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I'm not mad; I'm simply perplexed.

Here's the thing about the $225 level: there's a ton of gak in it I just dont want or need. I don't want or need the hardcover and the paper back. I certainly don't want or need that stupid ass doll. That's literally half the pledge level.

It also makes their "sweet spot" level an absurdly high $225 dollars, and like I said before, one that is full of redundancies and useless crap (clearly I don't think much of that stupid doll).

I'm over the fact that Santana is the model. Do I still think it's lazy? Absolutely. I already have her so I'm not too broken up about it, but then again I'm not a henchman that was told it would be a relatively exclusive model.

I think providing the Hanging Tree is basically them going, "Man, we have a lot of this POS left from GenCon, how can we clear inventory?"

Couple that with the fact that, if you decide to back now to get Santana, you're STILL missing out on two other "early pledger" goals.

I understand why they've added Santana. I just don't agree with how they've added her.


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decker_cky wrote:

Wait and see...this will easily be reached by the end of the kickstarter - it's a significant increase in value for malifaux players, who are likely the biggest drivers of pledges. If the campaign reaches $250k, it's likely because of the addition of Santana only to the highest level (and Santana makes that much more likely).

It's an improvement to the kickstarter designed to get backers to increase their pledges. No different than the typical stretches which let people spend more money, only there's a larger step than is typically included. Getting a very cool single infantry sized model that typically sells for over $100 online is worth it to many.

Also...how does this addition hurt your inclination to pledge? It makes the top pledge better value (that was an issue) but doesn't change the value proposition of the other levels, except that it makes it more likely for the stretches to be reached (meaning that this really increases the value of the other pledges).


Our definititions of "easily" must vary quite a bit. I'll be surprised if this thing hits the $225K stretch goal. If it trends with an average $$ addition like it has been for the last two weeks, It's going to be lucky to hit $200K. Because of the penalties for not backing early, I don't see this one getting the late bump that many KSes do.

It hurts my inclination to pledge because I have no interest in upping my pledge $100 for a single model. It ONLY makes the top pledge a "better" value, and it absolutely changes the "value" of the other levels because none of them include Santana. Just like backing now is has less value than backing initially, because you've already 'lost' two 'early backer' rewards.

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 cincydooley wrote:
It also makes their "sweet spot" level an absurdly high $225 dollars


This is kind of my problem with it- that, and the redundancy (not annoyed by the maligned doll).

I feel like a more reasonable goal would have been all $125+ get a santana after the combined total hits 1000. It's both a smaller stretch and a smaller jump for some, while an immediate freebie for others (which is also the case with the current version. Either way, some will get it for free, which will feel good for them, but they'll also not be upping their pledge, so, good and bad). The biggest disadvantage here is just that santana would be proportionally less valuable in the aftermarket.


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Is it definitely the Santana figure that the henchmen got? If it was a Christmas themed KS model or alt pose that would surely prove a bigger incentive?


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I've just upped my pledge to get Santana and if turns out to be a Christmas model I'll drop it back down again! I hate Christmas novelty models.

   
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 cincydooley wrote:
I'm not mad; I'm simply perplexed.
Pretty much sums up what a lot of us feel about this project.

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 Souleater wrote:
Is it definitely the Santana figure that the henchmen got? If it was a Christmas themed KS model or alt pose that would surely prove a bigger incentive?



It is definitely Santana Ortega. This kickstarter has been very specific with it's language. Nothing says it's a kickstarter exclusive or it is any different than the normal santana ortega. It's just a play on Santa Claus via Santana Claus.

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 Alfndrate wrote:
 Souleater wrote:
Is it definitely the Santana figure that the henchmen got? If it was a Christmas themed KS model or alt pose that would surely prove a bigger incentive?



It is definitely Santana Ortega. This kickstarter has been very specific with it's language. Nothing says it's a kickstarter exclusive or it is any different than the normal santana ortega. It's just a play on Santa Claus via Santana Claus.


Not to mention they've been very specific about wanting to keep costs down (ie; the oft commented on re-using of Miss Terious, the Hanging Tree, and the possible future re-use (does that make this a pre-use?) of Hannah). Getting another sculpt and mold made up would run a bit counter to that goal.

Presumably they just made, like, 1000 Santanas, sent off a couple hundred to the henchmen, and are using (some of?) the remainder for this.

 
   
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That's only if they reach 500 $225 backers, which I really can't see happening. A few changed their level to the 225 amount, but it's not happening nearly enough for the miniature to be given.

It's a bit mean to offer something shiny to someone knowing that in all probability you'll not have to actually give it to them.
   
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~150 in 18 days, at the rate the KS has been going? Yeah, even if it happens, it's not going to be easy.

I'm even less optimistic about the 250k stretches being hit, which is a shame because even though the tree doesn't wow me per se, 'free' terrain (on top of what I'm already paying for, that is) is 'free' terrain.

Honestly, I hope they stop doing early backer rewards and have saved at least one last decent thing as a last minute bonus/boost. Obviously it can't be anything too extravagant (again with the cost minimizing thing), but something to draw in that last minute flurry of interest.

It's not too late to stir up a bit of a frenzy, and nice as Miss T is, if that's all the late comers are missing (and lets be honest here, the PDF is not something to worry about, I'm sure it'll be easily available the moment it's sent out), the right incentive could easily outweigh any reservations.

Guess we'll find out in two and a half weeks. 2 days in the quadruple digits certainly isn't cause for celebration, but at least it's a step in the right direction.

 
   
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Update #19

Salutations!

It's Mack, your friendly neighborhood game designer. I'm updating a bit early today, as I've got my own family festivities to be getting too. I hope you all don't mind, and are able to enjoy some holiday cheer with your friends and family.

Today's update won't have a lot of yammering from me. I'm saving that for when I don't have cool pictures to show. This is the current line art for the contents of the female multi-part sprue. Things are subject to change, but I thought you might like to see how it's shaping up!

So, without a furthering of the aformentioned yammerings...



 
   
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 Fenriswulf wrote:
That's only if they reach 500 $225 backers, which I really can't see happening. A few changed their level to the 225 amount, but it's not happening nearly enough for the miniature to be given.

It's a bit mean to offer something shiny to someone knowing that in all probability you'll not have to actually give it to them.


The problem is there's no real incentive to do it unless you know its going to hit 500 at the $225 pledge level. You're honestly better off buying the living room and dining room, and selling the extra tree and books. People are waiting to see if it gets close, so its goint to take a lot throwing in in good faith to get others to make the leap as well. The bad thing is if it doesn't make it, you're going to see pledges dropping down on the last day.
   
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Having pledged on the first day and then like most others been disappointed by the whole way this has been run I had left it alone for a while. Looking at it now though with the art for the multipose minis released its actually starting to look like a really good deal.

For $125 you get:

9 multipose minis (assuming legs are the limiting factor)
the Freikorps archivist
a fate deck
two books

And Miss T and the adventure for pledging early, I think I'll stay in afterall
   
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Yeah. I was extremely tentative with if my pledge would stick around at first. Now, I'm a bit more hopeful. With 17 days left, even at the slow clip, we're basically assured of the FM screen and there is even a chance of the tree being in the mix (I'm not holding my breath here about it, though). So my $125 pledge could very well yield some good results. Although, I'm really hoping they consider adding a 4th multi-pose mini, and making it 2 of each sex at something like 225k.
   
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I can't see why they wouldn't make the MPM's a general product for later purchase. It seems to have attracted some attention, and even for groups that don't use minis for combat, I think there'll be some appeal in making "your character" as a mini and painting it up.

Agreed about adding a 4th MPM and just giving us 2 of each gender. My group has 3 people at 158/269, so 3 male, 3 female and 3 random minis, but I know at least 2 people will want female boxes, possibly 4+, so depending on our luck we might have just enough, or fall a little short. Getting 6 and 6 would pretty much be perfect. Maybe toss it at $225k to help smooth out the push to 250 (again, if we even get close; I'm keeping grounded about those odds, but I agree 200 is pretty much in the bag).

Be interesting to see how the next 2 weeks go. Maybe they have some stuff in store to really 'wow' the community, but if that's the case, it's a shame it'll have taken a month to six weeks to come out, as those first 4 or so (aside from the initial 3 day drive) have been a roller coaster of optimism and talking people off ledges (Figuratively. Mostly.)

 
   
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Forar wrote:
I can't see why they wouldn't make the MPM's a general product for later purchase. It seems to have attracted some attention, and even for groups that don't use minis for combat, I think there'll be some appeal in making "your character" as a mini and painting it up.


There's no chance they wont be on sale afterwards, the only question is how much will it cost. $25 seems about right. The cost of plastic molds on these would be excessive to nto have them on sale afterwards.
   
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If they bit the bullet and put extra sprues up as an option they would walk 225, possibly even push towards 250.

Great to see this picking up a little!

Laney

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I'm slightly disappointed at the lack of the Guild Rifleman female head. That was honestly my favorite art from the female lineup.

 
   
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It is subject to change - so maybe a comment on the kickstarter might help.

   
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For those that are interested, the Multi-post minis are slated for general release. Nothing about them says Kickstarter Exclusive or Special Edition. I can find a response from Jac if you really want me to... but they've been consistent with their wording.

Kickstarter Exclusive
Hard Cover Edition of the Rules (both Player and Fatemaster's Books together)
Fate Deck
Wicked Doll
Possibly the first Penny Dreadful's digital copy

Special Edition
Hanna's sculpt (she will be a regular release with a different sculpt in the future)
Miss Terious
Santana Ortega
Technically Hanging Tree

Which leaves us with the minis, and the books. which have no special wording, and it is pretty easy to guess that they're for general release.

Thanks for getting the update Caty


Edit: Absolutionis, there is the rifle arms, and there are pieces that can get you close (first torso in the second row has a scarf that could be used for the "uncovered" face, and there are the obvious "trail legs (the first legs). You could always gank the male torso without the chain gun if they'll fit.

But I agree, the female rifleman would be a nice inclusion (especially if you want to use her as a Guild Rifleman in the skirmish game.)

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Since Alf seems to be getting lazy - Todays update!

Magia, Genus, and Immuto... OH MY.

Salutations!

It’s Mack, and I’m here with another update. I know that I enjoyed my day off celebrating Christmas with the family, and I hope you all had a nice relaxing holiday. But now it’s back to the books for me!

This time I want to treat the update a bit like a designer’s diary. Last Friday, during the Breach Side Chat, I discussed the current magic and powers system. I outlined the current system (at the time) and received some very helpful feedback. This is the sort of thing I hope to do once the preview forums go live, and all the Kickstarter backers are granted access. It’s amazing how a rule set which functions perfectly well can benefit from company outsider perspective.

So, how is our magic system looking currently? How did it change in just a few days? Well, for those of you who loved the system I proposed Friday, don’t worry. It’s still more or less there, it’s just being refined. Every character, whether they are a spell caster or not, can spend Pursuit Points (somewhat like Experience points from other games) to build magical powers tailor made to their character. Obviously, this requires some oversight by the Fatemaster, as it is intended to allow characters to customize their abilities to fit the persona, not simply give everyone the ability to throw around fireballs.

The first step is to choose one of the Magia. A Magia is the core of a spell. Currently, I have about twenty Magia sorted out. There are going to be more (lots more), it’s all dependent on how many pages I can devote to the armory and magic chapters. A Magia consists of a base Casting Cost (CC) as well as effects, and a range. Originally range was its own part of the spell formula. After chatting with fans about the system, it became clear that a default range would be far simpler, and I can allow players to change it in the Immuto (I’ll talk about that in a moment).

One example Magia might be:

Elemental Trama

Range: LOS (10 yards) CC: 7

Challenge: Sorcery + Tenacity Resist: Counter-Spelling + Resilience

Requirements: Spells based on this Magia must include one Elemental Immuto.

Effect: The target is engulfed in elemental substance and suffers 1/2/3 Damage.

It’s a simple core. The character lights someone on fire. Next, the player would choose a Genus. This is what kind of targets the spell can target. There are lots of options (currently ten, and expanding). Let’s say the character wants to light enemies on fire. So for Genus, the player chooses the following:

Autonomous (+3 CC)

This spell can target any animate target capable of moving of its own free will, such as an animal, undead, or living target. Targets that are animated through magical (or other) means are also considered autonomous (such as an animated statue controlled by another spellcaster).

This makes the Elemental Trauma spell able to target anything that would reasonably be attacking the castser. It can’t shoot bullets or a falling piano out of the air, but it’s a good all-around attack spell. It now has a CC of 10.

Lastly, the spell needs some Immuto. These are ways in which the spell is tailored even further to the character. The Magia has a requirement that the final spell includes at least one Elemental Immuto, and as we are making a fireball, Flame is chosen.

Flame (+1 or +3 CC) [Elemental]

Any elemental effects in the spell become fire based. If the spell does not deal direct damage the CC adjustment is +1, if the spell does deal damage (it has a damage value) then the CC adjustment is +3.

Flammable targets (like most people) that are damaged by a flaming attack are automatically lit on fire, and may take additional damage (see Immolation).

Additionally, 1/2/3 damage really isn’t that much. So the player might also wish to adjust the damage of the spell by taking the Alter Damage Immuto.

Alter Damage (Varies)

Damage dealt directly by the spell (but not secondary damage such as Asphyxiation or Immolation) is increased by +1/+1/+1 per +2 CC added to the spell. For instance, a spell that accepts a +4 CC would increase all direct damage by +2.

Additionally, a single damage severity may be raised by +1 per +1 CC added to the spell. No individual level may ever be equal to, or greater than, the level above it. For instance, a spell cannot have a weak damage value equal to or greater than the moderate or severe damage value.

The player chooses to bump the spell up to 3/4/5, making it a pretty hefty spell. This increases the CC by +4, to a total CC of 17. That’s quite a lot, so the player might consider taking a few other Immuto that lower the CC. He might take Distinctive (which makes it clear who cast the spell) or Draining (which makes the spell cause a Weak Critical Effect to the caster).

There you have it, however, a sample spell. This could be made by any character (who it makes sense for). However, there is another way to cast a spell. Tomes provide spellcasters with serious flexibility. A Tome has a collection of Magia, Genus, and Immuto that may all be combined with each other for a spellcaster to use. One example might be…

"Love Notes" from Saemus

This collection of rantings, diagrams, and terrible poetry contains insights into the twisted Necromantic practices of a powerful Ressurectionist. While only containing a fraction of his knowledge, it is more than enough to warrant execution for the crime of possession of illicit magics.

Magus: Minor Summoning, Combat Summoning, Healing, Interrogate

Genus: Undead

Immuto: Permanent, Alter Damage

With this tome, a spell caster can cast any of the four listed Magia, but they can only target Undead. However, he has the option to alter the damage (or in this case healing) or make the effect permanent (which requires a soulstone). Characters that begin play with certain pursuits (such as Dabbler) begin play with a single Tome, giving them magical flexibility right from the start.

And there you have it, the current magic system, in brief(ish) form. None of this is final, and there is still a bit of writing to be done, but things are clipping along nicely now, and I can't wait to be able to chat with everyone on the preview forums.

Now I just have to figure out what I’m going to talk about tomorrow!


It's a long one but I found it pretty interesting.


 
   
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Also I found it to be the most interesting update by far... I'm really hoping they let Mack keep up with the updates after Jac gets back.

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 Alfndrate wrote:
Alf's not lazy.. Alf's shoveling snow

Also I found it to be the most interesting update by far... I'm really hoping they let Mack keep up with the updates after Jac gets back.


You heared it here first folks, Alf says "Down with Jac!"

Alf, you gotta get your priorities straight... Whats more important, Gaming or Shoveling Snow?


 
   
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 Catyrpelius wrote:
 Alfndrate wrote:
Alf's not lazy.. Alf's shoveling snow

Also I found it to be the most interesting update by far... I'm really hoping they let Mack keep up with the updates after Jac gets back.


You heared it here first folks, Alf says "Down with Jac!"

Alf, you gotta get your priorities straight... Whats more important, Gaming or Shoveling Snow?


To me? gaming, to my paren... er roommates lol it's that the driveway is clear for them... idk why, they're both retired, where the hell do they have to go?

Also It's not down with Jac. She's quick on the email replies, she's helpful with henchman duties, etc... but when Mack gets going, the updates are a lot better

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 Alfndrate wrote:
 Catyrpelius wrote:
 Alfndrate wrote:
Alf's not lazy.. Alf's shoveling snow

Also I found it to be the most interesting update by far... I'm really hoping they let Mack keep up with the updates after Jac gets back.


You heared it here first folks, Alf says "Down with Jac!"

Alf, you gotta get your priorities straight... Whats more important, Gaming or Shoveling Snow?


To me? gaming, to my paren... er roommates lol it's that the driveway is clear for them... idk why, they're both retired, where the hell do they have to go?

Also It's not down with Jac. She's quick on the email replies, she's helpful with henchman duties, etc... but when Mack gets going, the updates are a lot better


Jac is the queen of telling you something without actually telling you something... Mack does a much better job of provaying excitment throguh updates.


 
   
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Latest update:

Salutations!

Short update today in the wake of yesterdays bit of long winded blather from me. We've got a fun upgrade to the female sprue, and I thought you guys might like to see it!

I'm working hard on the magic section today. As everyone is still off for the holiday there won't be another Breach Side Chat until next week, but I'll try to schedule one pretty early. For those of you wondering, the latest episode is available on ustream, and will be on Youtube as soon as everyone gets back to the office on Monday!




 
   
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I'll admit to not being the most up to date on the Malifaux universe, but I find that chainsaw... well it kinda makes me go

It's not that there is anything wrong with it per se, it's just... a big 'ol chainsaw. It looks out of place, like it belongs in a zombie survival game. I get that they are trying to spruce up the female options (which I found curiously underwhelming), but this just seems off.

Am I mistaken, is there some big faction of chainsaw users in game that I just don't know about?

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