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Kickstarter Link: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/298260359/fallen-frontiers-reboot



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Fallen Frontiers
November 6 · Edited
Part 1/3 – Scale

During the last kickstarter there was much confusion regarding the scale of our miniatures, and this time around we want to be crystal clear: the scale of our miniatures is 35mm to the eyes. This means that a 1,80m tall human in a standing pose is 38mm tall from head to sole, which is also known as 1:48 scale (American O scale).

Using this scale allows us to do many things. It allows us to maintain realistic proportions for our miniatures without making them so small that you can’t paint them with ease, or having to bloat the head and hands resulting in cartoonish proportions. It also makes miniatures easier to produce at higher quality and with less miscasts. Finally this scale is only slightly bigger than other manufacturers, allowing you to use all of your existing terrain and storage space with ease.

All of this together means that you get high quality, easy to paint miniatures at a compatible scale, allowing us to give you the best possible hobby experience with Fallen Frontiers.

(Note that some miniatures might be smaller or bigger depending on their pose and race.)


Fallen Frontiers
November 7 · Edited
Greetings once again friends, Here we have 3 of the races next to one another for comparison. In the middle is the Sayx (Human) on the right is an Ares trooper and on the left is a Riff Berserker , the largest Riff we have seen so far in the Fallen Frontiers universe.



Compared to this pic:



Conversation on Facebook:

Fallen Frontiers wrote: Not the same base Artemis and there were no ruler. Because we know someone would complain we put all of them on the same bases.Oh, also apologies if my english is not good enough, im not the CM. This picture was an example of a mistake we did on the last campaign, the angle is not the best and was not clear. This is why we did the picture again with a ruler as some requested. The miniatures will be sized as we always said 35mm to the eyes for humans 38-39 top for troops-characters.

Artemis Black wrote: So that unpainted one is definitely the exact same size as the painted one in the other shot?

Fallen Frontiers wrote: The painted is a 3d print, the other one is a cast. They should be the almost the same.


Fallen Frontiers
19 hours ago
Part 2/3 – Material

Today we wanted to unveil the material for the production of our miniatures. It is a firm decision that the only material we will be using for the production of Fallen Frontiers is Polyurethane Resin.

Here are our reasons for choosing this material:

We can produce the miniatures in our factory in Spain, which allows us to have more control over the quality and the production process in a direct manner. We will not have to rely on a third party for production of our miniatures, and we can deliver a finished product with high quality details. It is easy to handle, has high durability, and a light weight for both playing and painting.

We want to keep the production cost under control, so we don’t need to invest in expensive tooling for plastic casting, allowing us to significantly reduce our funding goal. This means that anything over the funding goal will unlock more stretch goals that give our backers more options for physical rewards.

Scale Games has always strived to produce the very best product in both detail and material, and we feel that the use of polyurethane resin for this project will provide the players and the painters with the best material for the greatest detail and durability.



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18 hours ago · Edited
Hello everyone,

To give you a better look at the miniatures, here is a video showcasing their quality and durability.

(Make sure to watch it in 1080p for maximum quality.)






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Fallen Frontiers FB - "All of our miniatures have been slightly re-sized since the last Kickstarter to closely match their intended proportions between races, which is why we have removed the old scale comparison images to avoid confusion."

Which makes it all a tad more confusing imo as there's now at least 3 different sized minis of the same guy knocking about between 38mm and 43mm tall but at least we're getting a slightly more clear, and honest, picture than the first time around so it's definitely a step forward

So the new Red Ares powersuit is 40mm, that Berserker is about what, 45mm maybe? And the brand new Tarko is 38mm. Shame they removed the Space Marine, he's the most ubiquitous miniature they had in previous comparison shots but this is roughly what the newly shrunken Ares powersuits should look like...

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I'm very stoked for the relaunch, now that they've clarified the material will be polyurethane resin! I will definitely be backing it based on that
   
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 RiTides wrote:
I'm very stoked for the relaunch, now that they've clarified the material will be polyurethane resin! I will definitely be backing it based on that


Indeed, the material was a huge concern last time so stating it clearly up front is another step forward.

Now that they have been clear about it though it's time to wait and see what the pricing structure will be like. Last time it was an interesting source of conversation that funding at 90k had them making like 35 thousand 40mm multipart minis in proper resin not including everything else in the game as they'd priced pretty low for such a product. If they keep that price point again that would make it one of the cheaper ones around and I might pick up some Riff myself.
   
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Those look so good. I love love love that unarmored guy. Great poses sculpting and design. Why why why are they running this so close to Christmas?
   
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 Gallahad wrote:
Those look so good. I love love love that unarmored guy. Great poses sculpting and design. Why why why are they running this so close to Christmas?


That does seem like an odd strategy. I could understand if they were pitching a sale at that time slot because it could be considered a Christmas gift (to oneself), but considering it might be a good many months from cash outlay to seeing actual physical product in hand.....Christmas is not a good time for pledging anything but goodwill

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They may not have had much choice. After the last Kickstarter they've had to have even more sculpting and printing/painting done on the new smaller minis. That's more outlay for no return, plus essentially burning all the previous outlay on the previous stuff.

It's now or, what February maybe? January tends to be people paying off Christmas. Another 3 months of no return on all that cash spent or a Kickstarter in a non-optimum month. Tough call.

From reading the stuff that's come out in the interim it seesm they probably wanted to start sooner than this, but setting up a new shell company in the US to run a dollar-based KS has taken more time than they thought etc. So they've been forced into the above tough choice.
   
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 Artemis Black wrote:
They may not have had much choice. After the last Kickstarter they've had to have even more sculpting and printing/painting done on the new smaller minis. That's more outlay for no return, plus essentially burning all the previous outlay on the previous stuff.

It's now or, what February maybe? January tends to be people paying off Christmas. Another 3 months of no return on all that cash spent or a Kickstarter in a non-optimum month. Tough call.

From reading the stuff that's come out in the interim it seesm they probably wanted to start sooner than this, but setting up a new shell company in the US to run a dollar-based KS has taken more time than they thought etc. So they've been forced into the above tough choice.


Well I guess this might lead to a scaled back project. One thing I thought I noticed (but I might be wrong) is that they're calling it a board game now, as opposed to a tabletop wargame.

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 Gallahad wrote:
Why why why are they running this so close to Christmas?
Oddly based on the numbers, November is actually a good month for Kickstarter dollars. It has always made it harder for me but there are quite a few successful KS with November launches.
   
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 Delephont wrote:
 Artemis Black wrote:
They may not have had much choice. After the last Kickstarter they've had to have even more sculpting and printing/painting done on the new smaller minis. That's more outlay for no return, plus essentially burning all the previous outlay on the previous stuff.

It's now or, what February maybe? January tends to be people paying off Christmas. Another 3 months of no return on all that cash spent or a Kickstarter in a non-optimum month. Tough call.

From reading the stuff that's come out in the interim it seesm they probably wanted to start sooner than this, but setting up a new shell company in the US to run a dollar-based KS has taken more time than they thought etc. So they've been forced into the above tough choice.


Well I guess this might lead to a scaled back project. One thing I thought I noticed (but I might be wrong) is that they're calling it a board game now, as opposed to a tabletop wargame.


You're not wrong, but it's always said that. Just a random choice on FB I think.

It will be interesting to see what they've got going for the pledge levels and army sizes etc though. The last Kickstarters promised 192 figures + 4 vehicles for £370. Which at 40mm+ and multipart and in high quality resin is 'insanely' cheap.
   
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 Delephont wrote:
 Artemis Black wrote:
They may not have had much choice. After the last Kickstarter they've had to have even more sculpting and printing/painting done on the new smaller minis. That's more outlay for no return, plus essentially burning all the previous outlay on the previous stuff.

It's now or, what February maybe? January tends to be people paying off Christmas. Another 3 months of no return on all that cash spent or a Kickstarter in a non-optimum month. Tough call.

From reading the stuff that's come out in the interim it seesm they probably wanted to start sooner than this, but setting up a new shell company in the US to run a dollar-based KS has taken more time than they thought etc. So they've been forced into the above tough choice.


Well I guess this might lead to a scaled back project. One thing I thought I noticed (but I might be wrong) is that they're calling it a board game now, as opposed to a tabletop wargame.


I missed that part!

Not sure how I feel about that yet...

   
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 Delephont wrote:
Well I guess this might lead to a scaled back project. One thing I thought I noticed (but I might be wrong) is that they're calling it a board game now, as opposed to a tabletop wargame.


Where did you read that?
   
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Boardgame or tabletop, if the minis are fairly priced i'd still consider funding.

   
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 OnePageAnon wrote:
 Delephont wrote:
Well I guess this might lead to a scaled back project. One thing I thought I noticed (but I might be wrong) is that they're calling it a board game now, as opposed to a tabletop wargame.


Where did you read that?


It's what they call it on their FB page, but I'm pretty sure it's just a bad choice of title, I haven't read anything about them physically changing the makeup of the game.

It is true that the last time around they were as vague about the game as anything else though, I think they gave an answer to someone asking 'how many minis will we need to play' of something like '15-30' meaning one of those races is worth twice the points of one of the others and yet we haven't seen any equivalent to goblins etc.

I think the gameplay/rules are the last true question to be answered. Despite the confusion surrounding the scales it's more about them using old, even larger minis, for images than what they've said, which is that the Sayx are 38mm and the Ares and Riff are 40mm plus. And the material is resin.

It's an important one too, people buying into it as a game unto itself are a big market as the minis are generally too large to mix with most major sci-fi ranges, and scenery will still be an issue, so the game will have to be solid for gamers to buy in rather than just painters. They have said they've done a lot of work on that aspect though, which they would have to after the pamphlet put out last KS, but they haven't released anythign yet so nothing to get into

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Runnin up on ya.

Price per model is going to be an issue here for me. I can't get anyone around here interested in Deadzone much less yet another game that will sit in my closet.

It's sad really, I love the look of the models but the scale is wrong to use as 40k (generally speaking) and as I said above, I'll have zero chance of getting people to buy a game at this price point when I can't get them to play Deadzone for free with my minis.

Ah well.

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This is a really great start. I'm definitely looking forward to this KS!



I love it when companies that use 3D design remember to make the detail deep enough for a small miniature and not just look right on the screen. If people get miniatures like that in the end, there will be some happy pledgers.

My current plan is to get the Ares guys and put them on 40mm warmachine style bases, but now the Riff are really growing on me. Either way, now that I know they'll be high end resin they're going to get oil paint wet blended like how historical figure painters do their stuff. So even if it ends up being a board game type game, these sculpts are going to deserve the time spent to oil wet blend everything surface. They look great.


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Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better. 
   
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It's what they call it on their FB page, but I'm pretty sure it's just a bad choice of title, I haven't read anything about them physically changing the makeup of the game.


That is because FB only has the option for "Board Game" under the "Brands & Products" section. If you look at the "About" on the left you can see "Short Description: Wargame" and "Products: Wargame y miniaturas". When i was making the FB page for OPR i had the same problem.
   
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 frozenwastes wrote:
This is a really great start. I'm definitely looking forward to this KS!



I love it when companies that use 3D design remember to make the detail deep enough for a small miniature and not just look right on the screen. If people get miniatures like that in the end, there will be some happy pledgers.

My current plan is to get the Ares guys and put them on 40mm warmachine style bases, but now the Riff are really growing on me. Either way, now that I know they'll be high end resin they're going to get oil paint wet blended like how historical figure painters do their stuff. So even if it ends up being a board game type game, these sculpts are going to deserve the time spent to oil wet blend everything surface. They look great.




Quality wise they've always been good (although bear in mind that figure above is the 40mm one) but they have excellent sculptors and I haven't heard anything bad about their resin casting. That was one of the frustrating things for me personally last time around, talent being wasted by whoever was organising the whole shebang. They have paid for some quality paintjobs too, it's all very well presented on that end, I even liked the lil 'shopped gun flashes in the battle pics.

If they have scaled the project down I'd be a lot more confident in their ability to put out the final product in the same quality. You just can't knock out tens of thousands of large scale resin figures for £1.75 each or whatever it was with no experience of such a huge undertaking. If they do just use the same pledge levels though, I'm definitely in
   
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The price is going to have to be way higher. I'm expecting it to be around the $7 per figure range on the lower volume pledges. Considering that their price for a single 75mm Fallen Frontiers resin figure is €45/£35/$56 (plus shipping) I just don't see that many 35mm resin figures being cast for the same amount of mould material, resin and time.

So even if they give a half price equivalent discount and they can get 4 35mm miniatures for the cost of producing a 75mm figure, then we'd still be looking at $7ish per miniature.

So unless they're willing to take much lower margins on thier KS than they are on their retail products, these aren't going to cheap.

Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better. 
   
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$7/£4.50 is still damn cheap for 40mm multipart resin figures of a good standard.

(Still can't bring myself to call them 35mm, that's never gonna happen )

If they use the same profit margin as their 75mm figures you're looking at about $15 a figure. So yeah they're going to have to take a serious profit cut and hope that the bulk makes up for it.

Resis such a weird material for an army style product, it's always been metal or plastic for that and resin for boutique. It will be interesting to watch. Prodos are, I think, the only other ones to go for proper resin for an army product, how's their fulfillment going?
   
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 Artemis Black wrote:
$7/£4.50 is still damn cheap for 40mm multipart resin figures of a good standard.

(Still can't bring myself to call them 35mm, that's never gonna happen )

If they use the same profit margin as their 75mm figures you're looking at about $15 a figure. So yeah they're going to have to take a serious profit cut and hope that the bulk makes up for it.

Resis such a weird material for an army style product, it's always been metal or plastic for that and resin for boutique. It will be interesting to watch. Prodos are, I think, the only other ones to go for proper resin for an army product, how's their fulfillment going?


Thought this was supposed to be more of a skirmish game (max 20 minis a side) than an army scale game. Could be wrong, I didn't pay that much attention last time around.
   
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willb2064 wrote:
 Artemis Black wrote:
$7/£4.50 is still damn cheap for 40mm multipart resin figures of a good standard.

(Still can't bring myself to call them 35mm, that's never gonna happen )

If they use the same profit margin as their 75mm figures you're looking at about $15 a figure. So yeah they're going to have to take a serious profit cut and hope that the bulk makes up for it.

Resis such a weird material for an army style product, it's always been metal or plastic for that and resin for boutique. It will be interesting to watch. Prodos are, I think, the only other ones to go for proper resin for an army product, how's their fulfillment going?


Thought this was supposed to be more of a skirmish game (max 20 minis a side) than an army scale game. Could be wrong, I didn't pay that much attention last time around.


Yeah, I guess that would be a better description (although the only word so far has been "15-30" rather than 20 max). Still the domain of metal and plastic usually though.
   
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I'm not sure yet whether I'm going to care about the game rules, but I've always wanted some really nice 40mm or so power armour guys (ever since the first true-scale marine conversions started popping up) so I might get some for whatever sci-fi skirmish purposes I feel like using them for (SuperSystem or whatever).



The Riff though look pretty awesome. They're like orks but without the scrap metal obsession

Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better. 
   
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Yup, my choice too, except for the stupid looking one with the carrot top at the back right

Nice simple design, reminiscent of Panthro from the Thundercats.
   
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Well that's my favorite one

Although I'm likely just after the Berserkers, like the model on the left of the pic in the OP.
   
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 Artemis Black wrote:
Yup, my choice too, except for the stupid looking one with the carrot top at the back right


I think it's like he's part way to being a berzerker:



I imagine if you don't paint it orangey-red, it'll look fine. Crude photoshop colour change:



Nice simple design, reminiscent of Panthro from the Thundercats.



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Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better. 
   
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Wonder what the pledge levels are going to be like. They know mini's collectors have an interest in this so wonder if they will make figures only pledges.

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That was a big request from the last time around, so I imagine they will.

The only thing I didn't really like the look of was the vehicles. Hopefully they don't figure in too prominently in the game.

   
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Is this KS still going to be run in GPB?
   
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So, they're smaller now? There was so much scale speculation and misinformation going around last time around my eyes glazed over and I wound up passing on the game. If they offer the same kind of add-ons that they did last time, I might throw down at the very least for those heavy armor Juggernaut looking Riff.

   
 
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