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Dont get me wrong, I love new releases, but do you think gw are pushing it too far?

Thoughts?

Why would new toys every week be a problem?

 chelsea_hollywood wrote:
Why would new toys every week be a problem?

GW might eventually stretch to far like I did when I started lotr. I tried buying every army and it didn't work. I do love new toys every week, but they'll run out of factorys to make these.

 Da Stormlord wrote:
I tried buying every army and it didn't work.

I dunno man. That seems more like a "you" problem than a "them" problem.

My issues with their release schedule is that they are still too secretive about it, like with the Skitarii. The book will come out in the last week 'cause Omnissiah-forbid we see the upcoming models before they're already out (and it tricks people into buying WD to get the rules). That sorta gak needs to stop, but weekly releases isn't a problem.

I agree that secrecy is the main issue. Most of us have limited budgets for toys, so if they advertised more than a week in advance about what was coming, then we'd be able to budget more effectively to buy more toys

I'm thinking there are a LOT of 40k things GW can (and will) make rules for before they run out of ideas. and if they run out? just re-boot the edition and start again

 chelsea_hollywood wrote:
I agree that secrecy is the main issue. Most of us have limited budgets for toys, so if they advertised more than a week in advance about what was coming, then we'd be able to budget more effectively to buy more toys

I'm thinking there are a LOT of 40k things GW can (and will) make rules for before they run out of ideas. and if they run out? just re-boot the edition and start again

I just got an email announcing the Skitarii models (my iPad keeps correcting "Skitarii" to "Akira" ???).

Whatever GW's release schedule is... I am not sure if either I or they have been "diculoused" at least once before <<snark>>. It is probably more ridiculous though.

MB

 chelsea_hollywood wrote:
Why would new toys every week be a problem?

Because it means sacrificing quality to maintain the rapid pace of new releases. I'd rather have new releases every month at most and have all of those releases be higher quality. But instead we get questionable models with zero-effort rules because nobody has enough time to do it right.

I don't think there's a problem with the rate of releases from GW, the problem is that they only have 2 games. If they had the same rate of releases but still were supporting specialist games it'd be fine.

I just get the feeling GW plc are getting desperate.
They have no idea who their customers are, (no proper market research.)
They just throw out as much stuff as they can and hope some one will buy it.

IF they were JUST selling to collectors , then no one would care.
But some of GW plcs customers pay a small fortune for rules and minatures to play a game with.
All the rushed releases do is risk completely messing up the little bit of functionality the game rules may have left.

I think gamer's make up far more of GW potential customer base than GW think.
(The impressive growth in games companies during GW fiscal decline seems to back this up.)

I do wish they still had a monthly release date. some months you'd get a little here or a little there. then BAM!!! NEW ARMY FINSHED.
It kinda ruins the fun when there's 2 troops choices one week, then an elites choice the next. followed by some HQ and then, oooh some tanks as well. then finally an army book comes out and you can actually see if anything is worth buying.

Man, GW can't win in this department.

Old release schedule, people complain about lack of content. New release schedule, too much content. I for one love the variety of stuff coming out. Noone is forcing you to buy every single thing they put out lol.

 Robisagg wrote:
Man, GW can't win in this department.

Old release schedule, people complain about lack of content. New release schedule, too much content. I for one love the variety of stuff coming out. Noone is forcing you to buy every single thing they put out lol.

But what I'm saying is they're stretching themselves to make more stuff and I think that makes them go into an even bigger hole money wise.

 Da Stormlord wrote:

 Robisagg wrote:
Man, GW can't win in this department.

Old release schedule, people complain about lack of content. New release schedule, too much content. I for one love the variety of stuff coming out. Noone is forcing you to buy every single thing they put out lol.

But what I'm saying is they're stretching themselves to make more stuff and I think that makes them go into an even bigger hole money wise.

Evidence? Perhaps GW has increased production capabilities. You can't use their previous release schedule to determine their optimum level of production.

 Peregrine wrote:
Because it means sacrificing quality to maintain the rapid pace of new releases.

[Citation Needed]

Does it? I mean, what difference does it make if they release 8 kits in 1 week and nothing for the other 3-4 weeks in a month or 2 kits a week across all 4-5 weeks of a month? 'Cause that's what they did before. Each month we'd get a stack of releases in one bundle. Now we get the same just spread over each week.

The only thing that appears to have sped up are their written releases.

 Da Stormlord wrote:

 chelsea_hollywood wrote:
Why would new toys every week be a problem?

GW might eventually stretch to far like I did when I started lotr. I tried buying every army and it didn't work. I do love new toys every week, but they'll run out of factorys to make these.

Lol... Running Out of factories... Just... Do you think pharmaindustries releasing to much medis Run out of Fabrics?
Hat Realy is he Last thing Going to happen

Only when half of it sells out immediately. Beyond that the secrecy and focus on impulse buying is pretty stupid. Impulse buys usually do not apply to expensive things.

A constant flow of new things keeps it interesting. I like the idea of the six monthly-ish boxed sets i sort of wish they'd go for more variety instead of Space Marines vs something but i think it's a good idea. They are working on armies and new ideas faster and that's a good thing. People don't like it when things get stale and updates are left on the shelf for years on end. I agree with some people that things do need to change on the whole secrecy of things. The internet now has changed the game and leaks happen months in advance anyway. I wish they'd fix WD and get rid of that crappy Visions book then just have WD monthly and include a section on things coming a month or two in advance that way people can more effectively plan for new releases and save for what they want.

In the end nobody is forcing you to buy everything that comes out at once it's just some people are so bored after collecting for years and building multiple armies that they'll grab everything as it comes out because they want something new to build and paint then complain that it's coming out so fast.

New models aren't the problem, it's the new rules. Bloat upon bloat upon bloat. But I guess it's all so broken at this point, what's a little more rubble on the pile really matter? But hey, all this stuff will be valid for a long time, right? It's not like the change editions every two years or blow up entire game worlds, right?

You thought waiting four or five years to get an update was a long time? How long do you think Militarum Tempestus or Harlequins or Clan Raukaan players are going to wait for their updates when 8th Edition drops?

 winterwind85 wrote:

 Da Stormlord wrote:

 chelsea_hollywood wrote:
Why would new toys every week be a problem?

GW might eventually stretch to far like I did when I started lotr. I tried buying every army and it didn't work. I do love new toys every week, but they'll run out of factorys to make these.

Lol... Running Out of factories... Just... Do you think pharmaindustries releasing to much medis Run out of Fabrics?
Hat Realy is he Last thing Going to happen

Considering that Tomb Blades were out of stock in the US for almost all of the past month, it is clear that GW is having some problems with producing and maintaining enough product.

I think it's easy to assume they're producing a lot more product, but I think a lot of it feels like an increase because of the switch from monthly to weekly releases.

We still, essentially, get one book and 5 or 6 new products each month, but it isn't all lumped into one week like it used to.

There has undoubtedly been an increase in the rate of product releases, but I suspect if one were to compare the number of new products released in the last 6 months with the same period 2 years ago, it wouldn't be as marked as one would think.

More new stuff is a good thing. I find it hard to see how it could be a problem for me

I think the models releases are great at a higher rate. It means more variety and more likelihood of models I like being made.

The rules thing is more troubling, for a company that claims it sells to collectors they seem keen to churn out rules willy-nilly with over priced books and a rash of DLC content. I don't buy into the game but I avoid companies doing that sort of thing.

 Peregrine wrote:


Because it means sacrificing quality to maintain the rapid pace of new releases..

Where has the quality been sacrificed? Legitimate question, as I've been following less. Everything I've seen lately from Harlequins to these Skittari look fantastic......

I think if one were to point the finger re: lack of quality one would look at the written material first.

Model aesthetics will always divide opinion to some degree or another, it is hard to argue that GW kits don't generally go together well, even if relatively simple (the new Ad Mech chicken has legs you can assemble in two poses! TWO!) But if you like your tabletop games to feature at least a modicum of player skill and decision making in determining the result, 40K is becoming less and less viable with each new release.

I think one thing worth keeping in mind is that GW tends to divide releases out over a longer period of time rather than releasing everything at once. Had they just released Dark Eldar for the first time at this point, you would have seen a week with warriors and a raider, then another with wyches and hellions, and so-on and so-on. I suppose that has an effect at diminishing build-up and excitement, but GW seems to think that the compulsive buying nature of its customers warrants this tactic. Judging by what I see from other 40k fans, this method does seem to be quite effective.

But other than that, I can't fault them for speeding up releases. I *do* have issues with them dividing rules content out in ways that divvy up the value and require players to purchase rules at incredibly marked-up prices, but that's a different issue. For releasing more stuff, I will certainly not fault them.

I can see how it can be hard for "gotta collect 'em all" types (I used to be one of those for 40k.) The main thing that's an actual issue is the weekly secrecy and the huge rate of DLC releases.

 Azazelx wrote:
I can see how it can be hard for "gotta collect 'em all" types (I used to be one of those for 40k.) The main thing that's an actual issue is the weekly secrecy and the huge rate of DLC releases.

Agreed, the compulsive habits for 40k fans are their own personal issues. However, the Apple-esque extreme secrecy over plastic miniatures and the DLC release style are legitimate problems.

Damn if they do damned if they don't, its not really a problem for me.

Robisagg wrote:Noone is forcing you to buy every single thing they put out lol.

Well, that's GW's sales problem in a nutshell, isn't it? Who's buying all this accelerated conveyer belt of stuff? Fewer people, that's who.

SpookyBoogie wrote:A constant flow of new things keeps it interesting.

Truly, the prophet Merrett spoke: the GW hobby is buying GW products.

the_Armyman wrote:New models aren't the problem, it's the new rules. Bloat upon bloat upon bloat. But I guess it's all so broken at this point, what's a little more rubble on the pile really matter? But hey, all this stuff will be valid for a long time, right? It's not like the change editions every two years or blow up entire game worlds, right?

 cincydooley wrote:
Where has the quality been sacrificed? Legitimate question, as I've been following less. Everything I've seen lately from Harlequins to these Skittari look fantastic......

SW flyers were a joke, the new IG stuff ranged from mediocre to "how the did that get approved", and even the new admech stuff is kind of underwhelming for an army that people have been anticipating for decades. They've had some decent infantry models to get excited about but overall quality has been inconsistent IMO. It really feels like they aren't spending enough time refining their designs and only releasing the best stuff.