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Someone on Warseer got theirs.

Fortunately, they're getting a replacement.

Oh good.

 AlexHolker wrote:
Someone on Warseer got theirs.
Fortunately, they're getting a replacement.

So AoW supposedly casts only a few per day .. and then send out the rejects without quality control?

decker_cky wrote:

Schmapdi wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Erm, they just did ... kind of.

Maybe he means the next update in 5 or 6 years? Felix should have most of the Indiegogo Dwarves out by then ...

Probably still be waiting for the BSB.

Yep, exactly where I was going with that. Such great detail, but then execution with the casting and shipping factor in and you get busted, but still nice looking parts.

Those hammerers are nice, but unless they are also significantly less expensive than the new GW ones, I can't see them being 'worth' it...

 Alpharius wrote:
Those hammerers are nice, but unless they are also significantly less expensive than the new GW ones, I can't see them being 'worth' it...

To be fair I imagine that it will be 35 euros, around 28.8 pounds for twenty models, like their other boxes. From GW website the hammerers box is 30 pounds for ten models. Therefore is less price for double models. I think this is quite less expensive and better offer and personally I prefer the way they look. Although the last thing is my personal opinion. But considering price is significantly less.

That is more than a fair point - and definitely pushes them into the 'no brainer' purchase over their GW counterparts!

 Azazelx wrote:
What happened to that guy who was apparently going to talk to Felix on backers' behalf, and then (apparently) convinced Felix to actually produce the BSB?

He did exactly that! However, it doesn't seem that he convinced them to actually ship the BSBs

AlexHeap, that would be fantastic, please update us if you get a shipping notice!

 AlexHolker wrote:
Someone on Warseer got theirs.

Fortunately, they're getting a replacement.

Ah... bummer on the cast. I think maybe the banner pole should have been metal, as well. Hmm...

Uh, I mean what happened to him? He's disappeared.

 AlexHeap wrote:
I emailed them a couple of days ago and apparently my standard bearer is being shipped out next week. If/when it arrives I'll make sure to get some pictures.

What I expect:

The Doomcrushers are now available to pre-order from the webstore, the set costs 35€ for 30 models and the first 100 pre-orders also get a free metal champion model.
http://www.avatars-of-war.com/eng/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&prodcode=pl11-pr&prodname=Dwarf+Doomcrushers+%2830+miniatures+preorder+deal%29&mediumcast=plastic&id=118&Itemid=115

It really looks like an amazing deal, even with the 5€ flat rate postage the deal is almost $10 cheaper than a box of GW hammerers in Oz and comes with an extra 20 models...

Mr Gutsy wrote:
The Doomcrushers are now available to pre-order from the webstore, the set costs 35€ for 30 models and the first 100 pre-orders also get a free metal champion model.

It really looks like an amazing deal, even with the 5€ flat rate postage the deal is almost $10 cheaper than a box of GW hammerers in Oz and comes with an extra 20 models...

It really is a great deal for great looking minis!

I'm hoping the wording of the deal "first 100 pre-orders get this champion for free" - means that the champion in the pre-order bundle is no longer a limited edition.

I'd like to see more of the AOW Dwarf range released (and be readily available) before I decide if I'm going to buy any or not. But if I do - I'd happily buy that champion to go with my Doomcrushers.

It never ceases to amaze me how quickly people forget that IGG and KS projects are famous for taking extremely long to fulfill. Instead it seems that far too many people assume buying into that situation *knowing full well that the product will not go into production for at least months* they are still entitled to wail and gnash their teeth as if they have been fatally wronged.

I backed the RBG barbarian Kickstarter and am still waiting on delivery. Instead of anonymously insulting the sculptor and acting as entitled as any man with a $215 investment has dared I've emailed the sculptor offering encouragement and telling him not to worry about fulfilling mine until he's gotten the problem backers out of the way. Why? I like Tre. I invested in his Kickstarter because he's a small business but produces a product I like and I wanted to help supply sufficient capital to keep him sculpting the things I like to buy. I bought into a campaign knowing he would take a while to fulfill-- he's a one-man operation without the kind of capital and resources to shrug off manufacturing delays or quality control failures. Both of those things plagued him-- it was compounded by his use of another small business to cast his items. All of this in mind I've accepted his explanations for the delays and gone on with my life. I trust that Tre will eventually fulfill and I sincerely hope that his experience with that KS won't sink his business.

I have more than enough models to paint and assemble.

If you want a product that will be delivered to you on time *DO NOT BUY INTO A KICKSTARTER*. If you do buy into one do everyone a favour and be productive instead of pumping drama out at toxic levels.

Some KS are doomed from the start-- Defiance Games has a well documented history of defrauding customers and businesses. Their owner did this with his last company as well. I could only shake my head sadly when people bought into his KS.

Some KS are a good chance to get limited items or discounted items but the price you pay includes time. These are small businesses running on advanced capital and relying on other businesses for their final product which is often made at extremely low margins. To think they can pivot on a dime and pay another manufacture to do something when their current supplier says they are running behind is madness. These companies are beholden to their suppliers/casters/etc because they can't afford to lose anything they've paid in advance. They're also run by fewer people than are required to do these things quickly. Maybe it's the mechanical engineer in my speaking here but delays in a KS fulfillment should be expected. If they fulfill in time be happy that nothing went wrong. If not think about the situation and decide whether pulling out is smart. In the case of Defiance Games the moment things went south people should have contacted their CC company and cried foul. With Tre I knew his problems were genuine and far from fraudulent.


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I dealt with Felix personally back when he only had one model on the market and was fresh from his departure from GW. He was kind, forthcoming and generous in providing a few bonus models in my order. That's the baseline-- Felix was kind and generous to me when he was capable of doing so.

At this point it appears he's overextended and his business sense may not match his sculpting skill. Regardless, he remains the man it appears he was back then-- talented, engaged and passionate. We've learned he's a bit prone to delay as well but the qualities that I like about his work haven't' changed so I will continue buying from him.

 Drake_Marcus wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me how quickly people forget that IGG and KS projects are famous for taking extremely long to fulfill. Instead it seems that far too many people assume buying into that situation *knowing full well that the product will not go into production for at least months* they are still entitled to wail and gnash their teeth as if they have been fatally wronged.

Does that apply only to the customers, or also to the businesses? Because all your BS about knowing that a crowdfunding pre-order having long delays should go double for the business who actually has first hand knowledge of how far along they are, and that makes it not just incompetence, but fraud.

 Drake_Marcus wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me how quickly people forget that IGG and KS projects are famous for taking extremely long to fulfill.

Oh good. One of those posts. You're right of course. We should just throw businesses piles of our money and they should never be held accountable to actually fulfil their ends of the bargain. After all, it's not like they're professionals in the industry or anything, right?

Felix was polite to me as well when AoW started. I bought his first several figures direct from him via emails and so forth. Then again, I was polite to him, and send him money in good faith - then and now. I didn't bother to read your entire rant - I just skimmed it, but I'm going to throw you on ignore, since I probably don't need to see whatever else it is you have to say. Ever.

Does everyone remember how AoW switched to PVC, the plastic Privateer Press uses that everyone hates?

From here.

I think skipping the not!Witch Elf preorder was the right choice.

That's certainly interesting...

Unfortunately it looks terrible. This, together with AoW absolutely terrible customer service and communication, it's constant delay of crowdfunding fullfilment might actually put another nail in their coffin. It's very sad, I think, as I like their miniatures. Just not in this sad material.

Agreed!

I'm REALLY glad I didn't jump in on this campaign now...

Well, from what I read at the link, backers still have the option to get their stuff in Warcast or get extra figures in the ...restic?

I just wish Felix would hook up with Renedra. Shieldwolf were able to do so, as apparently is the upcoming goblin kickstarter that ScarletSquig is currently wetting his pants over.

I really don't understand why people are so against AoW switching to PVC, while the material isn't the greatest to work with Warcast really wasn't anything special either. I own 3 different Warcast sets and each of them have had their own problems to some degree, the material is fairly thin in places and sometimes has this roughness about it which requires scraping with a hobby knife if you want a smoother surface. Its also prone to minor miscasts during production, for example the severed head trophies on a few of my Corruptors had the eyes/nose region fail to cast which left heads with a weirdly caved in face. Also a few fingers on the Corruptor champions pointing hand fail to cast, and my Warcast Ironshields had numerous problems with small holes along with miscast thin shoulder guards. (I had more problems, but i don't really want to write a novel here listing every small flaw...)

But lets not forget the major problem with Warcast though, the fact that AoW absolutely struggled to cast and fulfill existing orders of the stuff without endless months of silent delays. At least with PVC they're capable of producing and restocking at a relatively fast rate and actually making money off the models. Personally I'd much rather see AoW release 5-6 new PVC units and build up their range, than blow the same amount of money on a single plastic set in the hopes it will magically save their company. While hard plastic is a ton of fun to fantasize about, its completely unrealistic to expect a company in AoW's current condition to take such a huge risk on it again.

grefven wrote:
Unfortunately it looks terrible. This, together with AoW absolutely terrible customer service and communication, it's constant delay of crowdfunding fullfilment might actually put another nail in their coffin. It's very sad, I think, as I like their miniatures. Just not in this sad material.

The PVC Corruptors are actually better quality than that picture makes them appear, the PVC is a much darker shade of grey compared to Warcast which doesn't show the detail too well in that image. It also doesn't help that both sets of legs are in slightly different positions which make the severed head on the PVC legs look fairly soft by comparison.

Below are some actual painted PVC Corruptors i found on a blog, the paint jobs are a tad basic but i think they're still very effective and the models are also fairly heavily washed which helps show off some of the detail.

(Warning NSFW! the standard banner is a fairly graphic dismembered naked female torso.)
Here's the link to the blog if any wants it, this guy does a pretty good job of showing off both painted and unpainted Corruptors and even does a side by side comparison with GW's Chaos Warrior models.
http://paintsngluenrocknroll.blogspot.com.es/search/label/Chaos%20Warriors

Yowzas, now I want the Corruptors and I don't even play Nurgle. *sigh*

I agree with Gutsy - clean it up, paint it and you wouldn't be able to tell them apart (aside from the size difference).

Unless you're an amazing, award winning painter the actual small level of detail loss won't be noticeable/detrimental.

The rest is just illusion, like how for 2 years people swore that finecast models were "sharper" than their metal equivalents.

I agree with Gutsy and Schmapdi too

Some close pictures of PVC corruptors from same blog:





Advice taken from the set of instructions inside of corrupters box: Note that the porous surface of PVC plastic might obscure the detail at a first glance. Only after being primed, PVC miniatures will perfectly show all its detail.

This is a very good product which has a superb ratio quality price, the rest are nonsense and create controversy where there is none... or at least that's what I think .

ronin1973 wrote:
This is a very good product which has a superb ratio quality price, the rest are nonsense and create controversy where there is none... or at least that's what I think .

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. To me, it's quite obvious that the material looks terrible, unfortunately. The details look soft and quite bad at some parts. And that's my opinion. It's too bad, because there are some really great miniatures.

PVC does give softer edges instead of hard lines... so, it's most noticeable on armor and weapons. This is why, for example, I think Privateer Press' trollblood bodies look great in the material... but the weapons look absolutely toy-like.

These look alright to me, particularly given the price, but it's not the same as injection molded ("HIPS" high impact polystyrene) plastic.

Well look what turned up today:

That looks good! Just the bent upper half of the pole to deal with, not bad at all!

So bit of news from AoW, the Vestals have finally finished being tooled and are ready for production and the Doomcrushers have been delayed until at least September. (Although based on how long it took the production company to tool the vestals, i'm guessing the Doomcrushers won't start shipping until at least November.)

The fact that the Vestals of Nemesis tooling is taking longer than initially planned, has affected the schedule of the other molds to be tooled. Vestals of Nemesis are finally ready for production, so the delay will be no more. However, having been a considerable delay, we estimate that the Doomcrushers injection molds will be ready for production in early September instead of July.

Once again we appreciate so much your patience and we apologize for the delay before the date initially estimated July

Also AoW have released a new Dwarf model the 'Champion of Göllnir'.

Preceding the upcoming Iron Guard regiment for Warthrone, arrives the Champion of Göllnir.
The Iron Guard form the personal guard of a Dwarf king. Each Iron Guardian is appointed by the king himself, from the most courageous, skilled and tenacious of his warriors. Champions of Göllnir are the best of the chosen, only below the noble Dwarf Lords in power and command.