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Hey Guys - been fidlin with Sisters of Battle / Adepta Sororitas for a while - but cant decide on what kind of army I like - here are 2 options.

What do people think?


+ HQ (135pts) +

Saint Celestine (135pts) [Act of Faith: Miraculous Intervention, Armour of Saint Katherine, Frag & Krak Grenades, Jump Pack, The Ardent Blade]

+ Troops (426pts) +

Battle Sister Squad (152pts) [Act of Faith: Light of the Emperor, 5x Battle Sisters, Bolt Pistol, Boltgun, Frag & Krak Grenades, Meltagun, Meltagun]
Immolator [Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Twin-Linked Multi-Melta]
Sister Superior [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

Battle Sister Squad (142pts) [Act of Faith: Light of the Emperor, 5x Battle Sisters, Bolt Pistol, Boltgun, Flamer, Flamer, Frag & Krak Grenades]
Immolator [Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Twin-Linked Heavy Flamer]
Sister Superior [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

Battle Sister Squad (132pts) [Act of Faith: Light of the Emperor, 5x Battle Sisters, Bolt Pistol, Boltgun, Frag & Krak Grenades]
Immolator [Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Twin-Linked Heavy Flamer]
Sister Superior [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

+ Fast Attack (140pts) +

Seraphim Squad (140pts) [Act of Faith: The Emperor's Deliverance, Frag & Krak Grenades, Jump Pack, 7x Seraphim, 2x Two Hand Flamers]
Seraphim Superior [Melta Bombs]

+ Heavy Support (295pts) +

Avenger Strike Fighter (FW) (170pts) [Two Hellfury Missiles]

Exorcist (125pts) [Exorcist Missile Launcher, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers]

OR THIS ONE



+ No Force Org Slot (25pts) +

Ministorum Priest (25pts) [Close Combat Weapon, Frag & Krak Grenades, Laspistol, Rosarius]

+ HQ (235pts) +

Saint Celestine (135pts) [Act of Faith: Miraculous Intervention, Armour of Saint Katherine, Frag & Krak Grenades, Jump Pack, The Ardent Blade]

Uriah Jacobus, Protector of the Faith (100pts) [Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, Frag & Krak Grenades, Rosarius, The Banner of Sanctity, The Redeemer]

+ Troops (373pts) +

Battle Sister Squad (152pts) [Act of Faith: Light of the Emperor, 5x Battle Sisters, Bolt Pistol, Boltgun, Frag & Krak Grenades, Meltagun, Meltagun]
Immolator [Searchlight, Smoke Launchers, Twin-Linked Multi-Melta]
Sister Superior [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

Battle Sister Squad (221pts) [Act of Faith: Light of the Emperor, 17x Battle Sisters, Bolt Pistol, Boltgun, Flamer, Frag & Krak Grenades]
Sister Superior [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

+ Fast Attack (110pts) +

Seraphim Squad (110pts) [Act of Faith: The Emperor's Deliverance, Frag & Krak Grenades, Jump Pack, 5x Seraphim, 2x Two Hand Flamers]
Seraphim Superior [Melta Bombs]

+ Heavy Support (250pts) +

Exorcist (125pts) [Exorcist Missile Launcher, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers]

Exorcist (125pts) [Exorcist Missile Launcher, Searchlight, Smoke Launchers]

What sort of games are you looking to play - friendly or competative?

Do you already have models?

Whats do your opponents play?

I play weekly at a pub club with chill levels of comp and the occasional bit of filth (everything represented).

Assume money is no object - but I wont take knights or ally.

Assume I want to win games but my family will be safe if I don't.

Hahaha. Well first things dude. Try writing your list like this.

Battle sister squad - 8 x sisters, 1 x melta gun X amount of points.

Don't list all the special rules and basic wargear as it makes it harder to read and you'll get less replies.

Onto your list,

At this points level your pretty much going up the right street. I don't know how flyer heavy your meta is at this points level but if you can drop the flyer from the first list and put another excorcist in then you will be balling. St Celestine with a full compliment of seraphim is delicious. Msu sisters in immolators is delicious. I would put multi meltas on all your immos though. And use the points left over to give the last sister squad dual Flamers. Any points left over still then get more seraphim.

Definatley list one for me.

Yeah - I got lazy with BScribe - I usually present better.

Cool - I just had access to a possible cheap avenger and I liked the model - maybe at a higher points level eh?

So it looks like the optimised build is pretty much just immo spam plus melta's + organ rockets? (I mean if Im not throwing knights in)

Man, I really wanna put sisters on horses for some reason.

The second one will be a lot more fun.

Yeah - it would. My heart kinda wants a blob squad to fisti-cuffs some heresy.

Its hardly a weak selection either. Do I swap Immo for rhino and more sisters?

Im aware im not taking outflanking meltas....here....

At 1000 points, the blob will serve you well. You'll want to get some meltabombs in the blob in case someone gets a knight on the table though.

Good point - will do.

If you want a fun blob for fluffy play to just punch people to death, try 8 celestians + Uriah + Priest with Litanies. You auto pass all AoF and Hymns. In close combat you have a 5++ rerollable and either rerolling to wound or a smashing priest. Plus, poweraxe on the superior. Costs a ton of points, but is ridiculously tough in melee, compared to what people will be expecting.

Also, a nasty squad that makes even knights shake in their boots is the dominions. Take 5 in an immolator, with all the meltas. Scout 12 inches, then move 6, disembark 6, shoot TL multimelta at one thing, use AoF to blast something at point-blank with 4(5 if you take a combi-melta on the superior) BS 4 Melta guns that ignore cover.

Merry Christmas, ya dirty rat.


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I said celestians over sistes due to the +1 WS and +1 A


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Plus plus Uriah's 12" bubble of Fearless and Counter Attack

oooh fun - nobodies mentioned celestians for a while. But hold the phone - you're telling me my dominion immo can also scout?

Well thats cool.

Your celestian idea looks to clock in at about 262 with all bells n whistles - but celestians are just 2+ pts for +1A +1LD (though in this scenario they are fearless) and +1WS - which is quite the brucie bonus.

A 20 blog with Urine / bells n whistles ect looks to be around 430pts. Il build a list for this later. (also having both counter attack and furious charge is a bit of a lol).




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Oh what - maximum unit size 10 - fluck you codex. Gragh!

But then again - the fearless is a bubble rather than with a unit ability - would a blog of sisters to the front and side backed up by punchy celestians to the back and side be a good idea?

Possible list -

+ No Force Org Slot (25pts) +

Ministorum Priest (25pts) [Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol]

+ HQ (235pts) +

Saint Celestine (135pts)

Uriah Jacobus, Protector of the Faith (100pts)

+ Elites (140pts) +

Celestian Squad (140pts) [9x Celestians]
Celestian Superior [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

+ Troops (361pts) +

Battle Sister Squad (140pts) [4x Battle Sisters, Meltagun, Meltagun]
Immolator [Twin-Linked Multi-Melta]
Sister Superior [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

Battle Sister Squad (221pts) [12x Battle Sisters, Flamer]
Immolator [Twin-Linked Heavy Flamer]
Sister Superior [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

+ Fast Attack (110pts) +

Seraphim Squad (110pts) [5x Seraphim, 2x Two Hand Flamers]
Seraphim Superior [Melta Bombs]

+ Heavy Support (125pts) +

Exorcist (125pts)

Unless your name is st Celestine sisters generally suck in cc. Celestians may have +1 weapon skill and an extra attack but they have strength 3. Which limits them massively. Save the points and take basic shooty sisters or dominions for scouting ignore cover meltas.

Well maybe but let me remind you what your getting for your money - approx 265pts for jake, priestly and 10 sisters.

Charging

41 attacks - +1 strength - +1 Int Re-rolling wounds (if passing ld9 Hym) (or failed I + A saves) and hits (1st round hatred). (4 attacks from jake and 3 from priestly).

Being Charged

Chunky Overwatch

then

31 attacks - rerolling hits n wounds (or failed saves) (4 attacks from jake and 2 from priestly).

All 5++ saves

But then again - mo trouble with objectives.....








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on 2nd thought maybe this still works better with normal sisters?

Don't forget if your foot slogging, no where near 10 Celestians will make it across the board moving 6' a turn. If you go on a rhino and it makes it across you still have to wait a turn after dismounting before you can charge. Plenty of time for t3 sisters to be shot to pieces. No one worth their salt will ignore jacobus and Celestians in front of his lines

So just bigger basic blog for Jake?

(natural expansion into mo organ rockets n sisters/dominions)

Yeah, the big sisters blob is better than the celestian blob, imo.

For bigger games any 'o you reckon the strike fighter deserves a Heavy slot?

 WallofMeat wrote:
For bigger games any 'o you reckon the strike fighter deserves a Heavy slot?

I never have room for it. I consider 2 Exorcists and either 1 exorcist or 1 ret squad pretty mandatory.

Do you take flying sisters?

 WallofMeat wrote:
Do you take flying sisters?

You mean Seraphim? Not in serious lists above 1000 points.

Yumm. Doms can scout in their immolator. Dedicated transport. Can also outflank with it. And, in a pinch, the squad can -try- to ice fliers, since they can ignore cover/jink. Not a great option, but in a pinch. . . .

Yeah, usually people go for more sisters. But at only +2 pts, you'd get one extra sister for every 6 celestians. In low pt games, sometimes the extra oomph helps. Plus, dont forget in CC they'll be rerolling that 5++ AND one other option(smash, reroll to-wound). And with the priest carrying the litanies, all AoF and War Hymns go off automatically. Plus, doesnt Jake's banner confer counterattack? In CC, the -1T is more than offset by the rerollable 3+/5++. I mean, with that you'd even be making a nob with a PK work to kill everyone off. I dont like to walk sisters, in my local meta too many people just sit back and peck at them, so mounting them is mandatory. Thus, celestians work a bit better in that scenario.

Its really one of those "what do you like more" situations. I like to just be a fudger of a mobile wall. With the fearless bubble, I just scootch as far as I can, then let my enemies get stuck having to kill every damn sister.

In low point games, sisters really do well, if you are wise. You gotta out number SM guys, and out-elite(as it were) IG/horde guys. Take only 1 HQ, no matter how cool it may seem, and get those bodies on the floor.

Fearless and counter-attack in a 12" bubble, yep.


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The SoB blob makes a great deployment for a fast HQ. Put Celestine and a Wolf Lord on TWM (plus iron priests on TWM, if you have the points), then they can't just scoot back because you can reach out and touch them.

Sorry, I noticed your diff: I usually run a rhino with Jake, Priest w/litanies, 8 celestians.


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 pretre wrote:
Fearless and counter-attack in a 12" bubble, yep.


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The SoB blob makes a great deployment for a fast HQ. Put Celestine and a Wolf Lord on TWM (plus iron priests on TWM, if you have the points), then they can't just scoot back because you can reach out and touch them.

I dont usually take allies with my SoB, just them.

BossMakk wrote:
Sorry, I noticed your diff: I usually run a rhino with Jake, Priest w/litanies, 8 celestians.

Ugh. That means that even when you get out you have to suffer a round of firing while you pull your pudd. I'd rather walk and get the extra bodies.


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BossMakk wrote:
The SoB blob makes a great deployment for a fast HQ. Put Celestine and a Wolf Lord on TWM (plus iron priests on TWM, if you have the points), then they can't just scoot back because you can reach out and touch them.

I dont usually take allies with my SoB, just them.

Nah. I make them work for it. I use the rhino as a mobile bunker, and blast away out of it.

Sure, blob of SoB is okay. its however you wanna play. Like I had said, in my local meta footslogging sisters is a way to waste a game doing nothing. And Celestine is okay, but really not that great IMO. She got a lot worse, now that she can only get up once. She might murk a few people, but honestly, in a blob, I dont see her doing enough to justify bringing her AND Jake at only 1000


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At only 3 more sisters, Id rather the ride.

3 more sisters for just the ride, plus the difference in points for Celestians.

People underestimate Celestine. She does great work and doesn't need multiple standups.

To each his own though...

Yeah, it's like when I talk with my roomie about army lists. One can cut around and around in circles, but until dice start rolling and you find out what plays best for you, it's really just an infinite game of point and counter-point.

Hey - you know - it kinda felt like the sera's were a bit meh to me - more useful in 1500pt games - I will def still buy a box.

I was thinking you know what rocks - TC Pask - you know whats kinda like Pask? (Retributors) Suddenly there was a points void to fill - what do you think bout this? -

(Im thinking Rets > Exo here due to flexibility on hoard/heavy/vehicle killing / greater rate of fire - I mean the rest of the list is killing vehicles pretty well anyway)

+ No Force Org Slot (25pts) +

Ministorum Priest (25pts) [Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol]

+ HQ (100pts) +

Uriah Jacobus, Protector of the Faith (100pts) - REALLY WANT A DIFFERENT MODEL HERE. MIGHT SUB IN N CONVERT KIROV.

+ Troops (361pts) +

Battle Sister Squad (152pts) [5x Battle Sisters, Meltagun, Meltagun]
Immolator [Twin-Linked Multi-Melta]
Sister Superior [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

Battle Sister Squad (209pts) [16x Battle Sisters, Flamer]
Sister Superior [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

+ Fast Attack (165pts) +

Dominion Squad (165pts) [4x Dominions, 4x Meltagun]
Dominion Superior [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]
Immolator [Twin-Linked Melta Death]

+ Heavy Support (347pts) +

Exorcist (125pts)

Retributor Squad (122pts) [4x Heavy Bolter, Simulacrum Imperialis]
Retributor Superior [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

Retributor Squad (100pts) [4x Heavy Bolter]
Retributor Superior [Bolt Pistol, Boltgun]

I would only take one squad of Rets and get them a bastion.

Drastically increases their awesomeness.


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Also, if you're going to go rets and don't have priests, then skip the big blob of sisters and get them a ride (5 girls, 2 melta, Rhino).

Also, have you thought about repressors?

Eeh, repressors are mediocre, at best. A big points increase for very little in return. I'd rather get more rhinos. They're okay if you have a command squad just lurking in your backfield for Aura stuff and you're careful about facings.

If you really want transports that suit SoB, ally in space wolves for the drop pods. Big trouble right there, like with Rets and heavy flamers. Mmmmm......