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Title says it all. The four most iconic and brutal monsters in Fantasy and 40k and their official models are a joke.



Look at this thing. Did someone design it with their eyes closed? Holy smokes, this goofy thing is supposed to be the pants wetting terror of Khornes legions?!

The Forgeworld modeks are excellent, but they are too big, not to mention expensive. Everyone I know uses proxies or conversions, instead of the official models.

But great Gods why cant we get some new models?
Surely GW cant think they wont sell.
   
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They will come out after the plastic Thunderhawk and before the plastic Sisters.

There.. I said it.

Anyway, I actually like the old models, but then again my Bloodthirsters have the old head which is even more goofy.

But the market is big and there are plenty, plenty of alternate models out there. Generic Big Daemon is at least a concept that GW don't claim to own.

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Forgeworld released new Greater Daemon models to be used

Heres what they look like

Bloodthirster


Great Unclean One


Keeper of Secrets


Lord of Change


The models look amazing much better then the old ones

The FW aren't actually all that big. The Bloodthirster and Lord of Change are fairly big but the Great unclean One and Keeper of secrets are fairly close in size to the older models

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I think the old Bloodthirster actually looks pretty good considering it's fairly old... They could use an update but just suck it up wait, keep using your proxies and conversions, or pay for the FW ones. They'll get released when they get released. Plenty of fantasy core troops boxes that could use an update first.
   
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I've seen people using the Glottkin model as a Great Unclean One online, but I still like the old Greater Daemon models anyway.
   
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 Yak9UT wrote:
The FW aren't actually all that big. The Bloodthirster and Lord of Change are fairly big but the Great unclean One and Keeper of secrets are fairly close in size to the older models
They're really not, it's more that x4 times the size. They're best used as the Gargantuan named characters than standard Greater Daemons.

   
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There are those rumours that GW want to include models of the FW line in their main offer. The easier part of that might be to do just bring the FW daemons. On the other hand I am not sure if it is possible to do plastic versions of the FW resin models. After all the FW resin stuff is the good one, not that crappy Finecast stuff (anything that can be done in Finecast can be done in something else I guess).

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 Murenius wrote:
There are those rumours that GW want to include models of the FW line in their main offer. The easier part of that might be to do just bring the FW daemons. On the other hand I am not sure if it is possible to do plastic versions of the FW resin models. After all the FW resin stuff is the good one, not that crappy Finecast stuff (anything that can be done in Finecast can be done in something else I guess).
I believe finecast has undercuts that can't easily be done in plastic and as crappy as the material is, it's still got sharper lines and greater detail than you can get out of plastic

But those GW combining with FW rumours have been around for years and have never come true. There was a huge increase around when the new website was released, but I remember going back to the 90's hearing similar rumours. I don't think there's any reason to believe GW is going to include FW in their standard line up.

But I agree the Greater Daemon models definitely could use an update along with the rest of the daemon lines. I really like the idea of a daemon army but GW have entirely missed the mark with the models.
   
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Agreed, the greater daemons models are definitely being left behind.
   
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Screw GW. Use the Creature Caster ones (when they get released).


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 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Screw GW. Use the Creature Caster ones (when they get released).


There doesnt seem to be any information on the site as to when they will be released.
They look cool though.

In fact I'm trying to find a decent proxy for Fateweaver. While the old GW model isn't too bad (compared to the others) the Finecast really puts me off.
If anyone has any suggestions, I'd be grateful.

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The Daemon Princes from FW can make a decent Bloodthirster or GUO. Just slap some wings from the Plastic DP kit on the Khorne DP and you're good to go.


 
   
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I personally love the FW versions of the Greater Daemons and would save up for those should I ever feel the urge to start a Chaos Daemon army.

I think the best bet for GW covering these kit would be in the form of unique Greater Daemons, like Glottkin. That way it's technically not replacing the FW models, but comes out a bit cheaper.
   
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The FW daemons are way too big (theres a reason why they cost 666, 777, 888, and 999 points a pop if you use the intended rules)

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I don't mind the goofiness of some older models like the Greater Daemons. I dig the whole "80's metal" vibe they give off, and does just enough to really make them feel like something out of a realm of nightmarish imagination as opposed to something from a physical reality.

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
 Murenius wrote:
There are those rumours that GW want to include models of the FW line in their main offer. The easier part of that might be to do just bring the FW daemons. On the other hand I am not sure if it is possible to do plastic versions of the FW resin models. After all the FW resin stuff is the good one, not that crappy Finecast stuff (anything that can be done in Finecast can be done in something else I guess).
I believe finecast has undercuts that can't easily be done in plastic and as crappy as the material is, it's still got sharper lines and greater detail than you can get out of plastic

But those GW combining with FW rumours have been around for years and have never come true. There was a huge increase around when the new website was released, but I remember going back to the 90's hearing similar rumours. I don't think there's any reason to believe GW is going to include FW in their standard line up.

But I agree the Greater Daemon models definitely could use an update along with the rest of the daemon lines. I really like the idea of a daemon army but GW have entirely missed the mark with the models.


I hope FW and GW never become one and the same, otherwise it will mean paying more for being in Australia

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Forgeworld: for the budget-conscious australian that can't afford proper games workshop models.

 
   
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 Torga_DW wrote:
Forgeworld: for the budget-conscious australian that can't afford proper games workshop models.


I don't see the point in paying for GW models when I can get better models from FW at the same price.

The reason I worry is GW might just go and say "Well hey FW your models are around the same price as ours in Australia lets make them more expensive"

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I know, it was a joke. In most countries forgeworld is the expensive alternative, here it's the cheaper alternative. There's something very wrong with that.

 
   
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Am I the only person who thinks all the FW greater daemons are rubbish except the Bloodthirster which is awesome?

For me the KoS is far too thin and weedy looking, but then I grew up with the massively muscled bull-headed one which I think gives far more of a feeling of power. The GUO has the right feel but is such a static and boring pose. The LoC is just a bigger LoC which is a cartoony and silly thing anyway.

I imagine I'll get a pasting for that, it's just my opinion! I love the Bloodthirster it is massive and impressive and looks like a combat monster.

I fully agree on the need for plastic greater daemons especially as the lesser daemons have had a reboot and look pretty good, although I don't fully like the plaguebearers which I think are just not right somehow. Daemonettes, etc are quality models though.

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chaos0xomega wrote:
The FW daemons are way too big (theres a reason why they cost 666, 777, 888, and 999 points a pop if you use the intended rules)


Yes and no, I've used the FW GUO and KoS (which fits on a 60mm base comfortably BTW) as wells as a counts as Bloodthirster model that's comfortably similar to the Fw one exclusively in my daemons, I don't own any of the gakky GW GD models, with no issue. As with most instances in-game, any advantage you may gain from a larger model is frequently outweighed by the disadvantages.

I agree that the Daemon Lord rules are too much for your common or garden friendly game, but the models are generally ok.

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