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Here are the rules:

- You make a 1500 list using the faction you play.
- It must be a legal one-CAD list without allies or formations.
- Units must not be taken more than once - the only exception is when you have only one troop choice (SoB come to mind) - so, take 2 of those. But for example, if you're playing space marines, you must take one scout squad and one tactical squad. I've heard a term 'Highlander' means something like this.
- No lists that auto-loose turn one like when everything has to start in reserve.
- No fortifications.
- Your opponent makes a list following the same rules and than you swap armies.

The goal is to make the worst list EVER so that noone will be able to win with it even vs the worst lists your opponent can think of.

Can't do it. Just can't fill 1500 points without taking something good with Sisters.

I'm going to assume that when you say "1500 point list" you mean that the list has to be as close to 1500 points as you can reasonably get, and you can't just spend 200 points on the minimum HQ + troops with 1300 points left unspent (perfectly legal, but against the spirit of the rules). In that case Farsight Tau win this easily.

HQ:
Commander with 4x shield generator, 2x marker drone, all unique systems except jammer and gauntlet --- 204
2x bodyguard with 3x shield generator, 2x marker drone, bonding knife --- 266

Troops:
6x fire warriors, shas'ui, markerlight, 2x marker drones, bonding knife, EMP grenades --- 97
3x crisis suits with 3x shield generator, 2x marker drone, shas'vre, bonding knife --- 376

Elite:
3x crisis suits with 3x shield generator, 2x marker drone, shas'vre, bonding knife --- 376

Fast:
12x shield drones --- 168

Total: 1487 points.

So yeah, that's a 1500 point Tau list where the only ranged weapons are six pulse rifles. But hey, at least they'll be BS 10 pulse rifles that ignore cover thanks to all your markerlights! Maybe that will let you kill a model in the shooting phase before you have to charge with your crisis suits and their multiple 4++ saves.

How do you make a bad Eldar list?

Take Illic, rangers and banshees. Although you'll still win because Eldar are apparently auto-win.

How does this challenge's Highlander rule work with Guardsman infantry platoons? This seems fun and I want to know if filling up on mortar squads is an option...

 Spinner wrote:
How does this challenge's Highlander rule work with Guardsman infantry platoons?

The unit is the platoon, not the various sub-units. So you could take a platoon with lots of squads, but you probably don't want to. It's possible to win games when you have tons of lasguns and bodies camping on objectives. The real way to win this kind of game is to spend as much as possible on useless upgrades for elite units, like the Tau crisis suits with multiple shield generators (a 4++ that doesn't stack, so it just wastes 50 points per model).

This seems fun and I want to know if filling up on mortar squads is an option...

It's an option, but not a very good one. Mortar squads actually have relevant weapons and might kill something, so you really don't want them in your list.

pm713 wrote:
Take Illic, rangers and banshees. Although you'll still win because Eldar are apparently auto-win.

The problem is that you would have to take Guardians, Dire Avengers or Windriders.

Oh wait. Storm Guardians.

 Happyjew wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Take Illic, rangers and banshees. Although you'll still win because Eldar are apparently auto-win.

The problem is that you would have to take Guardians, Dire Avengers or Windriders.

Oh wait. Storm Guardians.

Storm Guardians and take Harlequins as well.

Mortar squads actually have relevant weapons and might kill something, so you really don't want them in your list.

But but but an excuse to actually use mortars!



Lord Commissar with the Death Mask of Ollanius – 95


Platoon Command Squad with power fist, plasma pistol, platoon standard, and vox caster, riding in a Chimera with recovery gear, dozer blade, fire barrels, and augur array – 195
Infantry Squad with power sword - 60
Infantry Squad with power sword – 60

Heavy Weapons Squad with mortars and krak grenades – 63
Heavy Weapons Squad with mortars and krak grenades – 63
Heavy Weapons Squad with mortars and krak grenades – 63
Heavy Weapons Squad with mortars and krak grenades – 63
Heavy Weapons Squad with mortars and krak grenades - 63


Veterans with Sergeant Harker and shotguns – 115

10 Wyrdvane Psykers – 120

3 Hydras with dozer blades, fire barrels, recovery gear, and augur arrays – 345
3 Armored Sentinels with augur arrays - 195

Tyranids can win this.... Take Deathleaper and a bunch of stuff that will run or eat itself out of synapse. No Synapse means a bunch of dead bugs.

Timeshadow wrote:
Tyranids can win this.... Take Deathleaper and a bunch of stuff that will run or eat itself out of synapse. No Synapse means a bunch of dead bugs.

I was thinking Old One Eye to eat up points, but thinking about it DL would be better as he has a chance to run away as soon as the game starts.

Quick question, is Forgeworld allowed?

Tyranids-

Walking Hive Tyrant w/ 4x Scything Talons
Tyranid Prime w/ Rending Claws + Scything Talons

30x Hormagaunts w/ Toxin Sacs + Adrenal Glands
30x Termagants w/ Spikerifles, Adrenal Glands, and Toxin Sacs

Brood of 3 Lictors
Brood of 3 Pyrovores
Haruspex

Raveners
The Red Terror

This looks like fun. So in less than 5 minutes here is my effort. Guard army, with as many upgrades, poor special weapons, flakk missiles because the army probably wont see many fliers, overloaded characters. Well you get the idea.

HQ

Lord Commisar: frag/krak grenades, plasma pistol, power fist, melta bombs, carapace armour, camo gear, death mask of ollianus 155pts

Commisar w/ powerfist. 50pts

Troops

Inf. Platoon Total 873 pts. (for the whole platoon)

Plat. Cmd Squad:

grenade launcher x2,
missLauncher w/flakk;
Commander with plasma pistol, powerfist, melta bombs.
Chimera: replace hull and turret wpns with Hvy Flamers, stormbolter, H&K miss, relic plating, dozer, recovery gear, extra armour, firebarrels, camo gear, auger array.

Infantry Squad:

grenade launcher, vox caster, missLauncher w/flakk miss
Sgt w/ plasma pistol, power axe, melta bombs
Chimera: replace hull and turret wpns with Hvy Flamers, stormbolter, H&K miss, relic plating, dozer, recovery gear, extra armour, firebarrels, camo gear, auger array.

Infantry Squad:

grenade launcher, vox caster, missLauncher w/flakk miss
Sgt w/ plasma pistol, power axe, melta bombs
Chimera: replace hull and turret wpns with Hvy Flamers, stormbolter, H&K miss, relic plating, dozer, recovery gear, extra armour, firebarrels, camo gear, auger array.


Vet Squad 100pts
krak grenades, 9xshotguns, vox caster
Sgt: power fist


Elite

Ratlings x10 100pts

Fast

Roughriders x9
Sgt power axe, Total: 125pts

Heavy

Hydra w/ hull hvy flamer, dozer, auger array. 95pts

Chaos Space Marines:

Chaos Sorcerer, Mark of Tzeentch, Combat Familiar, Ichor Blood, Scrolls of Magnus, Aura of Dark Glory, Sigil of Corruption , Mastery lvl 1

13 Chaos Space Marines, Mark of Tzeentch, Icon of Flame

20 Thousand Sons

3 Mutilators

9 Warp Talons

9 Havocs

 Happyjew wrote:
How do you make a bad Eldar list?

I'll try:

Illic Nightspear

10x Harlequins /w kiss
10x Harlequins /w kiss
10x Harlequins /w kiss

10x Rangers
10x Rangers
10x Rangers
10x Rangers
10x Rangers
10x Rangers


...what's sad is I think you could win games with this.

Hm. I’m having a hard time thinking of a “bad” SM army. The problem is that the bad list meta is going to be a lot different then the normal one. Some of our classically “bad” units are only bad because they are overpriced in a world of AP2 pie plates. But you slap down a block of tactical terminators or assault centurions, and you are going to roll up a lot of the crummy lists here.

 DanielBeaver wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
How do you make a bad Eldar list?

I'll try:

Illic Nightspear

10x Harlequins /w kiss
10x Harlequins /w kiss
10x Harlequins /w kiss

10x Rangers
10x Rangers
10x Rangers
10x Rangers
10x Rangers
10x Rangers


...what's sad is I think you could win games with this.

Can't repeat units.

Tyranids:

Deathleaper

30x Hormagants (TS/AG)
3x Mucolid Spores
9x Ripper Swarms (TS/AG, DS)
30x Termgants (TS/AG, 27x Spike Rifle, 3x Strangelweb)

3x Pyrovore

9x Meiotic Spore (Forgeworld)
9x Sky-slasher Swarms (TS/AG)
6x Spore Mine Clusters

The scary thing is this army can actually be good. Once in assault.

Even a space marine bolter can do damage.
No upgrade tacticals foot slogging can still lay down hurt.

Tactical termies but they have power weapons and good armour save.

Dev marine seargent loaded up on with most expensive power weapon?

 Happyjew wrote:


Can't repeat units.

Oh. Well, then it's impossible to make a bad Eldar list.

Did a multiplayer game like this before.

The horribly overcosted BA are a tough contender in this:

Sanguinor at 275
14 death company on foot dual wielding thunder hammers 1120
One 5 man assault squad, melta bombs on the vet sarge. 105

Only 20 models, all t4. The threatening ones are walking at you.

niv-mizzet wrote:
Only 20 models, all t4. The threatening ones are walking at you.

That's ok, because the Tau list I posted has only six pulse rifles in the shooting phase and is going to have to charge you to do any damage.

 Peregrine wrote:

niv-mizzet wrote:
Only 20 models, all t4. The threatening ones are walking at you.

That's ok, because the Tau list I posted has only six pulse rifles in the shooting phase and is going to have to charge you to do any damage.

Just stay away from the DC lol. They can't score either. Just take first blood off the crappy asm squad (which even tau could do) and flee.

Added:
"No lists that auto-loose turn one like when everything has to start in reserve".

Tried to make the worst ork list possible and still got lots of reasonably good stuff =( Cause everything's so cheap.

How do you think, should we limit the 'useless wargear' options? But it's gona be not easy to do.

Tau win this because they can build suits with no weapons of any kind. Everyone else has to take some sort of weapon.

 Peregrine wrote:

niv-mizzet wrote:
Only 20 models, all t4. The threatening ones are walking at you.

That's ok, because the Tau list I posted has only six pulse rifles in the shooting phase and is going to have to charge you to do any damage.

This is the dynamic that makes me think these games could be surprisingly fun to play...

+++ New Roster (1496pts) +++

++ Astra Militarum: IA03.2 - Elysian Regiment Drop Troops (2013) (Combined Arms Detachment) ++

+ HQ +

Elysian Company Command Squad [Carapace Armour, Krak Grenades for Squad, Officer of the Fleet, Vet with Long Range Ground Scanner, Vet with Long Range Ground Scanner, Vet with Long Range Ground Scanner, Vet with Long Range Ground Scanner]
····Company Commander [Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol, Melta Bombs, Tracking Beacon, Warlord]

+ Troops +

Elysian Drop Infantry Platoon
····Infantry Squad [Guard w/ Breacher Charge, Guard w/ Lascutter, Guard w/ Vox Caster, 6x Guardsman, Krak Grenades for Squad]
········Sergeant [Lasgun with Aux Grenade Launcher, Lasgun with Aux Grenade Launcher, Melta Bombs]
····Infantry Squad [Guard w/ Breacher Charge, Guard w/ Lascutter, Guard w/ Vox Caster, 6x Guardsman, Krak Grenades for Squad]
········Sergeant [Lasgun with Aux Grenade Launcher, Lasgun with Aux Grenade Launcher, Melta Bombs]
····Infantry Squad [Guard w/ Breacher Charge, Guard w/ Lascutter, Guard w/ Vox Caster, 6x Guardsman, Krak Grenades for Squad]
········Sergeant [Lasgun with Aux Grenade Launcher, Lasgun with Aux Grenade Launcher, Melta Bombs]
····Infantry Squad [Guard w/ Breacher Charge, Guard w/ Lascutter, Guard w/ Vox Caster, 6x Guardsman, Krak Grenades for Squad]
········Sergeant [Lasgun with Aux Grenade Launcher, Lasgun with Aux Grenade Launcher, Melta Bombs]
····Infantry Squad [Guard w/ Breacher Charge, Guard w/ Lascutter, Guard w/ Vox Caster, 6x Guardsman, Krak Grenades for Squad]
········Sergeant [Lasgun with Aux Grenade Launcher, Lasgun with Aux Grenade Launcher, Melta Bombs]
····Platoon Command Squad [4x Guard w/ Lascutter]
········Platoon Commander [Lasgun with Aux Grenade Launcher, Lasgun with Aux Grenade Launcher, Tracking Beacon]
····Special Weapons Squad [3x Guard w/ Breacher Charge]
····Special Weapons Squad [3x Guard w/ Breacher Charge]
····Special Weapons Squad [3x Guard w/ Breacher Charge]

Elysian Veteran Squad [Demolitions, Forward Observers, Grenadiers, 3x Lascutter Vet, 6x Veteran w/ Lasgun]
····Veteran Sergeant [Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol]

+ Heavy Support +

Elysian Sentry Gun Battery [1-3x Camo Nets, Tarantula w/ Twin-linked Lascannon]

Created with BattleScribe

Elysian list with no fliers that needs to get into assault to do any real damage that's not BS2 auto-targetting, and can't Deep Strike its platoon because of the 50% rule.

Got a idea just got it add up, tactical termies max sqaud, foot slogging non jump pack vanguards all thunder hammers, 300 points alone on foot, no transports

 Furyou Miko wrote:


Elysian list with no fliers that needs to get into assault to do any real damage that's not BS2 auto-targetting, and can't Deep Strike its platoon because of the 50% rule.

This has a chance to be worse than mellee batlesuits

It's kind of hard to come up with a properly useless Ork list because you inevitably have to take something that could be a threat, but here's a suggestion:

Zagstruk - 65
Mek – Killsaw, Grot Oiler, Kustom Mega-Slugga - 60
30 Grots + 3 Runtherds w/ 3x Grot Prod, 3x Squighounds – 145
30 Boyz – 180
10 Meganobz w/ 10x Killsaws, 10x Bosspole – 550
Trukk w/ Boarding Plank, Extra Armour, Stikkbomb Chukka, Red Paint Job – 65
Warbuggy w/ Red Paint Job, Extra Armour, Grot Riggers, Wartrakk - 55
6 Killa Kans w/ Big Shoota, Rokkit, Grotzooka, Kustom Mega-Blasta, 2x Skorcha, 6x Extra Armour – 380

Fairly useless characters, a transport that none of the mobs can fit into, excessive and expensive wargear, no worthwhile shooting or weapons loadouts with minimal synergy and three big mobs of grots, boyz and meganobz that have to slog it across the table to get into close combat to be useful.