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alright so I've like skaven for so long Ive tried to make an army of them multiple times before and just couldnt paint the models to many but im doing it this time and not giving up haha I really like the clan pestilens mainly just want to paint the army in a color scheme like them but kinda did want to keep it close to just pestilens heres a list of what I have so far everything is still on the sprue and before I put everything together im wondering which is better in the game I wanted to stick to plague stuff but I dont want an army thats going to get stomped on like I just picked up a WLC/plague catapult and didnt put it together yet cause I'm wondering which everyone thinks is better in the game I wanted to keep it the catapult cause of pestilens but am thinking the WLC is much better in the game here is a list of the models if someone could help me make a list....


1 screaming bell/plague furnace
20 plaugemonks
80 clanrats
1 warpfire thrower
1 poison wind mortor
15 giant rats
4 rat ogres
1 cheiftan
1 engineer
1 warplightning cannon/plague catapult


I'm thinking I really want to take the plague furnace iinstead of the screaming bell and then i'll just put the grey seer on foot as the warlord and im wondering if the weapons teams are even worth using also should i take the rats as clanrats or slaves im really not looking to make an army of 250 models or so but I also dont wanna take just clanrats and get beat every game so if anyone could give me there opinions and help me with a list as to what wargear and such to give the characters I would greatly appreciate it and what else to pick up I know i deffinetly need to atleast get 1 mroe box of plague monks to make a block of 40 to push the furnace.

Yea Pestilens!

alansafatslob1 wrote:
I just picked up a WLC/plague catapult and didnt put it together yet cause I'm wondering which everyone thinks is better in the game I wanted to keep it the catapult cause of pestilens but am thinking the WLC is much better in the game

How about one of each? But yes, the WLC is oodles better. The catapult has swung up a bit in usefulness with the rise of all the elf armies though - more T3 for the melting!

I'm thinking I really want to take the plague furnace iinstead of the screaming bell and then i'll just put the grey seer on foot as the warlord ... I know i deffinetly need to atleast get 1 mroe box of plague monks to make a block of 40 to push the furnace.

Sounds like a plan: plague seer on foot, priest on furnace in a crapton of monks (with the plague banner) for great deathstar power. Be sure to take at least one handful of plague censer bearers - I run them without a furnace and greatly enjoy having them around, having them synergize with the furnace would be even better. I've run them in units of 5-15 and tend to have more luck with 1x12 or so, but again I didn't have a furnace to help them stick around.

im wondering if the weapons teams are even worth using

I run 3x mortars and love them, and before that I ran 3x ratling guns and was ok with them. But most players will tell you all weapon teams aren't good, and that's more or less true - they aren't well supported by the rules (easy to target, easy to take out, easy to get VP from). Since you've got a couple and are probably running at least one clanrat block you might give one a shot? I prefer mortar over flamer, for ease of actually shooting it.

also should i take the rats as clanrats or slaves im really not looking to make an army of 250 models or so but I also dont wanna take just clanrats and get beat every game

I hate clanrats, but unless you want to take stormvermin or 200 slaves, you're going to need at least a few clanrats. Probably like ~30 to act as the seer's bunker? Add a weapon team, then dump all the rest of your core points into slaves (with musicians). Should be like 130 models all told? Not a bad start

I can take a stab at being more specific if you like, but those are my opening thoughts. Pestilens deathstar + censers + catapult + plague magic seer for all the Pestilens flavor, WLC + skaven-y core to round out.

EDIT: If it helps, this online army builder program is still up to date for Skaven (showing how old the book is ) - http://www.rengels.de/warhammer/lists/skaven/skaven.php

- Salvage

The WLC is spot on, i cant tell you how many dwarven artillary they have taken out or distracted over the course of my games. The important things you have are the clanrats and cheiftain, run a unit of 30 clanrats with the mortar and a narrow frontage tarpit of slaves to tie down units for the plague monks to flank.
If you have the funds pick up an abomination or another 40 plague monks. A unit of twenty with the furnace wont take shooting and occasional casulaties from the chariot itself and that big model will take attention like no other especially if your opponent knows what it does and the fact is has MR and not a ward save.
The most important factor is using that iob chieftain as your BSB. Give him either storm banner if you know there is alot of shooting or a ToP to keep him alive a little longer. Stick him in that unit of clanrats behind or flanking the slaves and monks. Rat ogres are good in paper but they need something to shield them in a small flanking unit like that. Give that warlock no wizard level and just run him with the doom rocket. Ive had loads of fun with it killing tons of my own troops as well aas failing spectacularly. Just remember keep that greyseer in the rear and minimize his risk of miscast somehow if he is your general. Pestilens is fun to play and death on T3 armies.

 Gorthor21 wrote:
much meta, such skyre, wow

That said Gort has plenty of good advice if you want a more standard, more WAAC-y Skaven army. I've actually heard good arguments in favor of not doubling up on plague monks, as without a furnace, and especially without a plague banner, monks just aren't that hot.

If you're interested, I smashed a list together that's pretty Pestilens-y without being totally toothless ...
List uses everything* from your model list except the fire thrower and the engineer, which you'll probably wheel out in a future list.

- Salvage

*Use the rat ogres as unit fillers in the slaves

thanks I appreciate the help I'll probably go something similiar to the list you wrote but im thinking about throwing a doomwheel in there as well and are the censer bearers worth it i havnt really checked them out much?

censorbearers can really do some damage if applied right. Once had 8 recieve a griffon prince charge, killed the prince from toughness tests,griffon just sits there as the monk horde keeps marching on.

alansafatslob1 wrote:
thanks I appreciate the help I'll probably go something similiar to the list you wrote but im thinking about throwing a doomwheel in there as well and are the censer bearers worth it i havnt really checked them out much?

Doomwheels are pretty brilliant ... but not Pestilens so I left them out You could totes swap 10 censers for a wheel - but seriously, you should take at least a solid unit of censers! Pestilens dude! Also they're one of the few competent fighters in the whole army! (At least for 1 round )

- Salvage

I just started playing fantasy again and have yet to pick up the newest rulebook and I was wondering if someone could tell me in a 2000 point army how many pts have to be spent on core units/rares/special/heros and lords thanks.

For a 2000 point army, your point allotments look like:

Lords
0-1000*
Heroes
0-1000*
Core
500+
Special
0-1000
Rare
0-500

And you also need to observe the minimum composition rules for an army:
- at least 1 character who can act as general (i.e. not a BSB, unless he's a Slann, who can be both)
- at least 3 units

*Due to the above requirement of having a general, your lords and heroes categories won't ever both be 0

You shouldn't have problems filling the minimum requirements with Skaven, though you'll need to watch your rares points, as the rats are flush with excellent choices.

- Salvage

yeah definitely I love the rare choices in skaven I'd really like to get my paws on a hellpit abomination but thinking about going with either 1 WLC and 2 doomwheels or 2 doomwheels n 1 WLC or 1 doomwheel 1 WLC and 1 plague catapult I love the HPA but seems like so many pts when you could get almost 3 WLC for the same pricec


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also just got a nice deal on here for 80 more clanrats and I originally wasn't going to take slaves but now that Ill have 160 clanrats total im thinking about taking 3 units of 42 slaves 6by7 formation I read everything that they are the best unit in the skaven army book but I really don't see how other than the fact that you can hold up your opponents units and shoot into them still and then flank with your better units but just seems like ALOTTTTTTTT of painting to me I'm not sure how anyone actually fields a completely painted skaven army I can only imagine the time it takes to paint one and im not looking forward to it but also cant wait to see the finished product