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I want it to be Skaven, and I am seeing 50/50 on either Skaven or Elf alliance....


Either way, what are YOU guys wanting? new lords, new units, what kind of fluff will be added?


Personally, I want to see a Horned Rat model for Skaven

Well the Skaven really don't have anyone to align with so I am thinking and elf alliance, also I have read rumors that the third book will be called Khaine so that make me think it will focus on the elves but I also have heard it will also have a focus on the Skaven... so maybe a Skaven invasion of Ulthuan.

I did hear rumors of Slaanesh dark elves in the second book but I don't think that's happening so maybe they will be in the third book, For lords I think we will see a new Teclis on a dragon, a new Tyrion a new Malekith on black dragon and new Morathi. For new lords not sure but the way it seems to be is to introduce new lords on large mounts that cost over 500 points.
For the Skaven I'm thinking new Thanqual and new plague furnace/screaming bell. As from new lord they don't rally have a lot of mounts to use but forge world does have a giant rat called a Brood Horror so maybe a new lord riding one of those. I don't rally see a model for the Horned rat but maybe a new big named Vermin lord instead.

Pox Rat cavalry would make me happy. And always some more Eshin and Skyrye toys and units.

I couldn't see High Elves working with Dark Elves, even to stop negash or chaos, Teclis and Tyrion dont really get along with malekith, not everything needs to team up so I imagine skavan could be next or maybe like the human realm of empire and brittonia. could be anything really.

 ChaosxVoid wrote:
I couldn't see High Elves working with Dark Elves, even to stop negash or chaos, Teclis and Tyrion dont really get along with malekith.

Except...

alex87 wrote:

 ChaosxVoid wrote:
I couldn't see High Elves working with Dark Elves, even to stop negash or chaos, Teclis and Tyrion dont really get along with malekith.

Except...

Spoiler:

It has already been heavily implied that Teclis and Malekith are working together to some end in Book 1 of The End Times...

Fixed your spoiler for you

But you are correct. I'd love to see elves allied together. by which I mean I don't because the amount of gak that can be broken by combining the 3 would be redonculous.

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:
Fixed your spoiler for you

Ahh, good catch

alex87 wrote:

 ChaosxVoid wrote:
I couldn't see High Elves working with Dark Elves, even to stop negash or chaos, Teclis and Tyrion dont really get along with malekith.

Except...

Spoiler:

It has already been heavily implied that Tyrion and Malekith are working together to some end in Book 1 of The End Times...

Daaayarn really, I wasn't able to read the first book at all, that could be cool as heck then.

I am hoping for Skaven but like others have said they aren't going to align themselves with anyone.
They will be in the end times tho because didn't they destroy a big city already?

They will rise up and try and take over (which will probably fail let's be honest its skaven lol) and if they do get a book it will probably have a new vermin lord model.
I'm not sure what others models they could come up with but I doubt they will release any eshin models (just my opinion)

As long as skaven eventually get a book and get a big giant nice plastic vermin lord model I'd be happy. Not like I'd ever use the vermin lord model but still I am tempted to buy the exalted vermin lord from forge world so we will see what gw comes up with lol

All day at work today I was wondering what the elves could get that was massive, and my wishes say khaine (i know the blood coven thing has a khaine lookin thing, what do you guys think, for any army really it seems everyone's gonna get something huge

 ChaosxVoid wrote:
All day at work today I was wondering what the elves could get that was massive, and my wishes say khaine (i know the blood coven thing has a khaine lookin thing, what do you guys think, for any army really it seems everyone's gonna get something huge

If it's HE centric, I'd expect either a massive Dragon (think something the size of Indraugnir, Anaerion's dragon) that's woken for the final throwdown, or perhaps a large flying Warship, like the Skycutter but a full-on battleship version. Failing that, I imagine there will probably be a dual/triple kit that updates any two+ of Tyrion/Teclis/Malekith/Morathi on Dragons.

 Paradigm wrote:

 ChaosxVoid wrote:
All day at work today I was wondering what the elves could get that was massive, and my wishes say khaine (i know the blood coven thing has a khaine lookin thing, what do you guys think, for any army really it seems everyone's gonna get something huge

If it's HE centric, I'd expect either a massive Dragon (think something the size of Indraugnir, Anaerion's dragon) that's woken for the final throwdown, or perhaps a large flying Warship, like the Skycutter but a full-on battleship version. Failing that, I imagine there will probably be a dual/triple kit that updates any two+ of Tyrion/Teclis/Malekith/Morathi on Dragons.

Dude, you know how cool a warship would be! though a huge dragon too would be cool as much as I like tyrion and teclis I'm hoping for more "generic" big things, cant wait for what the future will hold, now excuse me while I dream of a magical khaine character lol

I am curious, even though it would be completely absurd.... what if they did Skaven & Lizardmen?

 ChaosxVoid wrote:


Dude, you know how cool a warship would be! though a huge dragon too would be cool as much as I like tyrion and teclis I'm hoping for more "generic" big things, cant wait for what the future will hold, now excuse me while I dream of a magical khaine character lol

It'll be a dual-purpose kit that will make either the new Ariel/Everqueen conglomorate entity or a feminine Avatar of Khaine in his aspect as the Prophet of Doom / Beansidhe.

Then the Morgoth-equivalent will make either Naieth on Thandalor, Teclis on a Super-phoenix, or Morathi on some Naggarothi equivalent.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 ChaosxVoid wrote:


Dude, you know how cool a warship would be! though a huge dragon too would be cool as much as I like tyrion and teclis I'm hoping for more "generic" big things, cant wait for what the future will hold, now excuse me while I dream of a magical khaine character lol

It'll be a dual-purpose kit that will make either the new Ariel/Everqueen conglomorate entity or a feminine Avatar of Khaine in his aspect as the Prophet of Doom / Beansidhe.

Then the Morgoth-equivalent will make either Naieth on Thandalor, Teclis on a Super-phoenix, or Morathi on some Naggarothi equivalent.

No. You've all got it wrong.

It's a warlock character with loremastery of death and dark, riding a frostheart Phoenix.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 ChaosxVoid wrote:


Dude, you know how cool a warship would be! though a huge dragon too would be cool as much as I like tyrion and teclis I'm hoping for more "generic" big things, cant wait for what the future will hold, now excuse me while I dream of a magical khaine character lol

It'll be a dual-purpose kit that will make either the new Ariel/Everqueen conglomorate entity or a feminine Avatar of Khaine in his aspect as the Prophet of Doom / Beansidhe.

Then the Morgoth-equivalent will make either Naieth on Thandalor, Teclis on a Super-phoenix, or Morathi on some Naggarothi equivalent.

dude! I would absolutely friggin LOVE a feminine avatar all burny and killy good

I'm kind of expecting to see a heavy emphasis on the Sea Helm and Fleetmaster elements of Dark Elves/High Elves.

There keep being hints dropped about "watching for ships on the horizon" and I can easily see them releasing a monstrous mount in the form of a Merwyrm or some kind of Sea Drake for Sea Helms and Fleetmasters, and maybe finally see a boxed set release of Lothern Sea Guard.

As i posted in the main rumour thread i heard the third book will be an elves book called Khaine - with the return of slannesh cults, and khorne invaiding Naggaroth.

what do i want - not to fussed have played Skaven and High Elves before and dont really want to go back there. Me i just want a new Bret book and might then pick them up!

I'm almost positive next book will be End TImes: (Something Appropriately Ratty)


I am hoping that End TImes IV provides us with Elves Undivided in the same vein of Legions of Undeath and Chaos. Because the Haughty High, Dandylion eating Wood, and Sadistic Dark Elf in me will squeal with joy.

I also think that Fateweavers warning to Archaon on the last page of ET:II refers to an elf, and that elf i bet is going to end up wielding the widowmaker. And if that's the case, Captain 3-eyed King should be worried.

This would also make an appropriately disgusting 800-1000 point "thing" for the elves.


What i'm more wondering is 1) when will the other chaos gods get some End Times love, and 2) what about the hodge-podge races - Lizzies, Ogres, etc. Lizzies are apparently beaming up to the mother ship, but i call BS on this, as LM are a well selling army and a uniquely easy to defend IP. Ogres get like a half page mention about half of them marching north, and the others marking west. Interesting to see what they do there.

-- Haight

 Haight wrote:
I'm almost positive next book will be End TImes: (Something Appropriately Ratty)

Actually, I think Skaven won't show up until book IV.

Right now we have Archaon sailing the biggest raiding force that the Empire has seen since the days of Sigmar straight at the combined forces of the Empire and a Bretonnian Errantry Crusade.
Cutting over to Skaven out of nowhere would be kind of silly.

I am hoping that End TImes IV provides us with Elves Undivided in the same vein of Legions of Undeath and Chaos. Because the Haughty High, Dandylion eating Wood, and Sadistic Dark Elf in me will squeal with joy.

You are probably looking at High Elves and Dark Elves, with no Wood Elf involvement...unless we get a book which has some Bretonnia and Athel Loren focus.

Which actually would work continuing out of Glottkin since the Beastmen and the Northerners who survived Altdorf have fled into the Drakwald and are fleeing as fast and as hard as they can.

I also think that Fateweavers warning to Archaon on the last page of ET:II refers to an elf, and that elf i bet is going to end up wielding the widowmaker. And if that's the case, Captain 3-eyed King should be worried.

I would say that Karl Franz does not exactly count as "a man" anymore, wouldn't you?

This would also make an appropriately disgusting 800-1000 point "thing" for the elves.

I'm really not sure what we are going to see for the Elves to be honest.

I could see some "Ascendant" style stats for Teclis, Tyrion, and Malekith. I could also see a really nasty double kit of a Sea Helm and a Fleetmaster mounted on a Merwyrm.

What i'm more wondering is 1) when will the other chaos gods get some End Times love, and 2) what about the hodge-podge races - Lizzies, Ogres, etc. Lizzies are apparently beaming up to the mother ship, but i call BS on this, as LM are a well selling army and a uniquely easy to defend IP.

Lizardmen are in a kind of unique situation. They are uniquely the defenders of the world from the Warp and its denizens...but things have gotten so bad that it might very well be a lost cause for them to even try.

Not to mention that the Lizardmen are probably going to be having to deal with Skaven going crazy under their feet, as the Skaven have gone after Lustria and its temple cities before.
I would not expect to see armies squatted from this though.

I think it's GOT to be "good guys" though, right? I mean, things are looking very grimdark for the Old World right now.

Quite a departure from the old days of GW when Fantasy was funny and goofy, rather than sad and depressing. Thanks a bunch, Game of Thrones.

Unified elves? Yes please. 8 bolt throwers in my fast cav+ Pegasus dark elf list.

I'm not really sure where people get the idea that Skaven will feature a big part in the events of the End Times. From book one onward they're basically just a footnote, much like the Ogres, Orcs n Goblins, Lizardmen, and Dwarves. Book 2 actually had quite a few points where they could have written the Skaven in, they do after all inhabit the space below and have a known presence in several of the cities that Glottkin just wrecked, yet they never popped up in any of them.

Events thus far seem to revolve around Elves, Humans, Chaos, and Undead, and it just so happens that these are the races of 'plurality' in that they all have multiple books/subfactions.

Anyway, fluffwise, we're left with the understanding that the rest of Archaons forces, of which Glottkins force only comprised a small fraction, is headed south. We know for sure that they're headed for the Old World, we also have suggestions from book one that the Elves are facing chaotic incursions in Naggaroth and Ulthuan. We also have a pretty good idea that Nagash is headed north to meet this force in battle, with the Empire/Brettonia basically caught in the middle. We also know that Brettonias military forces are basically spent at this point, and somewhere between 1/4 -1/2 (I forget the precise fraction given in the book) of the Empires population and lands are now gone, in other words - they don't have the capability to resist Archaon, they dont have the capability to resist Nagash, and they sure as hell don't have the capability to resist both at the same time in an epic three way battle.

What I expect is that Book 3 and Book 4 will be roughly parallel stories similar to Book 1/ Book 2 (if I understand the timeline correctly, its basically Book 1 starts -> Book 2 starts -> Book 1 ends -> Book 2 ends, with a pretty significant overlap between the two).

I expect Book 3 will detail Archaons invasion of the Old World, followed by Nagash's counter-invasion, and the desperate battle for survivable fought by the remnants of the Empire and Brettonia, likely featuring some earth-shattering geo-political changes culminating with the union of Brettonia and the Empire into a common kingdom under Emperor Karl Franz (who, you will note, is now effectively a living deity). I would not expect to see a real resolution to the Nagash/Archaon/Human three-way battle however, instead expect to see humans get thoroughly trounced and destroyed in every way imaginable to the point where the continued survival of the human race is at stake. The book will end with the sight of elven sails on the horizon.

I expect to see further rules for non-Nurgle Chaos forces (which is stupid since that means that the Legions list in Book 2 is incomplete), as well as a heavy focus on Empire/Brettonia characters , including a list for the new combined armies of man.

Book 4, I expect, will start at roughly the same time as Book 3, and detail the battles and intrigues of High Elves and Dark Elves in their respective theaters, a major plot twist/revelation and their resulting unholy alliance with one another for survival, their defeat of the chaos invaders and their relief of the remaining humans by way of their combined forces coming to the rescue (as well as bailing out the wood elves in the process).

Rules wise I'd expect a rehash of various elven characters/units, probably a new take on the current dark elf 'establishment' (what did you expect Malekith and Morathi to just roll over and reunite with the others?), and a new list featuring all three elf nations under new management with a likely distinct new flavor to it so that GW can differentiate from other fantasy elves for IP purposes.

I would actually not be surprised to see a 5th book released which ties up some loose ends with the remaining 5 factions. Skaven are a pretty distinct IP, Ogres and Lizardmen are borderline, but the Orcs and Dwarves are generic enough that it might give GW some trouble. Everything indicates they are trying to 'tighten things up' and make things more distinctive where possible, so expect to see some changes here and there. I expect Skaven will remain largely as is, and the remaining 4 will all receive some fluff alterations so that they can be appropriately renamed and slightly restyled as necessary.

I really hope book three combines High, Dark and Wood elves. Seriously would be perfect. I chose WE in the end but looking at DE and HE there's so many cool models. I'd love to do a big elf monster mash army, dragons, hydra, Treemen, Kharibdyss, Eagles, manticores, etc.

I wouldn't be totally shocked if the story is unresolved and they continue it further in 9th edition.

Combined elves just terrifies me. Each is bad enough on their own, but combining all those tool boxes together is just gonna be stupid amounts of broken.

Like I said, if we see "combined Elves"?

I do not think it will be Wood Elves+High Elves+Dark Elves. I think it will just be High Elves and Dark Elves, seeing as how it is Malekith working with Teclis.

Although I guess I could see a second Combined Elves list which is Wood Elves and High Elves, led by Tyrion and the Everqueen...

The one thing I dislike about the combined books is the lack of any negatives to taking the list. You can completely mix any units, any heros, ect. You can combine the best of tk with vc and same for chaos. There really is no drawback for not taking the legions over an individual book. I think there needs to be some kind of penalty to doing so simply because now theres no reason what so ever to take just the vc book or just the WoC book over the legions.

Wishlist:

Dwarven Organ-Gun Blimp model and rules, similar to how Empire received their new toy in Super Saiyan Franz.

Some sort of Naestra and Arahan update, as to me they are the most interesting characters in WFB lore.

Legions of Humanity, of some sort, including Kislev - Bretts - and Empire.

A re-establishment of HE/Dwarf alliances of the past.

A temporary WE/DE alliance.

A rebel skaven warlord, Abraham Sqeakin, issues an emancipation proclamation, and slaves are disallowed in all future skaven armies.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Like I said, if we see "combined Elves"?

I do not think it will be Wood Elves+High Elves+Dark Elves. I think it will just be High Elves and Dark Elves, seeing as how it is Malekith working with Teclis.

Although I guess I could see a second Combined Elves list which is Wood Elves and High Elves, led by Tyrion and the Everqueen...

I disagree, Dark Elves and High Elves are both good sellers, Wood Elves are the weak man in the room and the faction that needs to be propped up the most, ergo it stands to reason that they are the ones that will be combined, if any. The fact that Malekith and Teclis are working together, plus the whole Darkblade plotline leads me to believe that there will be a conjoining of Dark and High Elves as well. The end result of this would be a three way union rather than two two-way unions.

The one thing I dislike about the combined books is the lack of any negatives to taking the list. You can completely mix any units, any heros, ect. You can combine the best of tk with vc and same for chaos. There really is no drawback for not taking the legions over an individual book. I think there needs to be some kind of penalty to doing so simply because now theres no reason what so ever to take just the vc book or just the WoC book over the legions.

I would expect that if and when they get around to updating Fantasy you would see a great rebalancing of the combined forces.

Legions of Humanity, of some sort, including Kislev - Bretts - and Empire.

One could only hope that Kislev would be brought in, although with the revelation that Kislev has ceased to exist it doesn't seem likely. I had hoped we might see a return of the Dogs of War/Regiments of Renown and perhaps some Estalia/Tilea/Araby/Nihon/Cathay/Ind influences, etc. but with the revelation that Estalia and Tilea are now evidently Skaven-land, it seems unlikely as well.