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I took a look at my 4th ed rulebook today.

Remember when GW taught us how to paint in their rulebooks?
Remember when rulebooks cost $30?
Remember when GW recommended painting models in batches?
Remember when GW showed us how to make terrain instead of saying "RoB lel"
Remember when there was no Overwatch?
Remember when CC was good?
Remember when Rulebooks included showcases of fan and developer armies?
Remember when GW gave us free Bunker and Ruin templates we could scan and trace?
Remember when campaign running strategies were part of the Rulebook?
Remember when there was individual model XP in campaigns?
Remember when Golden Demon winning models and conversions were in the back of the rulebook?
Remember when Serpent Shield was represented by giving Wave Serpents AV14?
Remember when free templates were included with the Rulebook?
Remember when there were 10 armies?
Remember when community members were honored on the last page?
Remember when GW encouraged playing only one army?
Remember when Codex: Sisters of Battle was the most recent Codex?
Remember when the Grey Knights were in Codex: Daemonhunters?
Remember when a LRMBT cost $35?
Remember when GW did sales?
Remember when the central pic for Space Marines was a Crimson Fist?
Remember when Ordnance Barrages were a thing?
Remember when the player being shot at chose who died?

Be nostalgiac here.

Yes to all. Actually found two 3rd Edition Rulebooks for sale at my local store. Did a double take on them and browsed through the pictures. Everything was so simple then. Simpler times. 40k makes me feel old...

I remember being excited for Codex releases instead of dreading them.

$90 Cadian battleforce got you 20 guardsmen, three HW teams, a Leman Russ and two ruined buildings. Now that was a starter set.

I read though the 3.5 guard dex doctrines section recently and sighed.

Also remember when Grey Knights were fearless and so shiny you couldn't see them? lol

Remember when non Space Marine armies had a selection of special characters test were useful, varied, and flavorful?

I remember when overwatch was an order you gave a squad. It skipped it's own shooting phase and shot in your opponent's movement phase. That's back when terminators had a 3+ save on 2d6 and a lascannon had a -6 armour save mod, transports were literally a death trap, and a walker's legs had different amour than it's arms, which were different from it's body. The box set came with a cardboard square with a picture of an Ork dredd on it. Each race had a different base movement speed and you drew a different mission card than your opponent. Also, weapons like assault cannons and shuriken catapults rolled dice for the amounts of shots they could take and they could jam.

I remember when 40k was about playing the actual game. And not about whining every time gw tried to do something. I remember when I built the lists based solely on the models I had finished and did not care about the next op build only. I remember when if a unit was so broken they removed it and no one whined. I think the problems with 40k is less to do with gw and more with every one having to be a special snowflake.

I was looking through my brothers 4th edition orks codex. Remeber when they use to give advice though they were bad ones( put a tactical squad in a stormraven).

I remember that when I started playing 40k, I was younger.

Now? Now I am older.

*shakes fist at the universe*

Fireraven wrote:
I remember when 40k was about playing the actual game. And not about whining every time gw tried to do something. I remember when I built the lists based solely on the models I had finished and did not care about the next op build only. I remember when if a unit was so broken they removed it and no one whined. I think the problems with 40k is less to do with gw and more with every one having to be a special snowflake.

The good old days

Fireraven wrote:
I remember when 40k was about playing the actual game. And not about whining every time gw tried to do something. I remember when I built the lists based solely on the models I had finished and did not care about the next op build only. I remember when if a unit was so broken they removed it and no one whined. I think the problems with 40k is less to do with gw and more with every one having to be a special snowflake.

I remember when people didn't constantly whine about people discussing 40K in the 40K Discussion forum.

No Joke Kilkrazy I feel the same way.

But to the topic. I remember when Gas was 89 cents a gallon. And you could take 100 dollars to the store and buy a months worth of grocery's and not a weeks.

Petrol has hit a four year low at 125.9 pence per litre in the UK.

There were public protests back in 2007 when the price hit 100 pence per litre for the first time.

I remember when...

... there were rules for AdMech units in the starter box.

... the starter box was a balanced game.

... Space Marine models were small enough to fit in Rhinos.

... Land Raiders could carry Dreadnoughts.

... Life-eater Virus was the only counter to Space Wolf Cyclone Terminator Spam.

... Cyclone Missile Launchers had limited ammunition.

... Gauss Cannons had 72" range.

... standing next to a Necron was enough to make all your equipment stop working.

... Four different models was enough for a full codex release.

... Genestealers had eight attacks and ignored armour.

... The rulebook was two slim softcovers, one of which was just extended fluff and unit/weapon stats.

... a 25% support cap increase was a fair compensation for not being able to take a high-level commander.

... you could take a sergeant as your "warlord" (General).

Verviedi wrote:

Remember when there was no Overwatch?

I remember when there was overwatch.

They wasted space in books showing how to paint poorly and giving bad advice.

I don't miss that...

 Chumbalaya wrote:
I remember being excited for Codex releases instead of dreading them.

I hadn't realized this.....but, oh. so much, this!

I remember thinking; "I am really looking forward to what new stuff the next codex is going to add to my army".
Then, for a period of time, I thought; "I am really pensive about what the incompetent idiots at the Design Studio is going to screw us over with this time"

Now I am thinking;".....I don't care. It is much more fun for me to play X-Wing anyway."

I am not sure which attitude is worse for GW.

Oh and it was perfectly acceptable to take a vortex grenade in a 1000 point game. Also, refractor fields game you a 5++, conversion fields gave you a 4++ but really converted the energy into light and could bling those nearby, a displaced field gave you a 3++ and on a successful save it teleported you d6 inches to avoid the shot.

When they first added the psy powers it was in a huge expansion called Dark Millennium and each discipline had 8 powers I think.


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Oh oh oh oh oh. Hand flamers, flamers and heavy flamers each had their own sized template

OP, you remember 4th Edition?!!!

How old were you when you started?!!

 PhillyT wrote:
They wasted space in books showing how to paint poorly and giving bad advice.

I don't miss that...

Oh, this. Especially the 3rd edition Space Marines codex (first one) where there's a page showing you how to paint the ugliest Ultramarines in the universe.

Remember when you had to waste your time discussing with your opponent about the categories of area terrain?

Remember when you had to roll for that god awfull target priority test?

Remember when your opponent build a melee blender death star unit, which bounced around in between your units, screwing you over the moment the first charge was declared?

Remember when skimmers (mostly Eldars) were near unkillable to the point that it makes the current Wave Serpent look like a frail old man, suffering from brittle bone disease?

Remember Fish of Fury?

Remember when CC was good? Like, it was literally just Fantasy in space, with power swords and bikes for horses. Shooting, immobile armies with lots of rapid fire/heavy weapons was a handicap in the distant future of year 40k and the armies with better CC, was ironically better equipped with better shooting weapons than shooting armies (guns with 'assault' profiles).

Remember when GW made god awfull painting suggestions? Like, the current doesn't even compare. They were literally showing the wrong colors used and explained no other techniques than drybrushing and basecoating.

Remember when 3rd and 4th edition was such a messy game, with external balance that made 6th edition power creep look like a fething balanced game of chess that GW was record low in sales, rumours about selling to Hasbro and doomsday prophecies about how GW was going bankrupt due to the absurdly bad annual report prior to 5th edition release, which famously made GW to turn to help and make War of the Ring in order to bail them out?





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 Thud wrote:

 PhillyT wrote:
They wasted space in books showing how to paint poorly and giving bad advice.

I don't miss that...

Oh, this. Especially the 3rd edition Space Marines codex (first one) where there's a page showing you how to paint the ugliest Ultramarines in the universe.

Also, I second this.

Remember waiting half a decade for your book to be released or some model for it?

Other than cost, pretty much everything is better about the game right now.

Some people are missing the point of 'nostalgia', lol. The whole point is that you remember the good bits and pretend the bad never happened.

Here! *hands out free rose-tinted hindsight glasses*

 Azreal13 wrote:
OP, you remember 4th Edition?!!!

How old were you when you started?!!

9 or 10ish. I remember for a year playing with my brother's models while he was at college, and not owning a codex.

Oh right, my bad!

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Some people are missing the point of 'nostalgia', lol. The whole point is that you remember the good bits and pretend the bad never happened.

Here! *hands out free rose-tinted hindsight glasses*

Ah.. I feel embarrassed then.

In retrospect, I did enjoy my Marines being bad mother fethers who took power weapons galore and hopped into to Rhinos, rushing forward and only used those pesky bolters when you weren't in assault distance. Jesus Christ, I seriously miss being able to charge out of a Rhino.
Also, I miss when I used to able to take power weapons on my sergeants, without people laughing at me. This is mostly due to the fact that I think the Power Fist, in all it's stupid and outrageous glory, is the most awesome power weapon ever. They could even almost always be justified due to the "hidden power weapon" system.

These threads make me think:
Why didn't I start earlier!!!

Verviedi wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
OP, you remember 4th Edition?!!!

How old were you when you started?!!

9 or 10ish. I remember for a year playing with my brother's models while he was at college, and not owning a codex.

Aiya, now I feel old. I started a few months before 3rd came out.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Some people are missing the point of 'nostalgia', lol. The whole point is that you remember the good bits and pretend the bad never happened.

Here! *hands out free rose-tinted hindsight glasses*

There was 4 times as many people playing w40k in my area and small shop tournaments were skiming on 40 people. I wish I could go back to those times.

Then there are fething stupid people like me who didn't see how things were ending and started playing a month or two after 6th came out. Not that I say it's all bad, but... What was I thinking.

Oh well, in a few decades I can look back and feel old too. I don't know how I feel about that, actually.