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As the title says, out of the known leaked changes such as gargantuan wraithknights with stomps, D melee (with sword), and ranged D (36' ranged heavy wraithcannons which can fire each gun at a different target with two equipped), heavy support choices and can possibly be taken up to 6-8 in one list. (now also needs 6's to poison and cannot be killed by force/instant death - just deals d3 wounds)

or the 3 shots of str 6 Ap6 at 36' for all jetbikes at 27 points each.

or something else. Vote today!

Distortion weapons being D should be an option
the D scythe is going to be the weapon people fear above anything else

I'm glad that another "complain about Eldar" thread was created. We don't have enough of them on the forum, yet.

All of the above?

A few changes I think were good. I don't mind the changes to Banshees. The Wave Serpent has been made reasonable. Crimson Hunters look more useful. Stuff like that is fine.

Formations giving BS5 to Aspect Warriors, Fire Dragons getting effectively "AP0", Distort weapons becoming Destroyer weapons, and the Jetbikes are all just unnecessary and hardly balanced.

As an Eldar player since 2008, I was really looking forward to being able to play my Eldar without people complaining. That is NOT gonna happen now.

I started Eldar to play a Jetbike army. Now I might not be able to get in games because of this OVER REACTION to the codex. Is the codex overpowered? Unfortunately, yes. But I personally don't spam Jetbikes (and will only play with scatterlasers on less that half my bikes) and I don't own any Wraithguard.

Even if I tone down my lists, people will roll their eyes when I ask for a game. Until the dust settles, I may have to use the 6th ed codex, with the 7th ed Serpents rules (of which I am happy to do, but should not have to).

It just ticks me off that I have played Eldar for longer than they have been "good" and I DO NOT spam anything (2 Serpents max, 2-3 bike units no bigger than 6 models, etc) but because EVERYONE is losing their minds about this codex, I may not get the play my favorite army as often as I want.

That I need 30 Guardians or 15 (realistic expectations here) bikes for the Decurion style. And I read something on there not being Pathfinders now? That would upset me greatly. Precision Shots were what made my list fun and I really enjoyed the Snipers...

The increased whining about how OP Eldar are is the most annoying at this juncture.

GW has established that they are more focused on money than a quality game anymore. Collective bargaining is not an option against something like this. (Let's face it, this is hardly the worst thing they've done in the last three years.)

So it's time to fish or cut bait. We either need to put in our big kid pants and deal with it, or vote with our wallets and stop playing 40k. I am happy to try to figure out how to overcome the new challenges.

All that being said, I use Eldar allies to support my DE, so my incredibly vitriolic and snarky opinion is fairly biased.

Oh yes. Another thread fruitlessly complaining about Eldar. Truly the eight threads before this were simply not enough!

In all honesty, your poll is misleading. There should be "All of the above", "None of the above" and "Some of the above" options.

I don't mind any of the rules or D Weapon. I do mind the ridiculous point cost they are coming with. Sure you want Eldar to feel all mighty powerful... since well they are. But you might want to make them very elite in this case with far less models than any other faction because of a higher pts cost per model to make it fair.

All of the above.

What makes me sad is that GW hurts everyone when they produce such horribly broken rules. Hurts the Eldar players as it "invalidates" their wins (if they can even get a game) and it hurts the non Eldar players who want a fair and fun fight. Nobody wants to be the "creeps" in a PvE game and that's what many armies are going to be relegated to unless the Eldar player handicaps themselves. It's not fair to the players of weaker armies and it's not fair to the Eldar players who would need to limit themselves to create a more even playing field.

The amount of 'omg Eldar too stronk' threads.

I don't recall any one faction getting this much attention when the Codex dropped.

I don't mind any of the changes. They are still squishy stuff.

Im more pissed that the Eldar are getting ANOTHER Dex so damn soon..... I dont want all this nonsense to be fluttering around and disrupting my investments on this hobby, nor do I want to play an army that is simply auto win for what everyone will surely think as "FOTM"

Eldar seem to have a golden stick up their arse in terms of Codex Writers and I would love to meet them and their play testers....

Ahh yes. There is a part of me that feels bad for the Eldar players that don't spam gak. However, I love knowing that there are others that are going to make the rest of the Eldar players be just as miserable as the rest of us. Welcome to world where you might have to brings something crappy so that the dwindling number of people who are willing to play you doesn't dissipate even faster.

I am also glad my army is up on ebay. Peace out and good riddens to this dumb game. CSM has been broken since it came out, DA too, GK got super nerfed, Orks wait for years and still suck, but Eldar, arguably the best RAW book out there, gets buffs. Ludicrous buffs I might add.

Check my profile for the ebay link, large CSM Army, magnetized options, commission painted.

I'm a bit surprised that "everything having D weapons" isn't an option in that poll, that's the main thing I'm a bit puzzled about.

All of the above would confuse the point as that is too easy. people need to settle on one thing they really hate.

As to the other Eldar bash threads and the number of threads, it's directly related to the imbalance now on the scene.

As to gw selling models rather than rules, it's kind of fallacy as we all know that rules sell models. There are certainly folks that buy power. Heck, we have a whole tactics thread dedicated to convincing folks of what units are good to buy if you want to beat X unit.

The D weaponry on Wraithguards. Jetbikes, Wraithguard, super aspects, all a bit acceptable. But D weaponry on measly wraithguards?

The D. I don't think they should really be on anything short of a superheavy or terrain.

 Galef wrote:
As an Eldar player since 2008, I was really looking forward to being able to play my Eldar without people complaining. That is NOT gonna happen now.

I started Eldar to play a Jetbike army. Now I might not be able to get in games because of this OVER REACTION to the codex. Is the codex overpowered? Unfortunately, yes. But I personally don't spam Jetbikes (and will only play with scatterlasers on less that half my bikes) and I don't own any Wraithguard.

Even if I tone down my lists, people will roll their eyes when I ask for a game. Until the dust settles, I may have to use the 6th ed codex, with the 7th ed Serpents rules (of which I am happy to do, but should not have to).

It just ticks me off that I have played Eldar for longer than they have been "good" and I DO NOT spam anything (2 Serpents max, 2-3 bike units no bigger than 6 models, etc) but because EVERYONE is losing their minds about this codex, I may not get the play my favorite army as often as I want.

You haven't played Eldar for longer than they've been "good". Eldar have been good forever minus 5th.

None of the above is tied with wraithknights, haha

Me: none of the above. I'm not even entirely convinced that New Eldar are more powerful than Old Eldar due to the force org changes (moving WK to LoW from Heavy as a nerf to CAD, and 3 Wraithguard units requirement in war host). I guess the Jetbike thing "bothers" me the most, but not to the point of being upsetting, at least not until I've played some games against it.

The endless bitching bothers me far more than any rules change.

Show me on the dolly where the eldar touched you.

Distortion weapons being made strength "D". As if Leman Russes weren't fragile enough as they were.

 morganfreeman wrote:

 Galef wrote:
As an Eldar player since 2008, I was really looking forward to being able to play my Eldar without people complaining. That is NOT gonna happen now.

I started Eldar to play a Jetbike army. Now I might not be able to get in games because of this OVER REACTION to the codex. Is the codex overpowered? Unfortunately, yes. But I personally don't spam Jetbikes (and will only play with scatterlasers on less that half my bikes) and I don't own any Wraithguard.

Even if I tone down my lists, people will roll their eyes when I ask for a game. Until the dust settles, I may have to use the 6th ed codex, with the 7th ed Serpents rules (of which I am happy to do, but should not have to).

It just ticks me off that I have played Eldar for longer than they have been "good" and I DO NOT spam anything (2 Serpents max, 2-3 bike units no bigger than 6 models, etc) but because EVERYONE is losing their minds about this codex, I may not get the play my favorite army as often as I want.

You haven't played Eldar for longer than they've been "good". Eldar have been good forever minus 5th.

Since I started playing them at the end of 4th ed and didn't have a solid grasp on the 40K main rules/tactics until 5th ed, my point stands: When I started playing Eldar, I did so for the LOVE of the army, not because they were "good". Heck, for almost all of 5th ed, I used Vypers because I play Saim-Hann. Vypers were (and have been) considered as sub-par unit.

I play units because I like them and it is not my fault (as an Eldar player) that the units I like became broken. If you HATE playing my army so much, just sit down and have a pre-game discussion with me and we can come up with a list that BOTH of us can agree is fun to play.

It is GW's fault for handing the players to "tools" to break the game, but only the players decide to abuse them. I am NOT one of those players and it is not fair to be judged as one.

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Have an exalt this is my attitude.

Galef, that sounds very reasonable to me.

Reading these forums you'd think most of us were sociopaths with glowing red eyes diabolically plotting to make sure our opponents are humiliated to the maximum extent possible. Or little bunny rabbits waiting to be eaten.

Another "Lets freak out over Eldar" thread, seriously people need to calm down and stop complaining and overreacting.

I'll stop complaining when the BA have a chance against the Eldar. Or the DA for that matter.

 Talys wrote:
Galef, that sounds very reasonable to me.

Reading these forums you'd think most of us were sociopaths with glowing red eyes diabolically plotting to make sure our opponents are humiliated to the maximum extent possible. Or little bunny rabbits waiting to be eaten.

I think it's part of the "other" mentality and the fact that no has seen how scatbikes will actually work and are freaking over the mathhammer.

Martel732 wrote:
I'll stop complaining when the BA have a chance against the Eldar. Or the DA for that matter.

Eldar are not invincible and a BA Drop Pod army could do some nasty stuff against a Jetbike list if played correctly. And DA are going to be redone as well so who knows, they may be even cheesier since they are "mighty Space Marines"

 gmaleron wrote:
Another "Lets freak out over Eldar" thread, seriously people need to calm down and stop complaining and overreacting.

Just don't read the bloody Eldar threads if it annoys you so much. Do people not think that the amount people are 'freaking out' might actually be quite telling?