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2014/10/24 10:09:12
Subject: 40k pros NO CONS
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Long-Range Land Speeder Pilot
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Hi all,
It seems to me that 40k and GW in general are not well liked on this site at the moment.
I started playing few years ago. Since then I’ve bought 3 big rule books and a few codexes. Things change I get that, and I think it helps the game move along etc. That and at the end of the day it's a business. No one cares when Xbox etc release the latest must have games consol at hundreds of pounds etc.
So with all that in mind let’s share what we all like about this games that gets us going.
Me, well I love painting the models and finding ways to incorporate new kits into my existing collecting and using them in conversions. My gaming club (one year old next month) has given me loads of fun using my minis to battle who ever, even when I loose its fun. We even use the old rules from time to time (because we can there is no law that states otherwise)
Thanks for taking two minutes to have read of what I think is my longest post.
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2014/10/24 10:11:41
Subject: 40k pros NO CONS
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For me the lore. Stuff like Warmachine has good lore (for a game), but wh40k is much, much more. For all the inconsistencies is IMO one of the deepest and more original SF universes ever created.
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2014/10/24 10:14:18
Subject: 40k pros NO CONS
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Long-Range Land Speeder Pilot
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Thats a good point, I do like the back stiores to each charcter let alone race. There has been a lot put into it, and it realy helps you make a army come alive.
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My own chapoter, The Broken Swords. Almost a full company.
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2014/10/24 10:27:32
Subject: 40k pros NO CONS
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao
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The fluff, the models mostly are excellent apart from the odd model (unfortunately the odd models are cropping up more often lately... Anyway positive!) and especially the art, I love the art. I think it was a big part of why I started GW stuff (this was back when they had art on all the boxes, that's what caught my eye).
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2014/10/24 10:35:23
Subject: Re:40k pros NO CONS
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Lieutenant Colonel
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All the 'pros' are not unique to 40k.But are found in table top minature war gaming in general.
The only unique pro of 40k, is the asthetic of 40k, the art and background.(Since GW has stopped supporting the excellent Specialist games at least.)
Everything you listed that is positive in your ' 40k experience' is totally applicable to lots of other games.
However, in my experience the positives of other games/companies go beyond this.
They have careful and considered rule development to enhance game play, and clearly define rules and the type of game play the rules support.
They communicate with the customers openly and honestly to make sure they are developing the game in a way the customers want.
They work with their customers and distributors to enhance the hobby experience for everyone.
They support fan sites that promote their game systems and work with them to make the wider war gaming market a pleasure to engage with.
I hope this reply just focusing on positives, is in the spirit of the OP.
And may explain why some people are puzzled why GW 'market leader' fails to deliver ALL the positives they get elsewhere.
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2014/10/24 10:36:27
Subject: Re:40k pros NO CONS
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Experienced Maneater
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I think the lore and setting is pretty great, if you can ignore the over-the-top stuff of some authors.
The models are really great and the plastic sets (especially the new ones) are high quality and stuffed with extra bits.
7th edition has a nice shooty feel to it and I like that. The mission objectives are also very nice.
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2014/10/24 10:46:21
Subject: 40k pros NO CONS
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Tunneling Trygon
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Space bugs, space robot skeletons, space elves and space Orks. I mean... What more do you need?
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2014/10/24 10:50:57
Subject: 40k pros NO CONS
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Dakka Veteran
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SharkoutofWata wrote:Space bugs, space robot skeletons, space elves and space Orks. I mean... What more do you need?
Space Dwarves obviously
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2014/10/24 11:23:10
Subject: 40k pros NO CONS
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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I, personally, really enjoy all of the fluff-driven lists that people bring to the table when playing.
Or at least I would if that ever happened. Doh
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40k:
8th Edtion: 9405 pts - Varantekh Dynasty |
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2014/10/24 11:27:34
Subject: 40k pros NO CONS
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Boom! Leman Russ Commander
New Zealand
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Well, the fluff is obviously a standout. It's probably my favourite sci-fi setting trumping Star Wars, Dune etc. Yes, don't bother mentioning that it borrows from these, I'm aware, it doesn't change my opinion.
Something I have to tip my hat to, is the quality of the plastic kits. I recently bought a Demolisher tank, the way it's assembled even a rookie modeller can easily have 3 separate setups with this kit, Demolisher, Punisher, and Executioner. Yes, the price could have been a bit lower, but there are plenty of other expensive hobbies I could be indulging in that are far less savoury.
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2014/10/24 11:30:28
Subject: 40k pros NO CONS
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Irked Necron Immortal
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I like 40K for it's mix simplicity and complexity. Simple in terms of the gameplay, complex in the vast variety of things even a single army can field.
Then there's how it works at a larger scale then most games. If both players know what they are doing, you can get through a game where half the board is covered with models relatively quickly. Small scale tactics are often not as important, so you can focus more on larger scale tactics and not have to fiddle with the exact facing on each of your infantry models.
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2014/10/24 11:39:56
Subject: 40k pros NO CONS
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Focus fire and msu spam is not something I would call large scale tactics.
The good thing about w40k, is that it is easier to get second hand models, both official and not, for it. It makes the cost of buying an army almost acceptable, if someone is in to large scale combats with skirmish rules.
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2014/10/24 12:08:39
Subject: 40k pros NO CONS
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Pauper with Promise
Oklahoma, USA
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I really enjoy the overall gameplay of 40k. Yes, there are other games that have a tighter, more balanced game system, but nothing else compares to the cinematic feel of 40k. A lucky shot exploding a rampaging dreadnought, an otherwise insignificant sargent death or glorying a tank and stopping it dead in its tracks. I've had an apocalypse game where a lone chaplain survived being hit from an ork rok from orbit, even though the surrounding squads all bit the dust. This game creates some memorable moments that have really stuck with me over the years.
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2014/10/24 12:22:47
Subject: 40k pros NO CONS
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Road-Raging Blood Angel Biker
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I like 40k because even when a unit sucks I still want to make them to complete my Army. After all you need the bad ones to soak fire from the good ones.
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Some Must Be Told. Others Must Be Shown.
Blood Angels- 15000
Dark Angels-7800
Sisters of Battle- 5000
Space Wolves- 5000 |
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2014/10/24 12:24:06
Subject: 40k pros NO CONS
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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The opportunities to create many different SF themed armies using all kinds of models and conversions.
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2014/10/24 12:26:45
Subject: Re:40k pros NO CONS
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Leutnant
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Backstory vast enough that inconsistencies can be attributed to the vagries of historians over 10K years.
With almost 30 years of development and releases, there's always something 'new', especially for someone just coming into the game (been collecting since just before 7th dropped, and just now adding some Rogue Trader era models).
HUGE backstory for each faction and subfaction. Lots of room in there to model what you want.
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2014/10/24 12:37:13
Subject: 40k pros NO CONS
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Nasty Nob
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I,started playing this to get away from computer games.. my recent high is showing others my crappy grots that look like pro work to untrained eyes.. I have a real hobby.. I can change up my list how I want.. painting makes me happy.. GWs atmosphere is worthy of my daydreams..
I've just started reading the fluff book.. I wish I had an imperial force..I like the fun that xenon are but I want an imperial army to.
I often don't care about the cost.. I am GWs sales base.. I like the experience.. I will play what I like versus any meta and apply a min max gamers mindset to a personality that cares not if I lose so long as something awesome happens.. even if it's to me..
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I am the kinda ork that takes his own washing machine apart, puts new bearings in it, then puts it back together, and it still works. |
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2014/10/24 13:10:43
Subject: 40k pros NO CONS
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Road-Raging Blood Angel Biker
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Oya and the RT era space marines were convicts. Lol that makes the history even more fun.
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Some Must Be Told. Others Must Be Shown.
Blood Angels- 15000
Dark Angels-7800
Sisters of Battle- 5000
Space Wolves- 5000 |
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2014/10/24 13:13:38
Subject: 40k pros NO CONS
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
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For me the fluff is the only thing that keeps me looking at the game, although all of the cons thus far have stopped me from actually taking the plunge again.
Fluff though is bar none, same with the feel of customizing your army; that's one thing I don't get from Warmachine. In 40k I can make my own commander, customize him, create his background and stories with him. My entire army can have its own identity unique from anyone else.
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2014/10/24 13:26:53
Subject: 40k pros NO CONS
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Hey guys, I keep seeing references to space robots, either in posts or avatars/names/titles.
The thread title specifically says, NO CRONS.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2014/10/24 13:49:24
Subject: 40k pros NO CONS
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FOW Player
Frisco, TX
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While I don't play it much now, I do still love 40k and wish somebody would save it. I've made some of my best friends in his hobby, I still like my minis (especially my looted tanks, even if I can't legally use them) and playing the game with a good set of modifications (Nova Narrative) can still be fun.
What I like most about 40k right now, though, is that it gets more people playing X-Wing
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Nova 2012: Narrative Protagonist
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Nova 2013: Narrative Protagonist
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2014/10/24 14:25:30
Subject: 40k pros NO CONS
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Stealthy Grot Snipa
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Fluff and the tournament community.
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"The Emporer is a rouge trader."
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2014/10/24 14:34:44
Subject: 40k pros NO CONS
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Dakka Veteran
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LordBlades wrote:For me the lore. Stuff like Warmachine has good lore (for a game), but wh40k is much, much more. For all the inconsistencies is IMO one of the deepest and more original SF universes ever created.
While 40k universe has not a single bit that is original, they put together an insane amount of ripoffs and it turned out to be a really cool universe. There is literally no original idea here, but the end result is awesome.
Also the art, for me it's John Blanche, and a couple of other artist, mostly in 2nd ed chaos codex that got me into the hobby (that was a time when minis were ugly as hell, but I was young and still loved them).
Just look at this ugly piece of plastic http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2012/6/17/378178_sm-Chaos,%20Chaos%20Space%20Marines,%20Khorne,%20Khorne%20Berzerker,%20Out%20Of%20Production.JPG and compare it to the drawn art goodness from the same time: http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f262/SGM-Daly91/Warhammer%2040K/WorldEaterTerminatorArmor.jpg. Not to mention the old rhino http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=2970&d=1349302519, it will just make you cry.
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2014/10/24 14:37:43
Subject: 40k pros NO CONS
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Death-Dealing Devastator
Essex, UK
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The universe is THE BEST!
The models are brilliant.
There is a large community so finding people to 'hobby' with is easy.
7th edition is better than 5th and 6th as a competitive endeavour if you dont want to just play one thing.
I find modified forms of Maelstrom as used by the ETC and UK GT circuit to be great fun.
And the universe is THE BEST!
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2014/10/24 14:39:15
Subject: 40k pros NO CONS
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Cosmic Joe
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Zsolt wrote:LordBlades wrote:For me the lore. Stuff like Warmachine has good lore (for a game), but wh40k is much, much more. For all the inconsistencies is IMO one of the deepest and more original SF universes ever created.
While 40k universe has not a single bit that is original, they put together an insane amount of ripoffs and it turned out to be a really cool universe. There is literally no original idea here, but the end result is awesome.
Also the art, for me it's John Blanche, and a couple of other artist, mostly in 2nd ed chaos codex that got me into the hobby (that was a time when minis were ugly as hell, but I was young and still loved them).
Just look at this ugly piece of plastic http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2012/6/17/378178_sm-Chaos,%20Chaos%20Space%20Marines,%20Khorne,%20Khorne%20Berzerker,%20Out%20Of%20Production.JPG and compare it to the drawn art goodness from the same time: http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f262/SGM-Daly91/Warhammer%2040K/WorldEaterTerminatorArmor.jpg. Not to mention the old rhino http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=2970&d=1349302519, it will just make you cry.
Hey! I had 20 of those old Khorne 'zerkers.
And I had a T-shirt with that Chaos termie.
And my SOB army still had an old immolator with that old rhino design.
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2014/10/24 14:40:53
Subject: 40k pros NO CONS
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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40K pro, and no cons?
Ok then:
The RPG's exist.
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2014/10/24 14:47:35
Subject: 40k pros NO CONS
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Bonkers Buggy Driver with Rockets
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Guns like the Shokk Attack Gunn. The random destruction and mayhem is entertaining!
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For the guy who leaves it all on the field (because he doesn't pick up after the game).
Keep on rolling |
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2014/10/24 14:56:59
Subject: 40k pros NO CONS
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Prophetic Blood Angel Librarian
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Here is one that I don't think anyone has mentioned. And it's probably the biggest pro of all.
In Britain (not sure about other countries), unlike other table top wargames, you can find 40k players wherever you go. There is such a large customer base, that if you put any effort in what so ever, it is very easy to find a game. Not so with other wargames.
This means your investment in models is not wasted. It means your time assembling and painting is not wasted. And it means your time you have dedicated to getting engrossed in the fluff and army building is not wasted.
Yes you may start playing Infinity or Hordes with friends, but what if you move? It is far easier to find other 40k players in your new local than it is to find other wargamers. And if you are truely stuck - there is a huge chain of shops to meet such people if needed. Automatically Appended Next Post: You could invent the best most fluid ruleset ever made, you could use top end 3D printers to print insanely good models, you could write fluff that blows all other sci-fi out of the water. But if you can't find other players to play such a game - its not worth the time and effort. 40k will never struggle in this regard.
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2014/10/24 15:15:59
Subject: 40k pros NO CONS
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Cosmic Joe
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Poly Ranger wrote:Here is one that I don't think anyone has mentioned. And it's probably the biggest pro of all.
In Britain (not sure about other countries), unlike other table top wargames, you can find 40k players wherever you go. There is such a large customer base, that if you put any effort in what so ever, it is very easy to find a game. Not so with other wargames.
This means your investment in models is not wasted. It means your time assembling and painting is not wasted. And it means your time you have dedicated to getting engrossed in the fluff and army building is not wasted.
Yes you may start playing Infinity or Hordes with friends, but what if you move? It is far easier to find other 40k players in your new local than it is to find other wargamers. And if you are truely stuck - there is a huge chain of shops to meet such people if needed.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
You could invent the best most fluid ruleset ever made, you could use top end 3D printers to print insanely good models, you could write fluff that blows all other sci-fi out of the water. But if you can't find other players to play such a game - its not worth the time and effort. 40k will never struggle in this regard.
While still true, it's growing less true every year. In America independent stores are far more common than GW stores so its easier to find people playing alternate games wherever you go.
Case in point. When I moved to Utah, I found three stores right off the bat that had 40k, but they also had games of FOW, WMH and Maliefaux going on.
In England it may be more difficult.
And if the game is so amazing, then yes, it is worth the time and effort. Why settle for a crap game when you can work a little harder and get a great one? There are ways to build communities of alternate games in your area. It's just about the willingness. In my area I've started a local WMH FB page so players can get on-line and set up games.
Be the change you want to see.
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2014/10/24 17:52:31
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Fireknife Shas'el
Lisbon, Portugal
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AlexRae wrote:The universe is THE BEST!
The models are brilliant.
There is a large community so finding people to 'hobby' with is easy.
7th edition is better than 5th and 6th as a competitive endeavour if you dont want to just play one thing.
I find modified forms of Maelstrom as used by the ETC and UK GT circuit to be great fun.
And the universe is THE BEST!
Heh, I like this guy. Same opinion here (well, aside the large community in Brazil, but i don't live in the cities with clubs just friends)
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