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Is he the best dread in the new codex?

This guy in a drop pod seems pretty sweet. He can put out a large volume of str 7 attacks . yea he will sit there for a turn, but I'm imagining he would make it.

what are your experiences with him? Do you like him?
or is the Ven Dread with the shield and axe better >?

Why not both? I think Murderfang is scary enough. Drop both in and let your opponent choose which one to go after, and the other one can rip into assault the following turn.

Squishy - our SW player has only successfully gotten him into combat a few times. He can't reliably survive turn 1, nor soak up enough damage to make him worthwhile as a distraction. Murderfang's potential damage output is very powerful, but if he can't survive long enough to use it, then... well, I would rather have a shield dread who can accomplish something.

One thing we've been meaning to try is a Lucius drop pod - it's sort of questionable whether a murderfang can take it (is it technically a dreadnought?) but that would give it the survivability it needs to survive and assault on turn 2.

As every cc unit that's not super-survivable, he needs target saturation. When there's 1-2 dreads - they won't do anything. But when there's a bunch of thunderwolves with lords, termies, other marines and basically, everything aggressive pressing the opponent, they really shine.

 DanielBeaver wrote:
Squishy - our SW player has only successfully gotten him into combat a few times. He can't reliably survive turn 1, nor soak up enough damage to make him worthwhile as a distraction. Murderfang's potential damage output is very powerful, but if he can't survive long enough to use it, then... well, I would rather have a shield dread who can accomplish something.

One thing we've been meaning to try is a Lucius drop pod - it's sort of questionable whether a murderfang can take it (is it technically a dreadnought?) but that would give it the survivability it needs to survive and assault on turn 2.

He can take the Lucius Drop Pod - as it specifically states that any "Dreadnought Variant" can purchase the drop pod as a transport. That means ALL dreadnoughts including contemptors.

One of the most favorite things I have done was do a proxy match where I filled up with as many dreadnoughts I could (Bjorn included) and fill the rest with min drop pod troops... and drop all the dreadnought drop pods in the face. You cannot shoot the dreadnought due to the rule of the Lucius pattern, it provided shrouded, and now you have 6 dreadnoughts ready to assault you next turn

fidel wrote:
He can take the Lucius Drop Pod - as it specifically states that any "Dreadnought Variant" can purchase the drop pod as a transport. That means ALL dreadnoughts including contemptors.

The word "dreadnought" never appears in Murderfang's rules, we just assume that he is because he uses a dreadnought model. Even his fluff only says "resembles a Space Wolf Dreadnought".

 DanielBeaver wrote:

fidel wrote:
He can take the Lucius Drop Pod - as it specifically states that any "Dreadnought Variant" can purchase the drop pod as a transport. That means ALL dreadnoughts including contemptors.

The word "dreadnought" never appears in Murderfang's rules, we just assume that he is because he uses a dreadnought model. Even his fluff only says "resembles a Space Wolf Dreadnought".

Wow Really..... that is... very very weird....

Well I would argue if it looks like a dreadnought, fight like a dreadnought, smells like a dreadnought. IMO it would be a little mean to disallow an opponent the use of a drop pod because of a minor GW oversight.

Yeah, HYWPI is that he's a dreadnought. Rule of Cool is important, and It's not like it's overpowered or anything.

anyone have any luck with the shield and axe dread?

My brother has tried the shield and axe dread against my nids a couple times. His problem is that he is too slow and easy to avoid through movement if he is deployed on the table. Deploying via drop pod with other fast units like sky/swift claws or Thunderwolves has been a little more effective because of the previously mentioned target saturation, but the problem is that he is a sitting target for a whole turn. The invuln from the shield helps his survivability a little, but with him being so close, it is going to be too easy to get side armor shots and negate that survivability boost.

graywater wrote:
My brother has tried the shield and axe dread against my nids a couple times. His problem is that he is too slow and easy to avoid through movement if he is deployed on the table. Deploying via drop pod with other fast units like sky/swift claws or Thunderwolves has been a little more effective because of the previously mentioned target saturation, but the problem is that he is a sitting target for a whole turn. The invuln from the shield helps his survivability a little, but with him being so close, it is going to be too easy to get side armor shots and negate that survivability boost.

I dont play too much, but once i used my axe/shield SW dread against a Imperial guard gunline army, and just for the lol i drop it in front of the whole army (full of auto cannons and two lemanrusses) to give some time to my TWC to reach their prey... he survive a turn of shooting, all the imperial guard army, all (even the guards with krack granades) literally, ALL THE ARMY shot him.
The games was something like this: when the drop fall in front of the gun line(with an aegis line with quad autocannon), i placed it particular where he could recieve most of the shots with the front arc; my opponet shot the quad hoping to blow it, if not to strip some hp in the interceptor shoots, but then i saved all shots with the shield, then in his turn begin with the leman russes las cannon and , again saved the shots with shield, then a heavey weapons team with autocannons shot again and then nothing, all shots faild to pen or even glance, then my opponet begun to show some nervousness, more shoots from the quimeras big lassers and nothing, that was the moment he descide to shoot everything, 15 min later of pure imperial guard shooting wrath and my dread was only one hp left, in my turn my calvary advance full speed and make a glorious charge reaching the IG line, then my dread calmly proceeded to wreck a leman russ, exploding the tank and wounding several guardsmen, by that moment my opponent gave me the victory

I just want to interject here and say I think the designers let someone's seven-year-old name the character.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
I just want to interject here and say I think the designers let someone's seven-year-old name the character.

this ,

murderfang
with the special rule murder lust
with murder claws.


"william murderface-murderface-murderface" is all i can think of when i see this character

 DanielBeaver wrote:

fidel wrote:
He can take the Lucius Drop Pod - as it specifically states that any "Dreadnought Variant" can purchase the drop pod as a transport. That means ALL dreadnoughts including contemptors.

The word "dreadnought" never appears in Murderfang's rules, we just assume that he is because he uses a dreadnought model. Even his fluff only says "resembles a Space Wolf Dreadnought".

Bjorn The Fell-Handed's profile doesn't technically say he's a dreadnought either.

Wolves for the Wolf God wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
I just want to interject here and say I think the designers let someone's seven-year-old name the character.

this ,

murderfang
with the special rule murder lust
with murder claws.


"william murderface-murderface-murderface" is all i can think of when i see this character

The Space Wolves in general read like that, just like Canis Wolfborne the Space Wolves (who was once Lord of the Wolfkin), Wolfguard to Harald Deathwolf (who now is Lord of the Wolfkin), wielding Wolfclaws while riding his Thunderwolf alongside his Fenrisian Wolves and bearing the Saga of the Wolfkin.

The SW fluff is just handled exceptionally poorly in general.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
I just want to interject here and say I think the designers let someone's seven-year-old name the character.

Murderfang
Stormfang
Longfang

...but not nearly as overused as "wolf"
Wolf Lord
Harald Deathwolf
Canis Wolfborn
Wolf Priest
Wolf Guard
Wolf Scouts
Lone Wolf
Stormwolf
Thunderwolf
Fenrisian Wolf
Wolf Claw
Wolf Amulet
Wolf Standard
Fangsword of the Ice Wolf
Wolves Unleashed

 DanielBeaver wrote:

fidel wrote:
He can take the Lucius Drop Pod - as it specifically states that any "Dreadnought Variant" can purchase the drop pod as a transport. That means ALL dreadnoughts including contemptors.

The word "dreadnought" never appears in Murderfang's rules, we just assume that he is because he uses a dreadnought model. Even his fluff only says "resembles a Space Wolf Dreadnought".

Seriously? Haha.

The 7th Edition Space Wolves codex really is one of the worst things to ever happen to 40K.


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Wolves for the Wolf God wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
I just want to interject here and say I think the designers let someone's seven-year-old name the character.

this ,

murderfang
with the special rule murder lust
with murder claws.


"william murderface-murderface-murderface" is all i can think of when i see this character

Thank you, so much. so so so much

Murder face.

Now i've got an image in my head of the space wolf leaders screwing around and being not very bright, but playing killer death metal in their spare time.

You bet this power fingers produce mindblowing bass solos.

I haven't had much luck with him. Granted I've only gotten a handful of games in with him, but it seems like he can't survive the round of shooting once he lands. Everyone is scared of him getting into combat that they blow him off the map the turn he arrives.

Wolves for the Wolf God wrote:
anyone have any luck with the shield and axe dread?

I use him often. You MUST alpha strike him, no ranged weapons means you want combat ASAP. Also, put smoke launchers for the turn 1 drop. Position well and your opponent will have to try to get past the ++3 save. In the 3 games I have used him...

1. VS SM, Vanguard deployment, landed behind all my enemies stuff. Soaked some fire, and then chased things. Eventually killed warlord. Was it a good investment? Yes, he soaked up OK fire, and caused my opponent to GTFO his deployment zone.

2. Mishapped off the table and landed really far away, sat on an objective all game. Worth it? I dunno, I took a gamble and lost.

3. VS Daemons and Orks. Tried a turn 2 pod, bad idea. Still caused my opponents to scramble. He found himself in combat with biker nobs, then screamers, won both and then had a free stroll through the enemy deployment zone, killing whatever he would have if we hadn't called it turn3.

The upside: ++3 on front, and with smoke you can get a +3 cover on another angle if you use pod/terrain well. He is durable, but only 3 attacks base puts him well below soul grinder tier of walkers in dmg output, but I would rank it higher than a soul grinder in CC reliance. I haven't had a chance to bust out murderfang, but I have received a charge from him, and it was horribly powerful.

Murderfang is bad. Really bad. With no way of negating the initiative penalty for charging through cover and only a 12 front armor, he just can't hang in combat. Either get the axe, or ally in Furiosos or Ironclads if you want dreadnoughts in combat.

Wolves for the Wolf God wrote:

"william murderface-murderface-murderface" is all i can think of when i see this character

For me, there is no such thing as murderfang. There's only murderface... or "why the hell did they open their caskets?!"

 Torga_DW wrote:
Now i've got an image in my head of the space wolf leaders screwing around and being not very bright, but playing killer death metal in their spare time.

Ulrik: "Alright everyone, I'm going to attempt again, right now, to explain the Space Wolves chapter. The tactics, the companies, the-"
Logan: "Just one second."
Ulrik: "Logan..."
Logan (texting): "Just hold on. I'm just gonna text a joke real quick."
Ulrik: "Do you guys want to know about the chapter or not?"
Murderfang: "Of course! We're not incapable of understanding!" (looks over to Logan) "...who are you texting?"
Ulrik: "Seriously, I'm not going to waste my time?"
Njal: "Oh c'mons, tells us that craps that you was gonna says about... thats borings crap, because we... uh... we want to... uh... know... that." (Falls asleep)
Ragnar (checks texts): “Oh look! ‘Knock-knock.'" (Texts back) "’Who ams there?'”
Logan (sending reply): “‘Logan.’ Logan’s here..."
Ulrik: "Guys..."
Ragnar (checks reply): “‘Logans who?’ Oh! look! ‘Knock-knock. Who ams there? Logans. Logans who? Logans Grimnar! Ha ha ha! Who sents me this text? Who sent mes this?”
Logan: “Ragnar, Rangar - it was me! I sent you that text!”
Krom: "Oh, that was you!!!"
Ragnar: “I was looking at you the whole times and I did nots know! Oh! Ahahahaha!”
Murderfang: "Oh man, that was some good man! Hahaha! How did you keep a straight face!"
Logan: "Oh you know, I had to bite my tongue for a while not to laugh."
Njal (waking up suddenly): "Hahaha!" (doesn't know why everyone's laughing)
Lukas (appears out of nowhere): "I'M LUKAS, THE TRICKSTER! I DO C-C-COCAINE!"

The trick [it has been mentioned earlier] is target Saturation.
You drop 2-3 Melta/Plasma-Hunters, and Axe/Shield Dread and Murderfang along with some Void Claw Terminators [For the Re-Roll Scatter] forcing your opponent to choose the biggest threat between the 5-6 Targets. Especially if you can work in Logan or Arjac into the mix.

Andilus that was great. Those little vignettes are the best part of the show.

Anpu, you are right about the target saturation, but the amount of dreads required to make such a tactic work is a heavy point sink. Then you have to pile additional costs on top of that to buy enough drop pods to have those dreads all come in on the same turn. If they do not come in on the same turn, it is not too difficult to take the dreads on piecemeal. Its certainly a gamble at most point levels because it is such an all or nothing approach. So if you are gonna run them, you better do it big and hope the enemy doesn't have a hard counter to them like mass AV options or high mobility to leave the dreads in the dust.

graywater wrote:
Andilus that was great. Those little vignettes are the best part of the show.

Anpu, you are right about the target saturation, but the amount of dreads required to make such a tactic work is a heavy point sink. Then you have to pile additional costs on top of that to buy enough drop pods to have those dreads all come in on the same turn. If they do not come in on the same turn, it is not too difficult to take the dreads on piecemeal. Its certainly a gamble at most point levels because it is such an all or nothing approach. So if you are gonna run them, you better do it big and hope the enemy doesn't have a hard counter to them like mass AV options or high mobility to leave the dreads in the dust.

Yes
The other thing about Murderfang is that like some other Units you need to build your list around him not just tack him on at the end because you have the points.

The other thing about Murderfang is that like some other Units you need to build your list around him not just tack him on at the end because you have the points.

This has been my experience. I play two wolf players. One has had a lot of success playing with dreads in pods and one has had a miserable time with them. The difference is that the first one pods in three when he uses them, while the second only runs one... then claims that they are garbage, even when I tell him of the success of the other player.