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Well, it looks like, maybe, the Exrah are in trouble.

Especially the Beloved Space Lobster/Cockroach - the Caskuda!

I need some help!

(OK, stop laughing!)

Can someone with the skills photoshop up a banner suitable for signatures to help SAVE THE CASKUDA?

Something riffed off of this:




Thanks!

   
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If no one beats me to it I may take a stab at it, I made the JSA one I am using (even though I don't play JSA, just think it looks cool). Also you could pm tunnelrat, he made all those Dakka Infinity sigs for us.

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I'm happy to let those horrible miniatures die a silent death :p
Even though I like their background, they're really too ugly (and I don't feel they need to be in the game either)

 
   
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IGNORE THE NAYSAYERS!

WE HAVE A BANNER TO RALLY AROUND!

(Thanks Usashi!)





JOIN THE FIGHT!

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Too close to Jersey.

I read this as 'Bugs have feelers too'. Less to the point, maybe, but more accurate.

I have trouble understanding why a simple set of updated profiles for existing bugs cannot be kept. CB gets to save coin on an unprofitable range of models, current owners aren't left holding dead weight. Those saying just proxy them as netrods or what have you aren't really helping. It's a head scratching move on Corvus Belli to be sure.

   
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Rusty Trombone wrote:
I read this as 'Bugs have feelers too'. Less to the point, maybe, but more accurate.

Ahaha!

Any word from Koni? I'm hoping for an Official statement on this actually as clearly it's an issue with repercussions for many loyal players. I'm betting it's part of a greater plan though, I don't think they'd dump on the fans like this.

   
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He hasn't replied to my PM yet...

   
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Gathering the Informations.

 Alpharius wrote:
He hasn't replied to my PM yet...

I doubt he will.

As it stands, most people are planning on using the bugs as proxies.
   
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The problem with that is the Caskuda is huge, and won't really serve as a proxy for anything!

I guess this is not as big an issue with the whole upcoming silhouette N3 thing, but it still feels like an inelegant solution...

   
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Gathering the Informations.

People are planning on the Caskuda being a stand-in for an Avatar.
   
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I kind of like using the Avatar as an Avatar...


   
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Too close to Jersey.

Maybe the artwork for the Bolts' drop bears was simply a placeholder. Drop bugs anyone?
   
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If the squat the Caskuda I will absolutely use mine as a proxy for Bolt Pandas!!!

   
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Gathering the Informations.

The Bolt had a mine launcher called "Dropbear", not Fast Pandas which we have been told are currently exclusive to Interventors.
   
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Too close to Jersey.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The Bolt had a mine launcher called "Dropbear", not Fast Pandas which we have been told are currently exclusive to Interventors.


No longer relevant now that the bugs have taken over. The Iskallers makes for a scarier appearing crazy koala, too.

   
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As someone who didn't buy any Exrah, there's a reason why. When I look at CA, I don't look at mixing races. The fluff even says that rarely happens, and they generally keep to their own combat groups. More than any other faction, it seems the Combined Army players feel the same way and treat each sectorial as its own army.

I really liked the Exrah. I think the models are quite fine - they just need a more organic paint scheme that's coherent across them to tie them together. I initially didn't even realize the Iskaller, Void and Vector Operators were the same race as the Caskuda due to the incoherent painting.

When I set about putting a list with them together, there was one glaring problem - there's too few units. There's two very specialised medium infantry, an expensive AD unit and one of the most expensive TAGs in the game. They're all great units, but they didn't make a list. You need standard light and medium infantry in there too to bulk out a list.

Basically, Corvus Belli set the Exrah up to fail themselves. First by not having a clear direction for their paint scheme, then by not actually adding one or two new units that would get people to start looking at them as a range of units to base a list around, rather than as a few units to sprinkle into a mixed CA force. And it's really a shame that they're happy to simply drop them rather than actually figure out what they did wrong and try to fix it.
   
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 -Loki- wrote:
As someone who didn't buy any Exrah, there's a reason why. When I look at CA, I don't look at mixing races. The fluff even says that rarely happens, and they generally keep to their own combat groups. More than any other faction, it seems the Combined Army players feel the same way and treat each sectorial as its own army.


As one of the Combined Army players who happens to feel completely opposite than how you do, I'd like to thank you for identifying yourself as part of the problem.

If a person wanted to, they could trace over the various GenCon presentations, a story where:
1. The original Combined Army starter didn't sell as well as the sectorials because "it didn't look like an [cohesive] army"
2. The Exrah didn't sell well for aesthetic reasons
3. The Exrah models were more expensive and difficult to produce due to complexity

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 -Loki- wrote:


I really liked the Exrah. I think the models are quite fine - they just need a more organic paint scheme that's coherent across them to tie them together. I initially didn't even realize the Iskaller, Void and Vector Operators were the same race as the Caskuda due to the incoherent painting.

When I set about putting a list with them together, there was one glaring problem - there's too few units. There's two very specialised medium infantry, an expensive AD unit and one of the most expensive TAGs in the game. They're all great units, but they didn't make a list. You need standard light and medium infantry in there too to bulk out a list.

Basically, Corvus Belli set the Exrah up to fail themselves. First by not having a clear direction for their paint scheme, then by not actually adding one or two new units that would get people to start looking at them as a range of units to base a list around, rather than as a few units to sprinkle into a mixed CA force. And it's really a shame that they're happy to simply drop them rather than actually figure out what they did wrong and try to fix it.


Thats why i've painted mine all the same colour. I think the models are already sufficiently different that you can tell they are not Morat or Shasvastii.

Before Human Sphere Exrah actually had as many units in the generic list as Morats and more than Shasvastii. But taking lots of them in a generic list was difficult due to their basic points costs (~30 points for a combi load out) and the higher costs of units in CA in general. You could still fir one or two in but it would be at the expense of other units, or more orders.

The writing was already on the wall for Exrah when Human Sphere came out i think. Morats and Shas got all the new units and new re-designed models and Exrah got nothing. The other units that came out with HS probably made it easier to take Exrah in a vanilla CA list (seed soldiers, imetrons cheaper EI Lts etc ) but then they were also in direct competion with newer profiles with newly released models (rasyats for AD troops and yaogats for MI MSV2).

I think CBs treatment of the Exrah is pretty disappointing especially when you compare it with something like the Mk12 Wulver. I'd be interested to see what the sales figures were for the original Mk 12 Wulver sculpt compared to Exrah. I'm pretty sure at the time it came it was confirmed that it wasn't selling very well. Did CB give up and delete the entire unit? No, they discontinued the original and re-sculpted it. And based on Cho-konnits split box threads its one of the most popular models in the new Wulver box set. Same goes for the Minutemen models. Massive number of profiles for the unit with a single model, which i doubt is a very big seller and i can't remeber the last time (or even first time!) that i have seen one pop up in anyone's Ariadna army lists. Have CB just given up and deleted the profile? No they haven't and i think its a pretty safe bet they will get a re-sculpt (possibly even a box set) when the USAriadna sectorial comes out.



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Okay, I'm going to say something absolutely mental that I've been thinking about but please take it with a pinch bucket of salt. No angry mobs congregating outside of my castle, please. I'm fearful of fire you see.

(N2, p93) The Exrah Concordat wrote:Concordat members come from an alien race, called the Exrah, hailing from a planet with elevated levels of radiation. It is not known if the causes of the intense radioactivity are natural or artificial, the result of a military catastrophe. Exrah physiology has adapted to the toxic and radioactive ambient of their planet by developing a keratinous epidermis that is able to withstand their radioactive environment. The epidermis characterises the Exrah, who still have not finished their current evolutionary phase. There still is dimorphism in the Exrah anatomy, with two typologies clearly differentiated.



Are you ready for the truth?

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So...you think there's a NEW Exrah evolution (and new models to match) on the horizon?

Maybe in Acheron Falls?

I still want my Space Lobster to have an N3 profile!

Also, apparently I need to get out more:

http://infinitytheforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/24174-lets-save-the-caskuda/

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I'm just one crazy dude who is connecting the way Exrah have evolved with the genetic engineering the Tohaa seem to have a hard on for.

Whether that's even worth considering is for saner minds to decide.

   
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From that thread:

john_b
Posted 02 September 2014 - 07:31 AM
At the NOVA Open Gutier said that even if no new exrah models are released they'll keep the profiles for the existing ones.



Todd
It seemed like they simply had no future plans for them at all, aside form letting them be. No new models, and no plans to get rid of the old ones or their profiles. He did mention the bit of Exrah fluff from Paradiso as being a reference/hint as to their minimized presence going forward


Anyone know this 'hint' in Paradiso?

Kan?

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More digging reveals, I think, that the Exrah are pretty much gone for good.

CB pulled a mini-GW and Squatted a race within a race.

Not cool...

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Gathering the Informations.

I legitimately could not find any mention of the Exrah in the Campaign: Paradiso book.

Only thing I can think of is this line from page 69:
This new offensive of the Combined Army will require more military resources. Those resources will be diverted from the frontlines established in our territory, loosening the pressure on our race and giving our organization more time to develop our plans. It will also force humans to greatly rely on the military and technological aid from the Trinomial, which will allow us to exercise greater control and influence over them.

Our conspiracy, the Crossroads of Paradiso, has been completed with rousing success. The scenario is now set for the second phase of our plans. We await further instructions.

-Progress report of the Triumvirate's supervision unit deployed to Paradiso. Encrypted transmission, destination unknown.



Which, incidentally, I think is what the whole "Are You Ready For the Truth" thing is about since the whole Combined v. Human Sphere battle for Paradiso was essentially engineered by the Tohaa Triumvirate, a shadow government that is reputed by the Tohaa to be the real power in charge of the Tohaa Trinomial.

The goal was to drive the Combined Army against a new foe and for the Tohaa to gain a new set of cat's paws in their war against the Combined Army.
   
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I see this was already linked on the official forum thread, but we've been discussing it with the local group and it seems pretty final:

http://infinitytheforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/25137-discontinued-list-of-discontinued-references-q4-2014/

Can't say I'm too broken up over it although it would've been nice for just the TAG to stick around as an homage, as it's so much better than the Avatar TAG for Combined!

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Alpharius wrote:

More digging reveals, I think, that the Exrah are pretty much gone for good.

CB pulled a mini-GW and Squatted a race within a race.

Not cool...



Yes, we know...

   
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I had hoped they'd changed their mind in the end. I don't like the miniatures but conceptually they make awesome and rather classy antagonists. I had a discussion about this with a friend who plays CA, he too was kinda blue the bugs aren't getting redone and other concepts are being pursued.

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I suppose there's some small chance that CB might still release profiles for the existing Exrah minis for N3.

Most likely not probable, but still possible.

I hope!

   
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 Alpharius wrote:
I suppose there's some small chance that CB might still release profiles for the existing Exrah minis for N3.

Most likely not probable, but still possible.

I hope!


Yeah, an online only set of profiles would be nice. It wouldn't cost them money or goodwill, either. Win/win!
   
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I think a set of non-ITS legal profiles (since the models are not available anymore, making them ITS legal would cause a lot of complaints from newer players who can't get them) would be a nice gesture to those that already have the models.

That being said, it would also be comething pushed to the back burner since there's plenty of stuff they need to do even post launch of N3, and they'd still need to thoroughly playtest those rules.

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Hiding behind terrain

I feel bad to see the space lobster going. I kinda liked the look of it although I had no plan to run a combined army since I just started Nomad and PanO with the Icestorm box.
Im of the opinion that you can't have a scifi setting without some form of alien bugs.

Another model I just noticed on the removal list is what I think is the "flasher" moira SCCW + MR I was eyeing off. :(
   
 
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