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So it's high time us.. I mean those traitors get our.. I mean their poll. Witch do you hate? Mine personally is Death Guard. I'm not a fan of Nurgle, never was. Not much a fan of those Crimson Slaughter upstars either. What about all of you?

There aren't really any Chaos factions I particularly dislike from a fluff perspective the way I dislike several of the Loyalist factions.

However, the Black Legion's "oh yeah we have all the cool stuff everyone else has" along with the constant overfocus on them gets a bit old, I'll still never know why they needed their own supplement book given that the basic CSM book is already Codex: Black Legion.

Likewise, why the Crimson Slaughter is now so huge a focus and required its own sub-codex (particularly over any Legions) is somewhat irkssome, and their fluff isn't particularly interesting, it's mostly generic "crazy bad guy" stuff. They're also one of those factions that really should be a chaos-addendum to C:SM rather than C:CSM.

Death Guard bother me because I'm simply not a fan of Nurgle, what he stands for, his followers, and his smell

Word Bearers bother me because they are mindless zealots who remind me of certain religious people in my life.

Notice I said bother, not hate. I don't really hate any Chaos Legions, they're all pretty cool!

1: Alpha Legion: "Oh yeah we're so cool and mysterious anyone can be one of us! We have so many super sekrit plans and it's arsim!".

2: Crimson Slaughter: "Never heard of us? Well, Games Workshop gave us our own supplement and all the new box art depicts our paint scheme so there!".

3: Night Lords: "We're the stealthiest of stealthiest! How do we do it with extremely loud weapons, huge soldiers and heavy armor? feth if we know!".

4: World Eaters: "We kill and we like blood. WE'RE AWESOME!".

5: Red Corsairs: "YO HO HO AND A BOTTLE OF CHAOS!".

 changerofways wrote:
Death Guard bother me because I'm simply not a fan of Nurgle, what he stands for, his followers, and his smell

Word Bearers bother me because they are mindless zealots who remind me of certain religious people in my life.

Notice I said bother, not hate. I don't really hate any Chaos Legions, they're all pretty cool!

You know I have the exact same feelings as you about those armies. I top of that I hate their primarchs

 Great White wrote:

 changerofways wrote:
Death Guard bother me because I'm simply not a fan of Nurgle, what he stands for, his followers, and his smell

Word Bearers bother me because they are mindless zealots who remind me of certain religious people in my life.

Notice I said bother, not hate. I don't really hate any Chaos Legions, they're all pretty cool!

You know I have the exact same feelings as you about those armies. I top of that I hate their primarchs

Agreed, after reading a few HH books, I've found Lorgar and Mortarion are just the worst kind of people...

EDIT: WHO HATES THE THOUSAND SONS???? 2 VOTES?

I see Crimson Slaughter has an early lead, as I suspected. I mean really, these crap bags came out of nowhere and got their own supplement, took over all the box art, and are generally shoved down your throat. Besides do we really need a THIRD red CSM army?


Also, I see that at least three of you are sods!

I hate the deathguard and basicily anything nurgle.

Feth nurgle.

He gets all the toys

Yes i am jelly.

 Lord Blackscale wrote:

Also, I see that at least three of you are sods!

What is the us equivalent of a sod?

Oh, here we fething go.

Before I start, I have a fundemental problem with the servants of Chaos - I can't quite put my finger on it, but the combination of the different factions beings SO different that they in no way, shape or form actually seem like they are from the same faction (Like, you can see that an Ultramarine and a Blood Angel is the same faction, but not really Thousand Sons and Night Lords). Their designs are too unique to seem like a whole faction, which, to me at least, make the individual so much weaker... Also, Chaos factions tend to be all over the fething place with no unified fluff, so I can't get a clear picture of who that or that faction are about, like I can with the Loyalist factions.

Now...

Death Guard: Has a great look, but have no certain goal or rivalries to fix my gaze.

Night Lords: Lighting. WHY. They are themselves kinda cool with all of their fear and stuff, but again, there's no general feel to them for me to focus on.

Word Bearers: Now these have a fething plan and something that's their thing (Chaos and Mutation), but has absolutely no motif: A screaming demon? REALLY?

Black Legion: I like the Legion the most for their "Grand Evil" thing, but again, there's nothing about their look that appear unique.

Alpha Legion: Another great one, they've got a motif, but no sepcialization - Do they use Snipers? Special grenades? How do they do their stuff?

Thousand Sons: Pissed off dust, cool. Got a motif... But it's hardly unique and fitting the units. Egyptians are cool, but so are the Necrons, and they are more subtle with it.

Emperors Children: Just... The paint scheme. Geeeeez. Again, no motif, no goal, no personality. Moving on.

Crimson Slaughter: Now these have personality. I'm not saying they're unique, but I know what they want, why they do so and what they do to get it. Nice, if reused paintscheme, though.



I'm very sorry, had to get it out of my system... Sometimes I think I just don't get the CSM and their fluff...

Word Bearers, but only just.

 Lord Blackscale wrote:
I see Crimson Slaughter has an early lead, as I suspected. I mean really, these crap bags came out of nowhere and got their own supplement, took over all the box art, and are generally shoved down your throat. Besides do we really need a THIRD red CSM army?

Fourth at least, World Eaters, Word Bearers, Red Corsairs, Crimson Slaughter, not counting any of the other various Chaos groups GW has featured over the years like the Dragon Warriors, Knights of Blood, Oracles of Change, The Sanctified, Skulltakers, Apostles of MinthRas, Company of Misery, etc

Well, obvs they need an evil Red marine army to go up against the good blue marine army. The Red vs. Blue conflict is an ancient feud going back for millennia.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Well, obvs they need an evil Red marine army to go up against the good blue marine army. The Red vs. Blue conflict is an ancient feud going back for millennia.

And Red always wins!

Can I vote SW again? I feel like there's nothing differentiating these legions because they all just boil down to triple helldrake.

Voted Thousand Sons, not quite sure why, just always found them and Tzeentch in general really dull.

What do i know though, my favourite legion the Word Bearers is winning currently.

 The Wise Dane wrote:
Oh, here we fething go.

Before I start, I have a fundemental problem with the servants of Chaos - I can't quite put my finger on it, but the combination of the different factions beings SO different that they in no way, shape or form actually seem like they are from the same faction (Like, you can see that an Ultramarine and a Blood Angel is the same faction, but not really Thousand Sons and Night Lords). Their designs are too unique to seem like a whole faction, which, to me at least, make the individual so much weaker... Also, Chaos factions tend to be all over the fething place with no unified fluff, so I can't get a clear picture of who that or that faction are about, like I can with the Loyalist factions. ...

Well they are CHAOS after all. That Is kinda the point.

@ Vaktathi - I forgot to count Word Bearers. Been reading HH novels and the grey scheme is stuck in my head.

@TheCustomLine - See above. They have had RvB for some time now.

@Great White - I have no idea. As I am American myself I don't really know what sod means, other than topsoil. Just thought it sounded apropriate.


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Also, Word Bearers took the lead!


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Also, Word Bearers took the lead!

I had read somewhere that Dark Vengeance was originally going to be Dark Angels vs Black Legion but the color schemes weren't contrasting enough so they went with red. They could have made them Word Bearers but they didn't want any of the other legions in the spotlight (with the exception of Black Legion the studio absolutely despises the original traitor legions and wishes they could just write them out of the current setting and be done with it already). So they invented a totally new renegade faction to be the red bad guys.

So yeah - I voted Crimson Slaughter.

Black Legion for me.
Generic baddies with an wholly incompetent leader.
I think literally any of the current living traitor Primarchs would do a better job of being the champion of Chaos Undivided than Abbadon.
I mean, if only he ever had a chance to put Horus back at the helm of everything......... OH WAIT HE TOTALLY DID!

I really don't understand the hatred for Crimson Slaughter. The Supplement is solid for crunch, and it isn't like GW didn't release another Legion supplement because of it. They probably, in fact, would have done nothing for CSM's.

Martel732 wrote:
Can I vote SW again?

This.

All the chaos legions generally all got something special, but also a drawback (fluffwise anyway).

Still not quite sold on how Huron maneged to get his arse kicked and then have everyone flock to his banner though, I would have thought they would have shunned him.

I like the backround of the Crimson Slaughter though, but I think they should have been another warband detailed in the CSM book (like the Purge etc) rather than being part of the DV and then getting their own supplement. It still irks me that they can take daemon engines. How on earth did they get them after being traitors for such a small period of time? Especially since they aren't meant to ally with daemons!

If you put a gun to my head and made me choose, I guess ... Red Corsairs, but I don't hate any of them, so I'm abstaining from your poll.

 HillyKarma wrote:
Black Legion for me.
Generic baddies with an wholly incompetent leader.
I think literally any of the current living traitor Primarchs would do a better job of being the champion of Chaos Undivided than Abbadon.
I mean, if only he ever had a chance to put Horus back at the helm of everything......... OH WAIT HE TOTALLY DID!

What's wrong with Abaddon? Every Black Crusade he's launched has achieved its objective (or GW just stopped advancing it half way through and now pretends it doesn't exist), he's unified the traitor legions several times, etc...

But Abaddon is like the biggest and baddest chaos guy out there for he was second to Horus

The Alpha Legion. Hands down, no question or competition.

Their fluff is awful. They are the Space Wolves of Chaos Marines in that respect. Though at least they don't have the awful models that the SW did.

The sad part is they used to be cool back in 2nd Edition.

I seriously don't get the Abaddon hate. For all we know this 13th Black Crusade is the one to topple Terra. I sometime daydream that Abaddon fights his way to the Golden Throne and just as he aproaches to deliver the death blow Cypher steps out, runs him through with the sword he carries and reveals that he is, in fact, Luthor and was always loyal, while Lion was the one who betrayed the Emperor. But I mostly like the idea of Night Lords slaughtering their way around the palace.

 Hubris wrote:
Voted Thousand Sons, not quite sure why, just always found them and Tzeentch in general really dull.

What do i know though, my favourite legion the Word Bearers is winning currently.

Well, you're wrong

YOUR OPINION IS INVALID

Always had a distaste for EC since I came up as a Khorne Dawg.

But those crappy, fething Crimson Slaughters turning up unannounced when NOBODY wanted them!! Throwing yet more faecal matter in the face of us who want Legion codexes and fluff, just took the soggy biscuit!

Even if they'd just called the book Word Bearers and be done with it, it would have gone down better.

So much hate for the Word Bearers. Is it because Lorgar was a wuss or because they are the Legion that started the heresy?

 Arschbombe wrote:
So much hate for the Word Bearers. Is it because Lorgar was a wuss or because they are the Legion that started the heresy?

A bit of both actually, and just theyre not special in the sense. All the other legions do something that makes them cool. The word bearers are just kinda there

 Great White wrote:

 Arschbombe wrote:
So much hate for the Word Bearers. Is it because Lorgar was a wuss or because they are the Legion that started the heresy?

A bit of both actually, and just theyre not special in the sense. All the other legions do something that makes them cool. The word bearers are just kinda there

That is why i love them, helped by the Anthony Reynolds set of books, they don't have an especially flashy gimmick like others, they are the "true" Chaos Space Marines, i think it is awesome that they are the proper believers.