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Made in us
Crazed Spirit of the Defiler






I am thinking of starting a Space Marine army and one of the chapters I like are the Minotaurs. I came up with these lists to help plan my army. It is geared towards killing MEQ as my local meta is Space Marine heavy. C&C welcomed.

1500[
Terminator Captain - 235
Burning Blade, Shield Eternal, Digital Weapon
Tac Squad - 225
10 Marines - Plasma Cannon, Grav Gun, Combi-Plasma, Veteran
Drop Pod
Tac Squad - 235
10 Marines - Multi-Melta, Melta Gun, Combi-Melta, Veteran
Drop Pod- Deathwind Missle Launcher
Scout Squad - 135
Sniper Riflex5, Veteran
Land Speeder Storm- Assault Cannon
Assault Terminators - 200
Vindicator - 140
Siege Shield, Storm Bolter
Stormraven - 205
TL Multi-Melta, TL assault Cannon
Stormtalon - 125
TL Assault Cannon, Skyhammer Missle Launcher

Captain with Termies in Stormraven, Stormtalon escorts onto board.

2000
Lord Asterion Moloc - 235
Chaplain Ivanus Enkomi - 145
Jump Pack
Tac Squad - 225
10 Marines - Plasma Cannon, Grav Gun, Combi-Plasma, Veteran
Drop Pod
Tac Squad - 235
10 Marines - Multi-Melta, Melta Gun, Combi-Melta, Veteran
Drop Pod- Deathwind Missle Launcher
Scout Squad - 135
Sniper Riflex5, Veteran
Land Speeder Storm- Assault Cannon
Assault Terminators - 200
Vindicator - 140
Siege Shield, Storm Bolter
Stormraven - 205
TL Multi-Melta, TL assault Cannon
Stormtalon - 125
TL Assault Cannon, Skyhammer Missle Launcher
Assault Squad - 135
Flamerx2, Grav Pistol, Plasma Pistol
Bike Squad - 220
5 Bikes- Grav Gunx2, Grav Pistol, Melta Bomb, Veteran
Assault Bike- Multi Melta

Mostly the same idea as above but Chaplain goes with assault Squad, Lord Asterion goes with termies, and bikes run around being a nusance.

"Because the Wolves kill cleanly, and we do not. They also kill quickly, and we have never done that, either. They fight, they win, and they stalk back to their ships with their tails held high. If they were ever ordered to destroy another Legion, they would do it by hurling warrior against warrior, seeking to grind their enemies down with the admirable delusions of the 'noble savage'. If we were ever ordered to assault another Legion, we would virus bomb their recruitment worlds; slaughter their serfs and slaves; poison their gene-seed repositories and spend the next dozen decades watching them die slow, humiliating deaths. Night after night, raid after raid, we'd overwhelm stragglers from their fleets and bleach their skulls to hang from our armour, until none remained. But that isn't the quick execution the Emperor needs, is it? The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The Wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always!" —Jago Sevatarion

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Crazed Spirit of the Defiler






No comments yet, so I must have done a banging job. Go Me!

"Because the Wolves kill cleanly, and we do not. They also kill quickly, and we have never done that, either. They fight, they win, and they stalk back to their ships with their tails held high. If they were ever ordered to destroy another Legion, they would do it by hurling warrior against warrior, seeking to grind their enemies down with the admirable delusions of the 'noble savage'. If we were ever ordered to assault another Legion, we would virus bomb their recruitment worlds; slaughter their serfs and slaves; poison their gene-seed repositories and spend the next dozen decades watching them die slow, humiliating deaths. Night after night, raid after raid, we'd overwhelm stragglers from their fleets and bleach their skulls to hang from our armour, until none remained. But that isn't the quick execution the Emperor needs, is it? The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The Wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always!" —Jago Sevatarion

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pretty solid list, termies with a captain leading them can cause some damage, but i'd advise against a plasma cannon in a drop pod, since you can't snap fire blast weapons and coming in from a drop counts as moving, so he's useless the turn he comes in. You could combat squad them in a rhino and disembark him on round 1 or 2. I'd also drop the scouts for another vindicator because it will be a high value target for your enemy

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Decrepit Dakkanaut




Why would you bother with the Terminator Captain? He's exactly the same points as Asterion without any of the bonuses or, in general, being good.
Lose the Assault Cannon on the Storm (Storms aren't durable enough for this weapon to actually be of use) and replace with the Heavy Flamer. NOW you can purchase those Assault Terminators some TH/SS goodness on everyone but the leader.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
Made in us
Crazed Spirit of the Defiler






I used the captain because in the first write up he was more expencive, and kept him because I like the burning blade/shield eternal combo. I will most likely just switch him out for Asterion though. I used the Assault Cannon because of range and for killing light vehicles. I aslo do not want TH/SS because they are geared towards killing marines and I don't want to hit last.

"Because the Wolves kill cleanly, and we do not. They also kill quickly, and we have never done that, either. They fight, they win, and they stalk back to their ships with their tails held high. If they were ever ordered to destroy another Legion, they would do it by hurling warrior against warrior, seeking to grind their enemies down with the admirable delusions of the 'noble savage'. If we were ever ordered to assault another Legion, we would virus bomb their recruitment worlds; slaughter their serfs and slaves; poison their gene-seed repositories and spend the next dozen decades watching them die slow, humiliating deaths. Night after night, raid after raid, we'd overwhelm stragglers from their fleets and bleach their skulls to hang from our armour, until none remained. But that isn't the quick execution the Emperor needs, is it? The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The Wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always!" —Jago Sevatarion

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Made in us
Decrepit Dakkanaut




 Lord Blackscale wrote:
I used the captain because in the first write up he was more expencive, and kept him because I like the burning blade/shield eternal combo. I will most likely just switch him out for Asterion though. I used the Assault Cannon because of range and for killing light vehicles. I aslo do not want TH/SS because they are geared towards killing marines and I don't want to hit last.

Asterion NEEDS to be switched in. You lose out on S7, but in return you get:
1. Awesome Warlord trait and better support overall
2. Better shooting power (Orbital Bombardment and the single shot from the spear)
3. Slightly more durable

The TH/SS is necessary. 5++ is NOT enough to be durable and S4 < S8 for tackling various targets, along with better chances for ID'ing stuff. It's almost not negotiable. If you want Assault Terminators, they NEED that loadout.

Also, Assault Cannons are only 24". You might as well just rush the Storm in with the Flamer instead.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
Made in us
Crazed Spirit of the Defiler






I agree with you on Asterion, but I still think LCs are better against MEQ, as one wound models care not for ID. Still not completely sold on the flamer, but I will consider it. I think I will also look into dropping the scouts in favor of another Vindicator. I do apriciate the input, as I am just returning to the game after about 12 years, and I am curriently playing CSM.

"Because the Wolves kill cleanly, and we do not. They also kill quickly, and we have never done that, either. They fight, they win, and they stalk back to their ships with their tails held high. If they were ever ordered to destroy another Legion, they would do it by hurling warrior against warrior, seeking to grind their enemies down with the admirable delusions of the 'noble savage'. If we were ever ordered to assault another Legion, we would virus bomb their recruitment worlds; slaughter their serfs and slaves; poison their gene-seed repositories and spend the next dozen decades watching them die slow, humiliating deaths. Night after night, raid after raid, we'd overwhelm stragglers from their fleets and bleach their skulls to hang from our armour, until none remained. But that isn't the quick execution the Emperor needs, is it? The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The Wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always!" —Jago Sevatarion

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Made in us
Decrepit Dakkanaut




 Lord Blackscale wrote:
I agree with you on Asterion, but I still think LCs are better against MEQ, as one wound models care not for ID. Still not completely sold on the flamer, but I will consider it. I think I will also look into dropping the scouts in favor of another Vindicator. I do apriciate the input, as I am just returning to the game after about 12 years, and I am curriently playing CSM.

LC's are cute, but durability and hitting more targets effectively is WAY more important. Your squad doesn't fall over to Lascannon and Plasma firepower. AP2 is ridiculously easy to acquire.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
Made in us
Crazed Spirit of the Defiler






I think you may very well have a point. I will try to adjust ,my lists and post them again soon. I just wish they could use SS with other weapons.


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Apon further reflection, nethier "storm" is able to equip flamers. Could you please explain better what you meant?

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"Because the Wolves kill cleanly, and we do not. They also kill quickly, and we have never done that, either. They fight, they win, and they stalk back to their ships with their tails held high. If they were ever ordered to destroy another Legion, they would do it by hurling warrior against warrior, seeking to grind their enemies down with the admirable delusions of the 'noble savage'. If we were ever ordered to assault another Legion, we would virus bomb their recruitment worlds; slaughter their serfs and slaves; poison their gene-seed repositories and spend the next dozen decades watching them die slow, humiliating deaths. Night after night, raid after raid, we'd overwhelm stragglers from their fleets and bleach their skulls to hang from our armour, until none remained. But that isn't the quick execution the Emperor needs, is it? The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The Wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always!" —Jago Sevatarion

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Made in us
Crazed Spirit of the Defiler






O.K. here's my second try at these lists.

1500

Lord Asterion Moloc - 235
Tactical Squad - 225
10 Marines - Grav Gun, Missile Launcher, Combi Plasma, Veteran
Drop Pod
Tactical Squad - 215
10 Marines - Multi Melta, Melta Gun, Combi Melta, Veteran
Drop Pod
Assault Terminators - 220
SS/TH x4
Vindicator - 140
Siege Shield, Storm Bolter
Vindicator - 140
Siege Shield, Storm Bolter
Storm Raven - 200
TL Multi Melta, TL Assault Cannon
Storm Talon
Assault Cannon, Skyhammer Missile Launcher

2000

Lord Asterion Moloc - 235
Chaplain Ivanus Enkomi - 145
Void Hardened Armor
Honor Guard - 260
6 Marines - Relic Blade x5, Thunder Hammer
Tactical Squad - 230
10 Marines - Grav Gun, Lascannon, Combi Plasma, Veteran
Drop Pod
Tactical Squad - 215
10 Marines - Multi Melta, Melta Gun, Combi Metla, Veteran
Drop Pod
Bike Squad - 220
5 Bikes - Grav Gun x2, Grav Pistol, Melta Bomb, Veteran
Assault Terminators - 220
SS/TH x4
Vindicator - 140
Siege Shield, Storm Bolter
Vindicator - 140
Siege Shield, Storm Bolter
Storm Raven - 200
TL Multi Melta, TL Assault Cannon


I'm considering dropping Veteran from the Tactical Sergeants to free up a few points but I'm not sure what to spend it on.

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"Because the Wolves kill cleanly, and we do not. They also kill quickly, and we have never done that, either. They fight, they win, and they stalk back to their ships with their tails held high. If they were ever ordered to destroy another Legion, they would do it by hurling warrior against warrior, seeking to grind their enemies down with the admirable delusions of the 'noble savage'. If we were ever ordered to assault another Legion, we would virus bomb their recruitment worlds; slaughter their serfs and slaves; poison their gene-seed repositories and spend the next dozen decades watching them die slow, humiliating deaths. Night after night, raid after raid, we'd overwhelm stragglers from their fleets and bleach their skulls to hang from our armour, until none remained. But that isn't the quick execution the Emperor needs, is it? The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The Wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always!" —Jago Sevatarion

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Wing Commander






One suggestion I might make which would increase your lethality would be to find 300 points, say the Storm Potato (The talon really is worthless in my experience, gets maybe one turn to shoot something, and assault marines are exceptionally mediocre), and replace it with an Honour Guard in a pod with Enkomi for the 2k list. The unit is kind of a pain in the ass to physically build (if you know any GK players, they're an awesome source for power swords), but the unit's staying power and assault lethality is obscene. Especially useful, as it will force your opponent to focus on either killing the Honour Guard or your Terminator Squad; multiple high-threat units give you redundancy and forces the enemy to react to you.

One strength Marines can bring is a surplus of 2+ armour, take full advantage of it. Backed up by those vindicators, which are an excellent choice, you've got one of the more powerful assault armies out there.

Therefore, I conclude, Valve should announce Half Life 2: Episode 3.
 
   
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Crazed Spirit of the Defiler






Edited 2K list. Still wondering if Veteran is worthwhile on tactical marine sargeants.

"Because the Wolves kill cleanly, and we do not. They also kill quickly, and we have never done that, either. They fight, they win, and they stalk back to their ships with their tails held high. If they were ever ordered to destroy another Legion, they would do it by hurling warrior against warrior, seeking to grind their enemies down with the admirable delusions of the 'noble savage'. If we were ever ordered to assault another Legion, we would virus bomb their recruitment worlds; slaughter their serfs and slaves; poison their gene-seed repositories and spend the next dozen decades watching them die slow, humiliating deaths. Night after night, raid after raid, we'd overwhelm stragglers from their fleets and bleach their skulls to hang from our armour, until none remained. But that isn't the quick execution the Emperor needs, is it? The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The Wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always!" —Jago Sevatarion

DR:80SGMB--I--Pw40k01#-D++++A+/fWD-R++T(T)DM+
 
   
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Wing Commander






For Minotaurs, only if you expect to get into close combat and have them geared to take advantage of the extra attack, but as yours are kitted for shooting, probably not.

That being said, until you've got 20 points you really must spend elsewhere, it's not a horribly investment to gain an extra attack and a slightly better leadership vs thinks like Psychic Shriek (which I loathe) and again, to hold out when you invariably lose combat, as tacticals are pretty terrible in close combat.

In short, no, it's not necessary, nor even critical, but there worse places to spend 20 points.

EDIT: If you can find another 10 elsewhere, 30 points for hurricane bolters on the Storm Raven are actually pretty decent; that's 6 marines worth of firepower, twinlinked, for the price of 2 dudes and a melta bomb, and will give you a little more crowd control in your list, if you're looking for an idea.

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Therefore, I conclude, Valve should announce Half Life 2: Episode 3.
 
   
Made in us
Crazed Spirit of the Defiler






I suppose I could change the biker sargeant's grav pistol to a combi grav and drop the melta bomb.

"Because the Wolves kill cleanly, and we do not. They also kill quickly, and we have never done that, either. They fight, they win, and they stalk back to their ships with their tails held high. If they were ever ordered to destroy another Legion, they would do it by hurling warrior against warrior, seeking to grind their enemies down with the admirable delusions of the 'noble savage'. If we were ever ordered to assault another Legion, we would virus bomb their recruitment worlds; slaughter their serfs and slaves; poison their gene-seed repositories and spend the next dozen decades watching them die slow, humiliating deaths. Night after night, raid after raid, we'd overwhelm stragglers from their fleets and bleach their skulls to hang from our armour, until none remained. But that isn't the quick execution the Emperor needs, is it? The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The Wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always!" —Jago Sevatarion

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 Lord Blackscale wrote:
No comments yet, so I must have done a banging job. Go Me!


Almost no one responds to lists unless they're really terrible or completely open ended.
   
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Crazed Spirit of the Defiler






Which is why I said "Go me". I have never played SM so I was excited I did well.

"Because the Wolves kill cleanly, and we do not. They also kill quickly, and we have never done that, either. They fight, they win, and they stalk back to their ships with their tails held high. If they were ever ordered to destroy another Legion, they would do it by hurling warrior against warrior, seeking to grind their enemies down with the admirable delusions of the 'noble savage'. If we were ever ordered to assault another Legion, we would virus bomb their recruitment worlds; slaughter their serfs and slaves; poison their gene-seed repositories and spend the next dozen decades watching them die slow, humiliating deaths. Night after night, raid after raid, we'd overwhelm stragglers from their fleets and bleach their skulls to hang from our armour, until none remained. But that isn't the quick execution the Emperor needs, is it? The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The Wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always!" —Jago Sevatarion

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Decrepit Dakkanaut




Minotaurs are usually fine on the Morale end, so the Veteran upgrade isn't really necessary. As someone said, there's worse places to spend the points though, but I'd drop them for a full on x5 TH/SS squad (Asterion wants to challenge people, so a Lightning Claw challenge catcher is kinda wasted points) and then replace the Grav Gun on the Tactical squad for a regular Plasma Gun; Salvo sucks on non-Relentless stuff. After that, the 15 points left over can go to various upgrades, like the Launcher upgrade for the Drop Pod with the Melta Tactical Squad.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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Crazed Spirit of the Defiler






Good call Slayer. I tend to shy away from plasma when I can because I don't trust my dice. I do like the deathwind launchers though. The TH/SH thing shoulda been obvious though. D'oh!

"Because the Wolves kill cleanly, and we do not. They also kill quickly, and we have never done that, either. They fight, they win, and they stalk back to their ships with their tails held high. If they were ever ordered to destroy another Legion, they would do it by hurling warrior against warrior, seeking to grind their enemies down with the admirable delusions of the 'noble savage'. If we were ever ordered to assault another Legion, we would virus bomb their recruitment worlds; slaughter their serfs and slaves; poison their gene-seed repositories and spend the next dozen decades watching them die slow, humiliating deaths. Night after night, raid after raid, we'd overwhelm stragglers from their fleets and bleach their skulls to hang from our armour, until none remained. But that isn't the quick execution the Emperor needs, is it? The Wolves go for the throat. We go for the eyes. Then the tongue. Then the hands. Then the feet. Then we skin the crippled remains, and offer it up as an example to any still bearing witness. The Wolves were warriors before they became soldiers. We were murderers first, last, and always!" —Jago Sevatarion

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