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So now that pictures of White Dwarf confirming the Harlequin Dataslate are circling who thinks they'll use it?

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 tikhunt wrote:
So now that pictures of White Dwarf confirming the Harlequin Dataslate are circling who thinks they'll use it?

Edit for Clarity.

I'll be honest the Solitare model and rules look badass enough that I think I will use it for a replacement Eversor.

 Quickjager wrote:

I'll be honest the Solitare model and rules look badass enough that I think I will use it for a replacement Eversor.

Yes the Solitaire caught my attention too,

I'm thinking of using them with the Eldar Corsair list as I'm a huge fan of Eldar but dislike their current rules.

 tikhunt wrote:

 Quickjager wrote:

I'll be honest the Solitare model and rules look badass enough that I think I will use it for a replacement Eversor.

Yes the Solitaire caught my attention too,

I'm thinking of using them with the Eldar Corsair list as I'm a huge fan of Eldar but dislike their current rules.

I'm kinda hoping this suppliment leads to a more focus on assault units from GW, because these guys are assault BEASTS. When do you think the Eldar codex will come out? Seeing that this has the Bladestorm rules still I don't see it for at least another year.

 Quickjager wrote:

 tikhunt wrote:

 Quickjager wrote:

I'll be honest the Solitare model and rules look badass enough that I think I will use it for a replacement Eversor.

Yes the Solitaire caught my attention too,

I'm thinking of using them with the Eldar Corsair list as I'm a huge fan of Eldar but dislike their current rules.

I'm kinda hoping this suppliment leads to a more focus on assault units from GW, because these guys are assault BEASTS. When do you think the Eldar codex will come out? Seeing that this has the Bladestorm rules still I don't see it for at least another year.

I doubt we'll see an eldar codex in 7th edition. in fact I'd be suprised if any hard cover 'dexes got an update. my guess is the next year or two will be supplements and "new dexes"

I was pleased to see flip belts gained an extra sentence saying that they are not slowed by difficult terrain AND do not suffer the initiative penalty for assaulting through it.

Do you think any other things that Move Through Cover will get that extra sentence? Would make a HUGE difference to a lot of units.

Genestealers need it to make them playable, yes please.

 Slaanesh-Devotee wrote:
I was pleased to see flip belts gained an extra sentence saying that they are not slowed by difficult terrain AND do not suffer the initiative penalty for assaulting through it.

Do you think any other things that Move Through Cover will get that extra sentence? Would make a HUGE difference to a lot of units.

Well a part of me thinks that anything with move through cover should naturally get it and that it will obviously help assault and may be able to change the meta up a little. But then a part of me is saying "No, that's our super secret special clown elf special rule and should be unique to them."
Alas the former is probably right.

This dataslate is making me wish that I didn't sell my Eldar....

Definitely picking it up. I'm in the process of building up an Eldar/Dark Eldar corsairs list, and Harlequins will fit right in.

 Envihon wrote:
This dataslate is making me wish that I didn't sell my Eldar....

I doubt they'll only ally with Eldar.

Seeing as everything these days seems to be getting a dataslate, I don't see why having another one for these should be neglected.

I won't be buying it how ever, GW has enough of my money and additional fringe-units like these that require even more rules to be bought (likely at a high price for content) just doesn't do it for me.

I gotta be completely honest - I was looking forward to the new models, and frankly, I'm not impressed. They aren't what I suspected they'd be... The Solitare in particular isn't what I expected. They seem weirdly static, compared to what they are supposed to look like to me

Anyway, the rules look decent. Nothing major, nothing minor - Pretty good. Are properly fun for smaller games I'd guess.

Outright better than their current rules, sure, but I think they still make Banshees look good. Still getting them, though.

 Slaanesh-Devotee wrote:
I was pleased to see flip belts gained an extra sentence saying that they are not slowed by difficult terrain AND do not suffer the initiative penalty for assaulting through it.

Do you think any other things that Move Through Cover will get that extra sentence? Would make a HUGE difference to a lot of units.

Does this mean they don't suffer the -2 to their assault roll when charging a unit in cover? Otherwise it doesn't matter as Hariles have assault grenades so they still strike at initiative even when the enemy is in cover.

They already have that part of the rule. It is quite specifically *not* move through cover, though, so I highly doubt this is a sign of future changes to Move through Cover, as the not-slowed thing predates 7th edition.

So its a special Harlie thing. Some other units have similar, but dont expect it on Genestealers or Scorpions any time soon.

I like them. Quite a lot. That's no small achievement considering the Laughing God and his troupe of pointy-eared murderclowns was one of those bits of Eldar fluff I had willingly chosen to ignore.

No it's a separate rule from the same piece of equipment that gives move through cover (flip belts).


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Honestly the Solitaire reads to me like someone decided Assassins were too good and felt Eldar needed a better version.

 tikhunt wrote:

Honestly the Solitaire reads to me like someone decided Assassins were too good and felt Eldar needed a better version.

How is he better than a culexus assassin and how can you compare him to a vindicare assassin?

The Solitaire and its shenanigans aren't new by any means. Was even in DoW back in the day.

And the Flip Belt doesn't mention Move through Cover at all. Effects may be related, but there is no link between the two, and no reason to believe they will in the future.

Bharring wrote:
The Solitaire and its shenanigans aren't new by any means. Was even in DoW back in the day.

Solitaires being total badasses have existed longer than today's Space Marines.

By that I mean Solitaires were existent while Space Marines were drugged up, human prisoners with T3 and 4+ saves.

 Zewrath wrote:


How is he better than a culexus assassin and how can you compare him to a vindicare assassin?

Better may not be the correct term but he can do a little that each of them can (barring the vindicare really) and so i'd say he's a better choice.




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Bharring wrote:
The Solitaire and its shenanigans aren't new by any means. Was even in DoW back in the day.

And the Flip Belt doesn't mention Move through Cover at all. Effects may be related, but there is no link between the two, and no reason to believe they will in the future.

Of course they aren't going to but it certainly might help some assault units quite a bit.

 Skinnereal wrote:

 Envihon wrote:
This dataslate is making me wish that I didn't sell my Eldar....

I doubt they'll only ally with Eldar.

Eldar was the only army that I had that they probably will ally with, the rest of my stuff is Imperials and we have our own kinds of Harlequins...

most of the models are T3, with a 5++.

solitaire has EW but is Toughness 3 with a 3++

he is not an IC so he cannot join an unit, and cannot be joined by an IC due to his special rules, so he is always solo.

EW is great, 3++ is great, but 3 wounds and toughness 3 means hes as hard to kill as 3 sisters of battle versus a lot of guns.

Ie weapons that don't have good ap, 10 tac marines rapid firing solitaire= 20 shots, 14 hits, 10 wounds, solitaire saves 6 of them= dead solitaire.

So you need to play where there is lots of terrain that just completely blocks line of sight.

Im buying 2 of them, but they wont see play ever most likely. Depends on what the enigmas of the black library do.

blaktoof wrote:
most of the models are T3, with a 5++.

solitaire has EW but is Toughness 3 with a 3++

he is not an IC so he cannot join an unit, and cannot be joined by an IC due to his special rules, so he is always solo.

EW is great, 3++ is great, but 3 wounds and toughness 3 means hes as hard to kill as 3 sisters of battle versus a lot of guns.

Ie weapons that don't have good ap, 10 tac marines rapid firing solitaire= 20 shots, 14 hits, 10 wounds, solitaire saves 6 of them= dead solitaire.

So you need to play where there is lots of terrain that just completely blocks line of sight.

Im buying 2 of them, but they wont see play ever most likely. Depends on what the enigmas of the black library do.

But they could provide a good distraction for your opponent. You could ignore it because you don't want to waste your shots but then its in your face and it will start to wreck face or your opponent decides to waste a bunch of shots at it. Either way, it screws with your opponents target priority much like the Assassins do for the Imperium. Probably won't see them in point efficient tournament lists but it would be fun to screw around with and watch your opponent sweat about them for a turn or 2. That being said, there is a reason why I don't bring assassins regularly.

 The Wise Dane wrote:
I gotta be completely honest - I was looking forward to the new models, and frankly, I'm not impressed. They aren't what I suspected they'd be... The Solitare in particular isn't what I expected. They seem weirdly static, compared to what they are supposed to look like to me

Anyway, the rules look decent. Nothing major, nothing minor - Pretty good. Are properly fun for smaller games I'd guess.

Static?! We can't be looking at the same models... I think they look fantastic. I don't know the rules for them yet, but I'm almost certainly going to be getting a troupe for my Eldar with a solitaire and death jester and all that jazz. I love their fluff and they hardly seem unplayable on the tabletop, at least from what I've heard.