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When I saw the new army bundles GW have released for Christmas I was pretty impressed, there's a lot of great themed armies there and most of them actually adhere to the FOC.

I've been eyeing up Militarum Tempestus for a while and when I saw the airborne assault bundle I got a little excited and assumed being that as it was a bundle and its Christmas there'd be some kind of discount. Being the cautious buyer I am I ran the numbers anyway and found out it was the exact same cost as buying everything individually.

What's up with this? Are they preying on less cautious peoples assumptions? I feel no rush to buy it if its the exact same price as normal. It doesn't make much sense.

After writing this I'm not sure what kind of response I expect and realise I'm just having a winge but hey.

Thoughts?


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The one-click web bundles are just advertising. They might help someone who is ignorant to what’s what buy a themed gift for someone who plays. But if you want savings, get something that has its own box. There are a number of them out there.

   
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First time looking at the "deals" on GW's store?

   
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 SilverMK2 wrote:
First time looking at the "deals" on GW's store?


First time any of them have caught my interest enough to consider them. Usually they always include some useless models which I don't look twice at however these Christmas ones actually have some good collections.

If they knocked 10% off for buying the bundles I'd be all over some of them like the farsight enclaves, airborne assault or even the battleforce.

Clearly GW doesn't embrace the Christmas spirit much

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GW's bundle packages have never had savings.

The only things which ever had savings were the battleforces/battalion boxes.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
GW's bundle packages have never had savings.

The only things which ever had savings were the battleforces/battalion boxes.


Well the bundles when they originally launched Apoc were actually good savings. FW still understands this "discount" concept.
   
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I have never really understood this myself. It is just easier for a buyer I guess to get a number of things with one click. Seems like it should have some kind of discount attached as well. The logic kind of escapes me. If there was some kind of deal on these I might be willing to buy, but because there is not, it does not create a sense of urgency in me to buy before the deal goes away. Then again I did not go to school for marketing, so maybe I am a simpleton when it comes to these kinds of things.
   
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I think their idea is to trap people who think "there must be a saving in buying this bundle" but never actually check out the cost of the bundle.

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Uncle Fester wrote:
 Grey Templar wrote:
GW's bundle packages have never had savings.

The only things which ever had savings were the battleforces/battalion boxes.


Well the bundles when they originally launched Apoc were actually good savings. FW still understands this "discount" concept.

And all of those bundles came in their own box, like the "Militarum Tempestus Storm Scions" boxed set.

As Nevelon mentioned, if it does not have its own box then it's just saving you from exceeding your government mandated Internet Clicks limit.
   
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Taffy17 wrote:
When I saw the new army bundles GW have released for Christmas I was pretty impressed, there's a lot of great themed armies there and most of them actually adhere to the FOC.

I've been eyeing up Militarum Tempestus for a while and when I saw the airborne assault bundle I got a little excited and assumed being that as it was a bundle and its Christmas there'd be some kind of discount. Being the cautious buyer I am I ran the numbers anyway and found out it was the exact same cost as buying everything individually.

What's up with this? Are they preying on less cautious peoples assumptions? I feel no rush to buy it if its the exact same price as normal. It doesn't make much sense.

After writing this I'm not sure what kind of response I expect and realise I'm just having a winge but hey.

Thoughts?


Some of the boxes have a small discount, others a little bit more, and many have no discount at all. I guess, the good news, it's never more expensive lol. On the bright side, some of the unit + tank bundles are a little cheaper at my FLGS than buying them split up. It might be only $5 between the pair, but the unit + vehicle bundles I'm more likely to want both.

This is in contrast with some "good buys" -- of dubious value, because you have to want most of the stuff out of the box:

- New big paint set is 160 paints for $560, or $3.50 each, individually, they're $4.00
- Eldar battleforce is $115, guardian squad is $36, avengers $35, vyper $30, wave serpent $45 = $146
- The new DA Expansion is a big savings, compared to the parts separately (you basically get the bike command squad free)

The problem is, the paint set is only helpful if you don't have any (or much) citadel paint; the Eldar BF isn't useful if you want to put fire dragons into the WS; the DA expansion might be great if you wanted those units, which are fantastic models, but it's a pretty weird mix to want to buy together (especially since core DV comes with terminators and bikes already).

   
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The bundles on the site are never a discount, they do have the battle force boxes like this eldar one: http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Eldar-Battleforce

It is $115 US, the same stuff would be $145.75 US, so definitely some savings on that.

The Tyranid wrath of the hive mind is $165 US the components would be $210.84
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Wrath-of-the-Hive-Mind

Did some rough math for the gaunts as they sell them in boxes of 12 and the box set comes with an even 20.

So some of the box sets do you give you a decent savings.

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Savings on units that aren't used in good lists aren't much of a saving.

   
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It is still a decent way to build up a list, tyranid warriors I know aren't great but they are needed for many of the better formations like the living artillery node. I know a lot of people who field units that are not competitive because they like them and care more about having fun than winning every game, especially in friendly games.

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The Ork Mekmob is pretty good at 20% off, with mostly good units, with the possible exception being the deff dread.
   
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GW offers two types of bundles, and they don't tell you with words which is which.

one is a boxed deal which contains all the sprues and what not 1 box designed for the models.

the other is a collection of boxes that make a 'web bundle'

the first is at a discount for some amount- some of them range from a $3.00 discount to a $70.00 discount.

the web bundle is not at any discount, and is just a quick way to purchase a lot of separate boxes at standard msrp that make up their idea of a collection.
   
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In GW's own words, a discount would devalue the product and it is worth paying full price for, ergo the "one click collections" do not save you any money at all.

Why the actual battleforce/battalion/etc. boxes don't adhere to that rule is anyone's guess, but the above has been their official reasoning.

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Talys wrote:

Some of the boxes have a small discount, others a little bit more, and many have no discount at all. I guess, the good news, it's never more expensive lol.


OH how WRONG you are. I can't remember which bundle it was, but it actually costed more to buy the one click bundle than buying it separately. I guess you are paying for less mouse clicks. LOL.

OH yeah, not one BUNDLE deal ever gave cost savings. Some of the battle boxes or what ever they are called have some good savings, but no Bundle deals that I know of ever gave savings. Most costed the same and as I said before, one or maybe even two or three costed more.

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Davor wrote:
Talys wrote:

Some of the boxes have a small discount, others a little bit more, and many have no discount at all. I guess, the good news, it's never more expensive lol.


OH how WRONG you are. I can't remember which bundle it was, but it actually costed more to buy the one click bundle than buying it separately. I guess you are paying for less mouse clicks. LOL.

OH yeah, not one BUNDLE deal ever gave cost savings. Some of the battle boxes or what ever they are called have some good savings, but no Bundle deals that I know of ever gave savings. Most costed the same and as I said before, one or maybe even two or three costed more.


If I remember right chaos daemons cost more if you bought the bundle. they changed it pretty fast though.

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Buyers are not entitled to discounts just because they want them. Get over it.

Most of the world doesn't give you free product just because you buy a bunch. If I buy a T-shirt from Macy's, the 100th shirt costs the same as the first, and if I buy an ounce of gold, it costs the same per ounce as my hundreth ounce, and the last gallon of diesel fuel from the pump costs the same as the first.

If anything, I'm somewhat surprised that they don't charge you more per unit the more you buy, as you're depleting what has to be a relatively minimal stock.



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You misunderstand OP. They do understand the concept of bulk buys. They just think that's stupid. Why should they have to lose money on a £50 Stormraven simply because it was bought alongside 3 Land Raiders, which also cost 50? Why should they only recieve 150 for 200 worth of stuff? Very logical. What they don't understand is that OTHER businesses are well-off enough to afford this so the consumer naturally expects this. The one thing Kirby doesn't never ever take into account is the random variable: people's stupidity.

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The OP doesn't understand the idea of buying in bulk. Buying 4 Tactical Squads is not buying in bulk, that's buying 4 Tactical Squads. Buying 10,000 Tactical Squads is buying in bulk. Why don't you phone them and see if they will do you a discount on THAT order?
   
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Might be GW is worried about people buying the big boxes at a discount and selling the individual units on ebay. They would still be making money off the original sale but lose out on that little extra bit. They seem to have a thing against other people selling their products on-line.
   
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 Ailaros wrote:
Buyers are not entitled to discounts just because they want them. Get over it.

Most of the world doesn't give you free product just because you buy a bunch. If I buy a T-shirt from Macy's, the 100th shirt costs the same as the first, and if I buy an ounce of gold, it costs the same per ounce as my hundreth ounce, and the last gallon of diesel fuel from the pump costs the same as the first.

If anything, I'm somewhat surprised that they don't charge you more per unit the more you buy, as you're depleting what has to be a relatively minimal stock.


It is a pretty common thing for such "bundles" to be cheaper than just buying the things together. GW even does this with their battleforces (and rarely, megaforces) and a few other things. The way they create these is just a bit silly, especially since they're advertised in the same way that new releases are, as if they're something worth getting excited about. There's absolutely no bonus for buying these things in a bundle, not even an exclusive miniature or bit like with the Reclusiarch Command Squad. It's rather strange.

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 Ailaros wrote:
Buyers are not entitled to discounts just because they want them. Get over it.

Most of the world doesn't give you free product just because you buy a bunch. If I buy a T-shirt from Macy's, the 100th shirt costs the same as the first, and if I buy an ounce of gold, it costs the same per ounce as my hundreth ounce, and the last gallon of diesel fuel from the pump costs the same as the first.

If anything, I'm somewhat surprised that they don't charge you more per unit the more you buy, as you're depleting what has to be a relatively minimal stock.





I used to work at a Macy's. Pretty damn sure if someone came in and said they were thinking about buying 100 shirts, but they were price-comparing with JC Pennies or something, we would've offered a few shirts free or SOMETHING to get his money in our till and not theirs. If they were designer shirts, they probably would've quickly dropped an offer of like 25% off to not lose that sale. Designer clothes have huge markups, so that might be something like a $2000 discount for 100 of them. (Store would still make more than that off the sale.)
Additionally they could win themselves some customer loyalty by having good deals, which can be literally worth it's weight in money.

So yes, after many years in retail and retail management, I am also confused when I see a bundle offer of any kind that doesn't actually offer a discount. It goes against pretty much all modern sales wisdom.

Protip: next time you call a pizza place looking for even 3 or more pizzas, get the manager, be really bro chill with him, and then ask if there's a way to get your pizza at a discount. If he's actual salary management and not just some shift leader, he'll generally do something for you.

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 Frozen Ocean wrote:
 Ailaros wrote:
Buyers are not entitled to discounts just because they want them. Get over it.

Most of the world doesn't give you free product just because you buy a bunch. If I buy a T-shirt from Macy's, the 100th shirt costs the same as the first, and if I buy an ounce of gold, it costs the same per ounce as my hundreth ounce, and the last gallon of diesel fuel from the pump costs the same as the first.

If anything, I'm somewhat surprised that they don't charge you more per unit the more you buy, as you're depleting what has to be a relatively minimal stock.


It is a pretty common thing for such "bundles" to be cheaper than just buying the things together. GW even does this with their battleforces (and rarely, megaforces) and a few other things.

The new "Megaforces"(things like the Warhost of Naggaroth, the Dwarf Battleline, Tyranid Swarm, Wrath of the Hive Mind, etc) actually all have pretty good savings.
I know the Warhost is $170 retail but the product within is $212.50. That savings works out to another box at least of something for your Dark Elves.
   
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 Ailaros wrote:
Most of the world doesn't give you free product just because you buy a bunch. If I buy a T-shirt from Macy's, the 100th shirt costs the same as the first, and if I buy an ounce of gold, it costs the same per ounce as my hundreth ounce, and the last gallon of diesel fuel from the pump costs the same as the first.
Actually I'd say most of the world does. I'm not familiar with Macy's, but most clothes retailers will offer you a discount if you buy in bulk. If you ring up and say "I have a club/group/society and we need a giant pile of shirts, what can you do for me?" I'd say many places would offer you a discount.

If you want to buy an ounce of gold, you will struggle to find someone who will sell it to you at the market rate. If you want to buy a few pounds of gold, you're much more likely to find people willing to sell close to the market rate.

Fuel? My mate runs a fleet of trucks and gets discounts at certain stations because of that. I can guarantee if fuel stations expected to only sell 1 gallon per transaction, the price would be even higher.

That's not even touching on all the stores that offer rewards cards if you keep purchasing from them you get extra discounts or free sandwiches or your 6th haircut free or whatever (even GW used to have rewards cards where if you bought a certain amount of stuff you'd get something).

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niv-mizzet wrote:
 Ailaros wrote:
Buyers are not entitled to discounts just because they want them. Get over it.

Most of the world doesn't give you free product just because you buy a bunch. If I buy a T-shirt from Macy's, the 100th shirt costs the same as the first, and if I buy an ounce of gold, it costs the same per ounce as my hundreth ounce, and the last gallon of diesel fuel from the pump costs the same as the first.

If anything, I'm somewhat surprised that they don't charge you more per unit the more you buy, as you're depleting what has to be a relatively minimal stock.





I used to work at a Macy's. Pretty damn sure if someone came in and said they were thinking about buying 100 shirts, but they were price-comparing with JC Pennies or something, we would've offered a few shirts free or SOMETHING to get his money in our till and not theirs. If they were designer shirts, they probably would've quickly dropped an offer of like 25% off to not lose that sale. Designer clothes have huge markups, so that might be something like a $2000 discount for 100 of them. (Store would still make more than that off the sale.)
Additionally they could win themselves some customer loyalty by having good deals, which can be literally worth it's weight in money.

So yes, after many years in retail and retail management, I am also confused when I see a bundle offer of any kind that doesn't actually offer a discount. It goes against pretty much all modern sales wisdom.

Protip: next time you call a pizza place looking for even 3 or more pizzas, get the manager, be really bro chill with him, and then ask if there's a way to get your pizza at a discount. If he's actual salary management and not just some shift leader, he'll generally do something for you.


Yes indeed.

The purpose of bundles is to offer a discount that doesn't look like a discount, in order to sell an item without devaluing its normal retail price.

For example typically there are bundle deals for PlayStation and Xbox where you get the console and a game for less than the price of the console and game separately, but the purpose is to sell you the console because you will buy more games for it later on.

GW doesn't have that kind of an angle really.

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Yeah, there definitely seems to be two minds about this issue. I ran into this on eBay last week. I messaged a guy and asked him if he would be willing to hash out a reduced rate if I bought in bulk, and he acted like I asked to watch his wife shower. But the practice is common enough that if you run into someone childish enough to act like that, you can just take your business on down the road and be pretty sure of finding someone who will slide you a deal.

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