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So this happened.



Any shops putting WHFB on clearance yet?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
So this happened.



Any shops putting WHFB on clearance yet?

I would've the moment I found out thy were changing the game.

For a guy who doesn't exactly follow WHFB, what just happened?

This happened:

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If I were a store owner, I'd be eyeing my WHFB racks and feeling mighty uncomfortable right about now.

Rocks fall. Everyone dies. The end. Sucks to be you, WFB fans.

We just ignore the book and play as normal.

The one guy in the group that DOES take tourney play "seriously" just keeps playing the same broken crap he's always done - and he left the group anyway, so we don't actually care much.

We had 40 people at our Warhams tournament last saturday, I doubt its going anywhere soon.

This is a refresh on fluff, I don't see any suggestion of GW basically dropping what 25-40% of their turnover.

WHFB "unbound" would be my bet.

Like the above poster WHFB is still very popular at my club and most the others nearby too.

 notprop wrote:
This is a refresh on fluff, I don't see any suggestion of GW basically dropping what 25-40% of their turnover.

WHFB "unbound" would be my bet.

Like the above poster WHFB is still very popular at my club and most the others nearby too.

WHFB is (apparently) only about 8% of GWs turnover now, which is probably one of the main reasons for the big 'bang'

but I agree that a lot more of the old stuff will survive the transition than some expect (but no finecast or metal, and probably nothing that looks too much like any traditional historical range from a competitor)

I still seem to be lost. As far as I can tell GW are doing some major event in the run up to a new edition. Why would anyone be putting WHFB on clearance? Or are we assuming again that the sky is falling because something is changing?

It's up for a significant reboot, with supposedly a lot of stuff becoming redundant afterwards.

 Steve steveson wrote:
....... Or are we assuming again that the sky is falling because something is changing?

Bingo!

Steve: The event was End Times. What Kyoto posted was the end of End Times, and that's affecting 9th ed. The strong rumours coming through are that the background is radically changed, and so are the nature of the armies and rules mechanics, to some extent. The hints include six factions of indeterminate race or allegiance, save one comprised of some kind of superhumans (ostensibly imitating 40K's space marines and hopefully their success) and reduction of the game size to 'skirmish' (likely more 40K or Warmachine 'skirmish' than Mordheim 'skirmish'). It's not known which current races will be canned, if any, how compatible they'll be with the new rules, and how scalable the rules will be; but a lot of people with large armies of threatened factions are treading on eggshells.

It's shaping up to be a considerable revamp, with smaller, more steampunk armies existing in multiple micro-universe 'bubbles'. The smaller cost of entry will be easier for new players, but it remains to be seen if enough of them will care, and if they'll make up for the alienation of a lot of existing players, who're already staying away in droves.
Game shops with a lot of current WFB stock on the shelves could find it difficult to shift, between people dropping out and people moving on to the new minis. Sure there'll be folk sticking with 8th ed or earlier, but given the general craving for 'official, current' GW products (some of those dropouts are immediately putting their big, old, slaved-over armies on ebay, as if they had some kind of 'use by' or 'not compatible with' label that suddenly expired) I'm sceptical that there'll be significant numbers.

Herzlos wrote:
It's up for a significant reboot, with supposedly a lot of stuff becoming redundant afterwards.

A lot of stuff becoming redundant would be really bad news to armies and players.

Notprop: there are a lot of Cassandras here, but y'know, nobody believed Cassandra until the sky actually fell.

9th ed will either save or kill WFB: at this point 'selling the same as before' will likely kill it. And given that GW's more popular skirmish game, with all it's moneymaking idiosyncracies and foibles, isn't stemming the fall in sales too well, I have a feeling GW doesn't really know how to pull this off.

Is that the doris that was in Only Fools and Horses?

Must have missed that one.

Anyway infinite internet monkeys and typewriters and all that.....whatever name they go by most of what has been put on Dakka is pure speculation.

Cue Dallas shower do over in 3...2...1

Go on, stick your fingers in your ears some more. Pretend it's not happening, despite the fact that it's all progressing according to the rumours.

I think you need to poke your fingers somewhere else, but that's not really my business.

All I've said is that there is no evidence of anything at the moment except the fluff change that has been the subject of 5 published books to date that have added to the model range rather than lessened it.

What's definitely happening o' seer?

Yeah everyone, rumours!

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
WHFB is (apparently) only about 8% of GWs turnover now

I've heard enough rumours to the contrary to believe that's not true. At most I think it MIGHT be true in the USA, but I think globally it's got to be more than that.

Pro-rumour opinions are backed up by strong sources and GW's track record of messing things around and dropping properties that aren't doing so well like they were a snake. As far as I can see, anti-rumour opinions are backed up by sheer disbelief, personal remarks and... not much else. If that's your level of persuasion, Notprop, I feel fairly confident.

I havent seen any evidence for either side, Ive seen a bunch of unsubstantiated rumour mongering but not much else.

Even if (and it is an if, no matter what anyone says) they change WarHams into a skirmish style game, people will still play large battles with the current rules.

Evidence?

People still play WAB fairly extensively and thats been OOP for years, The community is strong enough for WAB that we still have an annual sold out tournament.
I have no doubt Warhams would be the same in that eventuality.

We'll have none of your reasonable assumptions Pete, we're doomed I tell you!

Now Vermis, about that Kool Aid you offered me earlier...

None of my local stores have restocked in months, aside from the new ET models.

A while back I bought a fantasy model (for conversion) and my story owner was genuinely surprised. "You actually play fantasy?"
The fantasy game is slowly dying, at least in the US and is on life support now.
I would have done market research to find out why people weren't buying, fix those problems and announce as publicly as I could that "we listened and here's the game you've always wanted!" Like Lego did.
But, GW being GW decided to just scrap everything and start again with no understanding of how or why.

 notprop wrote:
Cue Dallas shower do over in 3...2...1

So I'm not the only one who thinks Karl Franz is going walk out of the shower after having a weird dream.

 MWHistorian wrote:
A while back I bought a fantasy model (for conversion) and my story owner was genuinely surprised. "You actually play fantasy?"
The fantasy game is slowly dying, at least in the US and is on life support now.
I would have done market research to find out why people weren't buying, fix those problems and announce as publicly as I could that "we listened and here's the game you've always wanted!" Like Lego did.
But, GW being GW decided to just scrap everything and start again with no understanding of how or why.

On the plus side maybe that means people will be more willing to look at an alternative like Kings of War than dismiss it because it's not GW.

Man, I would love for Fantasy stuff to go discounted locally...

I play Fantasy, at this juncture, far far more than I do 40k.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

So I'm not the only one who thinks Karl Franz is going walk out of the shower after having a weird dream.

Karl Franz is too tame. It will definitely be Sigmar.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Man, I would love for Fantasy stuff to go discounted locally...

I play Fantasy, at this juncture, far far more than I do 40k.

Here you go, 57190 items found, go at it:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xwarhammer+fantasy.TRS0&_nkw=warhammer+fantasy&ghostText=&_sacat=0

Over here people have been trying to sell their armies for months and no one is picking them up. I sure am glad that I unloaded most of mine when 8th edition was released. I guess I'll keep my Dark Elves as a tribute to my younger self.