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Bloodthirster 500
Exalted
Lesser

Lord of Change 570
Level 4
Exalted
Lesser
LoTzeentch

Herald of Nurgle 210
BSB
2 Lesser

10 Horrors130

10 Horrors 130

29 PlagueBearers 422
Full Command
Standard of Discipline

10 Flesh Hounds 330
Ambushers

Beast of Nurgle 60



The plan is to hide the big bads with impassable. Billy takes the Rock, spawns a building which the plaguebearers walk into. The Chicken goes for the Eternal Blade and ASF sword.

The Rock only has a 1:6 chance of making a building. You get a wall, and on a 4-5 roll on a D6, you get another wall.
The problem is, you have to touch existing cursed terrain when you place the additional pieces. Since cannons remove bulwarks, you risk absorbing 1 cannon hit and loses the rock for the rest of the game, as you're unable to place.

With the low body count, I'd consider lore of undeath on the chicken. If you can hide during deployment, and then fly up with the blood thirster peeking out (behind the bulwark you create), he can go into the warmachine(s) turn 2, while the chicken starts to drop support undead.

 HawaiiMatt wrote:
The Rock only has a 1:6 chance of making a building. You get a wall, and on a 4-5 roll on a D6, you get another wall.
The problem is, you have to touch existing cursed terrain when you place the additional pieces. Since cannons remove bulwarks, you risk absorbing 1 cannon hit and loses the rock for the rest of the game, as you're unable to place.

With the low body count, I'd consider lore of undeath on the chicken. If you can hide during deployment, and then fly up with the blood thirster peeking out (behind the bulwark you create), he can go into the warmachine(s) turn 2, while the chicken starts to drop support undead.

This list is going up against a legions army. Cannons are indeed out of the equation, else I'd be running the netlist, and with the two combat monsters, Nagash and his Mortarchs are going to get chopped up!

If your tailoring for the Undead Legion, why bring the Rock?
A 1:6 chance of getting a building, and it's hardly useful for fighting undead.
Also, why two magic weapons, when you're only allowed to use 1? Or are you hoping for the ASF gift, and the super sword?
Looking at Nagash and a greater daemon, I don't see any combination that is likely to win.
I think your best bet is 2 skullcannons and a soul grinder with bombardment.

 HawaiiMatt wrote:
If your tailoring for the Undead Legion, why bring the Rock?
A 1:6 chance of getting a building, and it's hardly useful for fighting undead.
Also, why two magic weapons, when you're only allowed to use 1? Or are you hoping for the ASF gift, and the super sword?
Looking at Nagash and a greater daemon, I don't see any combination that is likely to win.
I think your best bet is 2 skullcannons and a soul grinder with bombardment.

I agree with Matt.

nagash is a boss in combat with the means to replenish his wounds.

a luxury demons don't.

 HawaiiMatt wrote:
If your tailoring for the Undead Legion, why bring the Rock?
A 1:6 chance of getting a building, and it's hardly useful for fighting undead.
Also, why two magic weapons, when you're only allowed to use 1? Or are you hoping for the ASF gift, and the super sword?
Looking at Nagash and a greater daemon, I don't see any combination that is likely to win.
I think your best bet is 2 skullcannons and a soul grinder with bombardment.

Thanks to the FAQ abut the fencers blades, the chicken doesn't have to use the Eternal blade to get it's effect.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 HawaiiMatt wrote:
If your tailoring for the Undead Legion, why bring the Rock?
A 1:6 chance of getting a building, and it's hardly useful for fighting undead.
Also, why two magic weapons, when you're only allowed to use 1? Or are you hoping for the ASF gift, and the super sword?
Looking at Nagash and a greater daemon, I don't see any combination that is likely to win.
I think your best bet is 2 skullcannons and a soul grinder with bombardment.

Thanks to the FAQ abut the fencers blades, the chicken doesn't have to use the Eternal blade to get it's effect.

Huh, didn't notice that the Eternal Blade triggers at the start of combat.
Even with that, you're hitting on 3s (or 4's if you roll a 1 on the D3) with re-rolls to hit, and wounding on 4's, 3's or 2's, depending on how well you roll. Nagash saves on a 4++.
Nagy hits on a 4+, wounds on a 2+, you save on a 5+++ (re-roll 1's), he's doing D3 wounds..

On the D3, the chicken can expect
D3 roll of:
3: 2.96 wounds
2: 2.07 wounds
1: 1.25 wounds

Nagash: should score ~1.94 unsaved hits, D3 wounds each; 4 wounds.
While combat is a draw (given the chicken charges), nagash should be packing at least 3 spells to heal himself, and with 7 wounds, it's unlikely that you're down him.

That chicken is better than I thought (few things tie nagash).
Maybe drop the Blood Thirster for cannon x2 and soul grinder. If you can get Nagash a little weakened before you hit him you've got a much better shot.

The entire plan is to tag team things with the pair of flying demons. The block is there to sit back and look pretty whilst the horrors do their thing.

I could theoretically use the chicken as a metal battery and nuke Nagash. But I prefer gatewaying and dual charging.

 thedarkavenger wrote:
The entire plan is to tag team things with the pair of flying demons. The block is there to sit back and look pretty whilst the horrors do their thing.

I could theoretically use the chicken as a metal battery and nuke Nagash. But I prefer gatewaying and dual charging.

Dual charge just results in a challenge, and only 1 fighting.

 HawaiiMatt wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
The entire plan is to tag team things with the pair of flying demons. The block is there to sit back and look pretty whilst the horrors do their thing.

I could theoretically use the chicken as a metal battery and nuke Nagash. But I prefer gatewaying and dual charging.

Dual charge just results in a challenge, and only 1 fighting.

Both of them grind Nagash out. Once he deals with one, he'll probably be weakened enough for the other to finish him off.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 HawaiiMatt wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
The entire plan is to tag team things with the pair of flying demons. The block is there to sit back and look pretty whilst the horrors do their thing.

I could theoretically use the chicken as a metal battery and nuke Nagash. But I prefer gatewaying and dual charging.

Dual charge just results in a challenge, and only 1 fighting.

Both of them grind Nagash out. Once he deals with one, he'll probably be weakened enough for the other to finish him off.

That, I'm not sold on. It isn't that tough for Nagash to get back wounds, and it's impossible for the daemons to do the same. Also, if nagash gets a little lucky with the D3 rolls, he could kill one and cripple the other.

Another reason why to take a cannon or two? Terrorghiests. Yeah, plural. I've screamed more greater daemons off the table than I can count. 2D6+6 can be a big number. Big enough where a pair of them and kill/maim/cripple a daemon.

 HawaiiMatt wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 HawaiiMatt wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
The entire plan is to tag team things with the pair of flying demons. The block is there to sit back and look pretty whilst the horrors do their thing.

I could theoretically use the chicken as a metal battery and nuke Nagash. But I prefer gatewaying and dual charging.

Dual charge just results in a challenge, and only 1 fighting.

Both of them grind Nagash out. Once he deals with one, he'll probably be weakened enough for the other to finish him off.

That, I'm not sold on. It isn't that tough for Nagash to get back wounds, and it's impossible for the daemons to do the same. Also, if nagash gets a little lucky with the D3 rolls, he could kill one and cripple the other.

Another reason why to take a cannon or two? Terrorghiests. Yeah, plural. I've screamed more greater daemons off the table than I can count. 2D6+6 can be a big number. Big enough where a pair of them and kill/maim/cripple a daemon.

With the two marching fliers, I think I can dodge the terrorgheists. I will admit that is solely dependent on the deployment, and movement. If my opponent swings them round each flank(which is normally a good move) then they each eat a combat beast. If he sticks them together, I give up the thirster, as he's more than likely to pop it in a round, and I want the chicken alive. The list is food for thought. I'm still debating scrapping the end times completely, and going with the standard setup.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

With the two marching fliers, I think I can dodge the terrorgheists. I will admit that is solely dependent on the deployment, and movement. If my opponent swings them round each flank(which is normally a good move) then they each eat a combat beast. If he sticks them together, I give up the thirster, as he's more than likely to pop it in a round, and I want the chicken alive. The list is food for thought. I'm still debating scrapping the end times completely, and going with the standard setup.

20" fly with 8" shoot makes it impossible to dodge if you want to ever get into combat. Swinging around each flank is bad; you can't march if you are out of the flanks. I'd run them behind Nagash and leap out at threats that closed within that 28" threat bubble.
As a vc player, I'd trade both Terrorgheists for killing off either greater daemon. As a VC player, I also know that the biggest weakness to the Terrorghiest is that freak'n huge base. If you can scatter enough units around, you can bubble wrap the greater daemons, making it impossible to land within 8" and still be 1" away.
Of course, being able to scream into combat also means that if you do get the double charge off, all I need to do is survive the first round (which I'm likely to do), and then scream in to finish off the wounded daemon (or the one waiting in line).
Against such a low model count army, I'd be summoning additional terrorghiests (unless I'm limited by models, which I own 3 T-ghiests).

Is it possible to fit both greater daemons and the cannons/soul grinder in?

 HawaiiMatt wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:

With the two marching fliers, I think I can dodge the terrorgheists. I will admit that is solely dependent on the deployment, and movement. If my opponent swings them round each flank(which is normally a good move) then they each eat a combat beast. If he sticks them together, I give up the thirster, as he's more than likely to pop it in a round, and I want the chicken alive. The list is food for thought. I'm still debating scrapping the end times completely, and going with the standard setup.

20" fly with 8" shoot makes it impossible to dodge if you want to ever get into combat. Swinging around each flank is bad; you can't march if you are out of the flanks. I'd run them behind Nagash and leap out at threats that closed within that 28" threat bubble.
As a vc player, I'd trade both Terrorgheists for killing off either greater daemon. As a VC player, I also know that the biggest weakness to the Terrorghiest is that freak'n huge base. If you can scatter enough units around, you can bubble wrap the greater daemons, making it impossible to land within 8" and still be 1" away.
Of course, being able to scream into combat also means that if you do get the double charge off, all I need to do is survive the first round (which I'm likely to do), and then scream in to finish off the wounded daemon (or the one waiting in line).
Against such a low model count army, I'd be summoning additional terrorghiests (unless I'm limited by models, which I own 3 T-ghiests).

Is it possible to fit both greater daemons and the cannons/soul grinder in?

With the core, I'm on 1800. Cannons are 270.

What about uzhul? 250 points puts him on a jug and heroic killing blow w hatred along with ws init 9 he might just be a hilarious assassin. costs a fraction of all the GD .

 rocksteadygreeny wrote:
What about uzhul? 250 points puts him on a jug and heroic killing blow w hatred along with ws init 9 he might just be a hilarious assassin. costs a fraction of all the GD .

Take him. Good idea.
And the 2 cannons.
And both those greater daemons.