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2014/11/12 16:57:43
Subject: According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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Many people don't like how powerful Eldar are, yet they're okay with IoM shenanigans, so which army/armies should be more powerful than others?
(Don't say that all armies should be balanced as they shouldn't. Certain armies should have an advantage/disadvantage against other armies)
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2014/11/12 17:00:38
Subject: Re:According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Lord of the Fleet
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Orks.
Orks can never lose.
And yes, gameplay wise, all armies should fundamentally be balanced.
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Mordian Iron Guard - Major Overhaul in Progress
+Spaceship Gaming Enthusiast+
Live near Halifax, NS? Ask me about our group, the Ordo Haligonias! |
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2014/11/12 17:01:51
Subject: According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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If we still have points costs?
A SM army would be five guys in a drop pod. Everyone has a special weapon an assault 10 AP2 bolter and a Fleshbane/Armorbane chainsword.
An ork army is "fill your deployment area with ork boys. Ork boys are S1 I1 T1 and may only attack space marine opponents one at a time."
An Eldar army is one aspect warrior.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2014/11/12 17:19:28
Subject: According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
north of nowhere
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Fluff wise i feel the guard should be most powerful. Baneblades should cost what russes do, russes what chimeras do and guardsmen should be free. They should also die the turn they come in, but hey theres 3,000,000 waiting to be placed.
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2014/11/12 17:30:19
Subject: According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Freaky Flayed One
Photo Gallery Coming Soon...
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Necrons / Tyranids. Hard to say witch one is stronger. Tyranids cant absorb Necrons. Both races entire forces haven't arrived yet.
I think if the Tyranid entire race was in 40k galaxy, it would take every race and I mean EVERY race to come together to even put up a resistance. Even then, they would lose.
If every single Tomb world awoken, same fate as Tyranids. Necrons have already wiped the galaxy clean once already. Hell, if the Necron use the full power of the Ctans...suns will fall.
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"I don't know half of you half as well as I would like, I like less than half of you, half as well as you deserve".
BloodRavens: 3500pts (100% Painted).
Necrons: 3000pts. (100% Painted) .
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2014/11/12 17:31:35
Subject: According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Hallowed Canoness
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Mine. Because they are the chosen. And I was the one to make the choice.
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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2014/11/12 17:31:42
Subject: According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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Mark1130 wrote:Necrons / Tyranids. Hard to say witch one is stronger. Tyranids cant absorb Necrons. Both races entire forces haven't arrived yet. I think if the Tyranid entire race was in 40k galaxy, it would take every race and I mean EVERY race to come together to even put up a resistance. Even then, they would lose.
This. The Tyranids devour planets brah. And Necrons have near limitless numbers of regenerating undead Robots, and some of the most advanced and bizarre technology in the galaxy. Suck on that, Imperium.
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40k:
8th Edtion: 9405 pts - Varantekh Dynasty |
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2014/11/16 14:06:26
Subject: According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Gargantuan Grotesque With Gnarskin
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Daemons never die so they have all of eternity to wipe out any other race provided they find ways to and from the warp
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2014/11/16 14:14:21
Subject: According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
Missouri
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I always thought that would be a fun boss fight in a 40k-themed game, something like Space Marine maybe. Going up against a single Eldar aspect warrior and trying desperately just to land a hit on them, and failing.
Anyway, this thread is kinda dumb because everyone's just going to post "Well my army, duh! My codex says right here my army is the best ever!" and copy/paste all the bullgak fluffwank GW put in every book to sell you on that army as "proof". And you can do that for literally every army, so...
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Desubot wrote:Why isnt Slut Wars: The Sexpocalypse a real game dammit.
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2014/11/16 14:18:02
Subject: According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Mighty Vampire Count
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lustigjh wrote:Daemons never die so they have all of eternity to wipe out any other race provided they find ways to and from the warp
Indeed - hence the Necron plan used to be (?) to seal the Warp away from reality - of course the Necrons currently look like they will all fall victim to the Flayer virus, eventually............Tryanids may run out of fleets, Orks can be beaten.
The races are all the best when the narrative says they are the best.
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/528517.page
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2014/11/16 14:48:40
Subject: According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch
avoiding the lorax on Crion
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Space marines, in one book one was sent to deal with a dark eldar incursion from a crashed ship.
One.
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Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all. |
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2014/11/16 14:55:50
Subject: According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Depends if you mean in a particular battle or the race as a whole.
For example Eldar have the foresight, strategy, technology and martial prowess to pick (or avoid) any battle, manipulate the circumstances and win. They are are dying race however, and couldn't ever conquer the galaxy.
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2014/11/16 15:05:58
Subject: According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Freaky Flayed One
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Mark1130 wrote:Necrons / Tyranids. Hard to say witch one is stronger. Tyranids cant absorb Necrons. Both races entire forces haven't arrived yet.
I think if the Tyranid entire race was in 40k galaxy, it would take every race and I mean EVERY race to come together to even put up a resistance. Even then, they would lose.
If every single Tomb world awoken, same fate as Tyranids. Necrons have already wiped the galaxy clean once already. Hell, if the Necron use the full power of the Ctans...suns will fall.
Being a bit biased I think the necrons would beat out the nids. Just because their biomass replenishes at a less efficient rate due to not absorbing biomass on necron death worlds. That and the null fields disrupting their connection to the hive mind. The only thing that goes against them is the in fighting which every race aside from maybe tau has as well.
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2014/11/16 15:18:42
Subject: According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
*bursts though room with axe* HEEEAAARRRS JHONNY!!!
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-Chaos
-Tyranids
-Orks
-Necrons
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Night Lords (40k): 3500pts
Klan Zaw Klan: 4000pts
Whatever you use.. It's Cheesy, broken and OP |
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2014/11/16 19:43:44
Subject: According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Houston, Texas
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-Necrons
-Daemons
One (Daemons) because they can't be killed and powerful individuals can just destroy Imperial battleships (Cherubael, Rau Keres, Ghargatuloth)
The other (Necrons) because of their insane toughness and firepower.
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Finally found my quote from a gym buddy born and raised in South Korea:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us the freedom of the press.
"It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.
"It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.
"It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag." |
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2014/11/16 20:15:12
Subject: According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Hallowed Canoness
Ireland
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Sidstyler wrote:Anyway, this thread is kinda dumb because everyone's just going to post "Well my army, duh! My codex says right here my army is the best ever!" and copy/paste all the bullgak fluffwank GW put in every book to sell you on that army as "proof". And you can do that for literally every army, so...
Pretty much this.
Though I'd say that GW actually has a fairly balanced portrayal if you compare all the studio sources. It's the Black Library novels where things get really iffy.
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2014/11/16 20:25:17
Subject: According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Angered Reaver Arena Champion
Connah's Quay, North Wales
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Eldar or Necrons, both follow the same ideals that make them the strongest. They only fight where they win, if there is a battle they won't win, the battle won't happen.
A realistic battle between the Imperium and Eldar, the Imperium would have 500pts and the Eldar would have 1250 and first turn. If the Imperium survive past turn 3, you get 4000pts of reinforcements
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2014/11/16 21:54:15
Subject: According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot
On moon miranda.
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jhe90 wrote:Space marines, in one book one was sent to deal with a dark eldar incursion from a crashed ship.
One.
I couldn't finish that book it was so bad. Abnett's portrayal of Space Marines in that book was so over the top and absurd I just couldn't finish reading it.
Not to mention multiple direct contradictions of Astartes lore and common military sense (e.g. you don't just send one guy, they operate as a cohesive unit, one guy, no matter how powerful, is too vulnerable to variable events and can't be everywhere or see everything at once).
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IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights!
The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts. |
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2014/11/16 22:20:49
Subject: Re:According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
Inside Yvraine
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That "Dark Eldar incursion" consisted of a handful of Cabalite Warriors, and nothing else. Anyway, the strongest faction is Daemons. They're more numerous than orks and more immortal than Necrons.
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2014/11/16 23:18:46
Subject: According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Hallowed Canoness
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Daemons worse enemy is… reality. Though not exactly the most scheming of foes, it still looks like something damn hard to beat into submission, and harder even to destroy.
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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2014/11/16 23:26:21
Subject: According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Ancient Venerable Dark Angels Dreadnought
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Either Space Marines or Chaos Daemons. Chaos Daemons have feats for blowing up a star on accident. Space Marine Librarians can get so powerful they make some of the X-Men in Marvel feel inadequate.
Tyranids actually would probably be the worst army, as unless they were able to bring nigh infinite models, they only win because of numbers. Necrons and Chaos would be the only thing giving fluffy space marines a run for their money, and they'd still probably die to them.
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“There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance.” |
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2014/11/16 23:31:44
Subject: According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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It depends on one thing - which lore you are using.
According to SM lore - a 10-man Tac squad is nigh unbeatable (just don't send them into a Space Hulk infested with Genestealers).
According to IG lore - a small group of regular men are nigh unbeatable, they just need an awesome special character to lead them.
According to Ork lore - Orks never lose. Either they win, they die in battle (which doesn't count) or they run away so they come back for anuver go.
Etc.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2014/11/16 23:37:48
Subject: According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Stabbin' Skarboy
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Orks can never be truly cleansed from a world. Short of exterminatus, ork spores are the most resilient life form in the Galaxy.
And no matter what Ork spores spread. When they fight, when they die.
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2014/11/17 00:53:28
Subject: According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Vaktathi wrote: jhe90 wrote:Space marines, in one book one was sent to deal with a dark eldar incursion from a crashed ship.
One.
I couldn't finish that book it was so bad. Abnett's portrayal of Space Marines in that book was so over the top and absurd I just couldn't finish reading it.
Not to mention multiple direct contradictions of Astartes lore and common military sense (e.g. you don't just send one guy, they operate as a cohesive unit, one guy, no matter how powerful, is too vulnerable to variable events and can't be everywhere or see everything at once).
The Officio Assassinorum finds your lack of faith in the actions of one man disturbing.
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"Bringer of death, speak your name, For you are my life, and the foe's death." - Litany of the Lasgun
2500 points
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2014/11/17 01:04:43
Subject: According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot
On moon miranda.
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TheSilo wrote: Vaktathi wrote: jhe90 wrote:Space marines, in one book one was sent to deal with a dark eldar incursion from a crashed ship.
One.
I couldn't finish that book it was so bad. Abnett's portrayal of Space Marines in that book was so over the top and absurd I just couldn't finish reading it.
Not to mention multiple direct contradictions of Astartes lore and common military sense (e.g. you don't just send one guy, they operate as a cohesive unit, one guy, no matter how powerful, is too vulnerable to variable events and can't be everywhere or see everything at once).
The Officio Assassinorum finds your lack of faith in the actions of one man disturbing.
To be fair, the Assassinorum typically sends one person to deal with one target, not unknown numbers of hostile aliens with zero intel, and an Assassin is a much different being and an order of magnitude scarier than a single Space Marine.
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IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights!
The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts. |
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2014/11/17 01:58:57
Subject: Re:According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Sybarite Swinging an Agonizer
Charleston, SC
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According to lore? I would place my bets with Eldar. They are often dumbed down in stories by authors that either do not understand them or who want them to be fightable, but in reality they would be the nightmare of nightmares on the battlefield. They flow like water and they almost -always- know your every plan.
Barring Eldar I would give Necrons or Daemons my vote. A tough choice between the two all around (at least for me).
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2014/11/17 02:34:57
Subject: Re:According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot
On moon miranda.
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Nightwolf829 wrote:According to lore? I would place my bets with Eldar. They are often dumbed down in stories by authors that either do not understand them or who want them to be fightable, but in reality they would be the nightmare of nightmares on the battlefield. They flow like water and they almost -always- know your every plan.
Only if they've got divining psykers with them. Not all Eldar forces do, and they've been shown to have been wrong before (or only see visions of possible futures and the like). It's also one thing to know an opponents plan, it's another to have the means to properly counter it, and to trust than an opponent is unable to adapt or improvise.
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IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT.
New Heavy Gear Log! Also...Grey Knights!
The correct pronunciation is Imperial Guard and Stormtroopers, "Astra Militarum" and "Tempestus Scions" are something you'll find at Hogwarts. |
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2014/11/17 02:49:30
Subject: According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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DontEatRawHagis wrote:Orks can never be truly cleansed from a world. Short of exterminatus, ork spores are the most resilient life form in the Galaxy.
And no matter what Ork spores spread. When they fight, when they die.
Worst lore change ever.
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2014/11/17 03:10:56
Subject: According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Blood Angel Terminator with Lightning Claws
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I rank them as:
1.) Tyranids/Necrons (tie)
2.) Chaos Undivided
3.) Eldar
4.) Imperial Guard
5.) Adeptus Astartes
This is about which of the factions are the straight-up strongest in a battle. The Tyranids/Necrons are tied because both have large numbers (practically infinite on the Nids), Necrons have the best tech in the Universe (tied with Eldar), and both are very tough and Tyranids have the ultimate war strategy (Hive Mind). Chaos Undivided second, because they are incredibly strong, large numbers, very tough, and have great divination, but the Necrons beat them by default, Tyranids win because infinity Nids. Eldar are third because they always know their enemies' battle plans before the battle and have fantastic, elite warriors, and the best tech in the galaxy (which makes up for their lack of numbers). Orks, because Orks have the toughness and strength and of the Astartes alongside the numbers of the Imperial Guard (though they have horrible training, very little skill, and primitive technology. Adeptus Astartes have very small numbers, which immediately put them at the bottom, but they are elitist warriors with great equipment, amazing training, and the best genes mankind can acquire.
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To quote a fictional character... "Let's make this fun!"
Tactical_Spam wrote:There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
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2014/11/17 03:19:43
Subject: According to the Lore; Which Armies Should be the Strongest?
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
Missouri
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jhe90 wrote:Space marines, in one book one was sent to deal with a dark eldar incursion from a crashed ship.
One.
Called it.
Much fluffwank. So impress. Amaze. Very badass. Wow.
Seriously, this is utter tripe, a fething 12-year-old could come up with gak like this in their sleep without even having to marathon the new Modern Generic FPS beforehand.
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Desubot wrote:Why isnt Slut Wars: The Sexpocalypse a real game dammit.
"It's easier to change the rules than to get good at the game." |
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