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Hi All,

below is my 1k list which I have recently got a few games out of and enjoying it. However i'm struggling to know what to do to expand it.

Festus

20 WOC FC Halberd, Shield MoN
5 Chaos War hounds
Chariot MoN
5 Knights MoN Ensorcelled weapons


There are so many things I could add, yet I really want to add a second infantry block as I am loath to have just the one - not used to it from previously playing Skaven, High Elves & LM

I was thinking about adding

a level 4 sorcerer MoN
Exalted hero BSB MoN
3 or 4 Dragon Ogres Great Weapons

do I then use the rest of the points to make the knights up to 10 strong or do I add another unit of warriors

what advice do you guys have as I want a strong army that can compete but not to over the top competitive as I want to still have people who want to play against it

cammy wrote:
I was thinking about adding

a level 4 sorcerer MoN
Exalted hero BSB MoN
3 or 4 Dragon Ogres Great Weapons

do I then use the rest of the points to make the knights up to 10 strong or do I add another unit of warriors

Welcome back Cammy, happy to hear you're enjoying the army

I like your additions above, particularly the drogres - running 4+ would be awesome! I'd suggest mounting at least one of those characters and putting them with the knights, then using the rest of your points to boost the knight's numbers up. A clubmate of mine runs this BSB in his Nurgle WoC:

Exalted Hero of Nurgle - BSB, soul feeder, charmed shield, dragonhelm, great weapon, barded daemonic mount

He's a real bruiser who can chop through most anything, and his only real weakness is non-flaming cannonballs. Stick him in 8-10 knights and prepare for glory

- Salvage

Salvage, stop encouraging illegal builds! (Charmed shield and dragonhelm)


Other than that, all the additions can work, though Drogres are a finesse piece.

Thanks Boss Salvage - The list has done quite well in the 8 or so games i have had with it - and all assembled and undercoated ready for painting.

The knights have good hitting power and the Nurgle warriors just seem to grind through most things.

The only army I have come unstuck against was a DE army with 2 bolt throwers and a load of doom fire warlocks and some other stuff.

I want to use gorebeast chariots and do a whole chariot charge army but they are just to slow to keep up.

I live the Drogres models and plan on using them as a fast flanking force. Is it really viable though to run just a single block of infantry and they get a lot of magic thrown their way.

Also if i put the BSB in the knights where would I put the Sorcerer Lord? Also would I have enough stuff to take down some hard characters and monsters with this?

 thedarkavenger wrote:
Salvage, stop encouraging illegal builds! (Charmed shield and dragonhelm)

My bad! You can literally see how conflicted I was: I want him to have a c-shield vs cannonballs, but also the d-helm for 1+ rerollable armor and 2+ ward vs searing doom. (In the end I'd go with d-helm )

The thing about the BSB on daemonic mount is that he can go many places: knights, warriors, or by himself even. I'd probably mount the level 4 on a barded steed and give him a magic weapon and put him with 9 knights, run 5-wide. If the BSB joins, they become 6-wide and kill all the things.

Virtually every WoC army now only runs a single unit of warriors, with some kind of secondary unit (often skull crushers) and then lots of monsters, chariots, etc. Warriors are still awesome, they just cost a few points more in the new book, are slow and take a while to paint. Monsters, on the other hand, are fast, 'cheaper' to build in time and money, and promote 'more exciting' play. I do not agree that this makes them better than Warriors, per se.

The list you're looking at has 3 serious blocks: huge tough warrior anvil (covered in hammers), large knight bus with character(s) for hammering (while also being an anvil), and monstrous beast counter-attak / flanking force to act as a more dedicated hammer (but with significant wounds behind it too). So I don't think your list is as center-less as you might feel.

- Salvage

so for the additional 1000 pts

I will be going with

3 Drogres with Gw
3 additional Knights MON Ensorcelled weapons - champion, banner musician

Sorcerer lord - level 4 MoN - Demonic Mount
Exalted Hero BSB MoN - Demonic Mount

which leave me with 171 to equip the Eh and SL and get any banners needed

so this would make the list

SL - Level 4 MoN DM
EH - BSB MoN DM
Festus

20 Warriors - Full Command Halberds MoN
5 Chaos warhounds
1 Chaos Chariot MoN
8 Knights Full Command MoN Ensorcelled weapons
3 Dragon Orgres with Great weapons

so how does this look?

I probably wouldn't put the level 4 on a daemonic mount, as the benefits (+1T, fear, mount attaks) don't really outweigh the costs (no LOS! against artillery). A barded mount gets him to 2+ armor and lets him nestle safely amongst the knights. If you swap him down to a normal pony, use a few points to add a ninth knight in for an even 10 w/ sorcerer (12 w/ BSB).

Otherwise all looks groovy

- Salvage

I forgot about the no LOS.

Im guessing for the BSB its not as much of an issue.

I will put him on a steed - is barding needed?

Also how would you kit out the characters. I dint have either book on me atm, but trying to think is there anyway of getting a heroic killing blow into the list?

There is no option for an unbarded chaos steed. As for HKB, I don't believe so.

My BSB horseman has a halberd, helm of Many eyes, dawnstone and poisonous slime. ASF on his initiative is awesome, and being a BSB means that he rerolls the stupidity. Plus he has a 1+ rerollable armour save, hasn't left me down yet.

Clubmate of mine uses:

Exalted Hero of Nurgle - BSB, soul feeder; dawnstone, dragonhelm, great weapon, barded daemonic mount

Cannons suck, but otherwise he's got fear, T5, W3, a 1+ rerollable armor, 2+ ward vs fire, -1 to hit in combat, gains wounds back for dishing them out, a bunch of S5 attaks from his mount and is a fakking S7 lumberjack. That happens to reroll LD tests. Cannons do suck though.

(Pro Tip: You can screen this BSB behind your drogres if facing cannons, as the ball will have to pass through an entire drogre before it can hit the hero. With 4 wounds a drogre is particularly good for this assignment )

- Salvage

Deffo look into blightkings the statline for th points is WOW

BAN wrote:
Deffo look into blightkings the statline for th points is WOW

Not a fan of blightkings as they are infantry not MI and at 40 points a pop they cost the same as my Knights which to be honest are a more versatile unit for me. The other unit they could replace is my Dragon Ogres- and i could replace these with 5 Blightkings. However i prefer the Dragon Ogres with Great weapons, they fill an identifiable need in my army that the blightkings dont.

I might consider them and swap them in and out as needed but i cannot see where i would use these instead of my Drogres

Hey Cammy,

Here are a few rumblings concerning your list !

I am kinda hurting to say this but I would really kick the Dragon Ogres from the list. They are nice looking models and I bought 6 when they came out but man do they excel at disappointing the father of decay. It is by far the worst performing unit I used in my WoC lists and by now I expelled them from the army. Maybe with new rules they make a comeback but they need to loose serious points to be of value.

Main problem with them is that they die really really fast. T4 with only a 4+ armor save is not enough at 60-68 points per model. The 4 wounds are nice but they melt away fast to anything but the most core units. Combine that with an initiative of 2 or always strike last and you get a fairly useless unit at a lot of points ;(.

The new blightkings on the other hand have only one real weakness and two slight weaknesses. For one they really react badly to killing blow. So good positioning is necessary in certain games. Another slight anoyance is their vurnability to stomp attacks and getting only 1 supporting attack out of the second rank.

Also you could consider to reach for a Chimera. The Drogers cost you close to 210 points, at 245 points you get a regenerating, flying monster with pretty good offensive potential.

Going a little more diversified you could also get a gorebeast chariot and try to get 2x15 MoN warriors or something similar. I usually run 3 chariots and they perform great most of the time. And the gorebeast one is really hard to shift at T6 and W5.

Some other idea entirely ...
When going for characters I found my favorite setup is usually the unkillable lvl 4 flying Demon Prince of Nurgle and a BSB. The DP is just perfect since he is a monster in CC and a lvl 4 mage in one model.

In the end you really need to like your army though. I for myself do not leave the house without 4x5 hounds and my 3 chariots.

So have fun with your army and I hope my few lines could be of help.