looked into potentially using Nagash as well. I got two lists here for that


Non-Nagash 2400pts
I really don't know what to do here, or if the lore of undeath is worth taking on anyone that isn't one of the new special characters so I dunno what to
use, I feel like I need more force maybe a vampire and bus to add some physical presence outside of the magic phase but I don't know what to do to get that.



Nagash List
I looked into sing nagash, the points are the same as the list above though I think he makes good use of the magic a little more.
With two necromancers to support him and the mortis & titan can give him a potential +10 to cast. Thats basically the need to roll
a 6+ on X amount of dice to raise 450 points of monstrous cavalry, monstrous beasts, cavalry, characters etc. a 2+ for most other spells
And getting the 10+ isn't really very difficult at MINIMUM Nagash will be at a +8 to cast...

Everything in the list as is, is generally a road bump because the real damage is to be summoned.