Dark Vengeance 6th edition vs 7th edition?

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**Sir Arun**

Alright guys. I know some of you have the new DV set and some of you have the old one, perhaps a few of you have been able to take a look at both (either through friends or being rich)

In any case, I know that the new DV set comes not only with the Aspiring Champion Vroth Tattersoul (and a sheet containing his rules), but also a remade How to play DV redesigned for 7th edition.

Now my question is - how does playing DV with the new rules and model change game balance?

Does including Vrosh Tattersoul in missions 5 and 6 really help out the CSM?

Is there any other mission specific rules for this guy apart from his own datasheet?

And how much is the balance between the two armies changed with the differences 7th edition brings to the table, such as making the Hellbrute a bit tougher (explodes on 7+), the psychic phase and psychic dice etc. etc.?

Could you play 6th edition DV with Vrosh or would that be imbalanced?

Thanks for your input

**Sir Arun**

Got Vrosh off ebay today. (you can buy him here for very cheap)

I like the fact that he is so cheap and can be taken as HQ...kinda like the Chaos equivalent of a Cadre Fireblade (except suckier).

He has the profile of an Aspiring Champion with an additional wound, but it's his wargear that makes him a cut above the rest for his points: he comes with the rage USR, a combi-melta, power axe and cc-weapon, so that's 3 base S5 attacks and 5 on the charge... all of them AP2. And everytime he kills a character, he gains +1 attack for the rest of the game, Not too bad if you are playing against non-cc armies like Guard, Tau or even vanilla SM if you avoid their HQ chars.

**Ailaros**

Why is balance the most important thing to a 40k starter set?

**morgoth**

If there's a starter set, it should be playable as is, giving a fair chance to both sides, not telling the guy who chose not-the-emperors-favorite: you're fethed bro.

**Murenius**

I'll get one for the cultists anyway, but the rules for the champion sound funny as well. However, Power Axes hit on I1 so I rarely take them on purpose.

**chromedog**

morgoth wrote:
If there's a starter set, it should be playable as is, giving a fair chance to both sides, not telling the guy who chose not-the-emperors-favorite: you're fethed bro.

But none of GW's other starters were EVER balanced (2nd through 6th) - so why would they start now? Balance is for "tourneys" and GW have shown repeatedly over the last few years that they are now all "about forging the narrative". OTHER companies might use the "balance" thing - but it's really not GW's "bag".

**locarno24**

Hmmm... Didn't know Vrosh was anything but a member of the chosen squad. That makes him.... interesting.

I'm not sure exactly what I'd use him for. Yes, he's a cheap HQ, which is good, but then (a) he's no cheaper than a chaos sorceror, (b) chaos space marines don't really need a cheap HQ as their HQ choices are some of the best things in the codex, and (c) when your guy has to come out and fight challenges wherever possible, buying a budget HQ isn't a great idea (especially when arming him with one of the worst weapons for a challenge).

He's not bad, and the fact that he automatically gets +1 attack instead of making a boon roll is easy to keep track of. If he'd still been Fearless it would have been a slam-dunk choice, but Ld9 is fairly so-so.

**morgoth**

chromedog wrote:

But none of GW's other starters were EVER balanced (2nd through 6th) - so why would they start now? Balance is for "tourneys" and GW have shown repeatedly over the last few years that they are now all "about forging the narrative". OTHER companies might use the "balance" thing - but it's really not GW's "bag".

Balance is for games. Any game, all games.

I know GW wants to sell more smurfs, it doesn't change the fact that balance is a desirable property for any game.

**Sir Arun**

Well I personally think that with Vrosh on their side, the Chaos player will fare better in missions 5 and 6 compared to the DA one.

The only thing missing would now be the Interrogator chaplain LE model, but 1) he is very costly and 2) thats another 100+ points on the DA side.

**BoomWolf**

Well, he's helping at the very least. and these 5 S5AP2 attacks on the charge makes the terminators at the very least not rush ot get any close to him.

**Sir Arun**

BoomWolf wrote:
Well, he's helping at the very least. and these 5 S5AP2 attacks on the charge makes the terminators at the very least not rush ot get any close to him.

yeah if the terminator sergeant is down, it would be perfect time for Vrosh to clean them up.